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On November 04 2010 08:10 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2010 08:05 TieN.nS) wrote:
Hm, you can actually smite a level 1 blue at <550 hp for the last hit. Regarding skill order though, is there a reason to take W first rather than Q (since I've always started with Q)? Opening long sword the two seem to clear blue at the same speed, but I think with a cloth armor opening Q would be faster. Does it keep your hp higher, or is it more useful in a level 1 fight? I actually don't remember the exact amount Smite does at level 1 on SR. So if someone can test it or tell me with 100% certainty, I'd appreciate it. But the idea is that you want to Smite as soon as the Golem drops below the Smite damage barrier. The last thing you want is to have the enemy counter-jungler (most commonly an Eve running Smite) stealing your Golem buff because you were too slow at last hitting with Smite. As for Long Sword, during the beta, I tested it out and found with Long Sword, you end up with slightly more HP for some reason at the end and you obviously kill things faster. Killing minions faster = less damage you take, etc. It could be all in my head but it's just a matter of playstyle. No one is going to say one WW is worse than the other based on if they open Cloth or Sword.
The spell does 425+25xLevel but all neutral minions have negative MR so they take more damage than that. I dont know the exact number.
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On November 04 2010 10:40 TieN.nS) wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2010 10:16 Scamp wrote:On November 04 2010 08:16 TieN.nS) wrote:
Getting Wriggle's sounds bad on Warwick, it's not like he ever needs any extra lifesteal since he has it from his passive and his Q. Faster BR means faster Baron control too. You're pretty effective at Baron with just a wriggles and a recurve bow, which is cheaper than a BR so you can easily get it by 15 minutes. If your team goes for Baron anytime after 20 then you should probably have both by then. You don't NEED extra lifesteal but having more isn't a bad thing, especially early. You also get attack damage, armor, and a ward every three minutes. Try it out. I think it's a good investment for early game. And if the game drags on you can always sell it if you need the slot for more defense. Wriggle's with Recurve is the same thing as Madred's Razors with Recurve. If you don't need the lifesteal then it's not worth spending the money on the Vamp Scepter, so you're just needlessly delaying your BR.
Wriggle's with Recurve is not the same thing as Razors with Recurve, just very similar. You do get a higher chance to proc, a more damaging proc when you do proc, extra lifesteal and a ward. It all makes a difference.
You make it sound like BR is the be-all-end-all item for WW. The fact is that while it's probably the most popular item on him it is not a necessity and effective builds will vary based on your team and the opponent's team. Maybe getting BR is not as important as building up defense first.
What is the extra lifesteal good for? It helps keep you around for longer so you're free to gank more, push lanes, what have you. Maybe your team is in need of help more often than usual and when you do help you tend to take damage. Maybe the other team is counter-jungling more often than you'd like and you want to keep your health as close to maximum as possible.
It really seems to me like you're just dismissing my ideas without considering all the possibilities.
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amumu does 630 with smite because of his MR reduc
but everyone does 547 exactly
Also at level 3, your smite does 609 on the lizard.
Very good practice if u keep smiting like this, because its hard to tell where the enemy jungler is even if they have no cs. Lizard? Blue? trying to gank you? Trying to smite steal?
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On November 04 2010 11:53 Scamp wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2010 10:40 TieN.nS) wrote:On November 04 2010 10:16 Scamp wrote:On November 04 2010 08:16 TieN.nS) wrote:
Getting Wriggle's sounds bad on Warwick, it's not like he ever needs any extra lifesteal since he has it from his passive and his Q. Faster BR means faster Baron control too. You're pretty effective at Baron with just a wriggles and a recurve bow, which is cheaper than a BR so you can easily get it by 15 minutes. If your team goes for Baron anytime after 20 then you should probably have both by then. You don't NEED extra lifesteal but having more isn't a bad thing, especially early. You also get attack damage, armor, and a ward every three minutes. Try it out. I think it's a good investment for early game. And if the game drags on you can always sell it if you need the slot for more defense. Wriggle's with Recurve is the same thing as Madred's Razors with Recurve. If you don't need the lifesteal then it's not worth spending the money on the Vamp Scepter, so you're just needlessly delaying your BR. Wriggle's with Recurve is not the same thing as Razors with Recurve, just very similar. You do get a higher chance to proc, a more damaging proc when you do proc, extra lifesteal and a ward. It all makes a difference. You make it sound like BR is the be-all-end-all item for WW. The fact is that while it's probably the most popular item on him it is not a necessity and effective builds will vary based on your team and the opponent's team. Maybe getting BR is not as important as building up defense first. What is the extra lifesteal good for? It helps keep you around for longer so you're free to gank more, push lanes, what have you. Maybe your team is in need of help more often than usual and when you do help you tend to take damage. Maybe the other team is counter-jungling more often than you'd like and you want to keep your health as close to maximum as possible. It really seems to me like you're just dismissing my ideas without considering all the possibilities.
Well, I haven't tried it and don't plan on doing so to be honest. The only reason to build Wriggle's Lantern is if you need it to jungle, and Warwick certainly doesn't. The extra lifesteal isn't needed because barring the very first jungle camp, he never ever gets low while jungling. BR IS a big deal on Warwick because of how well it synergizes with his abilities in addition to how much jungle control it gives you. Sure, you might need to consider building tank items before BR, but in those same situations a Wriggle's Lantern doesn't help you out in any way and only delays your big damage item. Also, Wriggle's Lantern has a higher proc rate (20% as compared to 15% on Razors) but the proc effect is the same.
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I've just started to play Warwick and I don't quite understand his role. Is he supposed to be a physical carry/dps? Why is building survivability better than building dps items? I thought Warwick was supposed to kill enemy champs?
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WW ults the enemy team's carry. During that suppression either the enemy team is attacking WW to save their carry, or continuing to fight the enemy team without their carry. If the enemy team attacks WW after he ults the carry, he needs to survive long enough so WW's team can attack the enemy team while their carry is disabled.
That's his role... I think?
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Try not to think in such simple terms when defining a character's role. It really depends on your team and your opponent's team.
The reason WW doesn't want to build multiple DPS is because usually bloodrazor is all the damage you need and building up survivability helps him way more because he is very good at chasing and dealing constant damage. Building him tanky after BR lets him do just that. If you build DPS items then he kills opponents faster but if the other team ever decides to focus him then he'll die really fast.
Now there will be times where you're going to want the extra DPS over survivability, but usually you're better off with the defense.
WW wants to control the jungle and is a very good ganker. In teamfights you tend to take on more of an assassin role, but be ready to be flexible. The OP mentions ulting into teamfights on the opposing carry, but also only to ult if you think you'll get a kill. This is generally good advice. I think the most ideal situation for WW is to run (and not ult) into a teamfight, do your damage, and use your ult to kill someone fleeing or to stop an important ability on the opposing team.
Oh, and WW is NOT an initiator. (Unless you catch someone way out of position.)
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On November 04 2010 13:07 CosmicAC wrote:
I've just started to play Warwick and I don't quite understand his role. Is he supposed to be a physical carry/dps? Why is building survivability better than building dps items? I thought Warwick was supposed to kill enemy champs?
His role is to control the jungle and create favorable situations for the rest of his team while doing so. The reason he only needs a BR to do a ton of damage is because his Q does % health, and each hit of his ult applies on-hit effects. You build him tanky so that he can survive being in fights; as a squishy melee character he'd just get focused down otherwise. Of course he's "supposed" to kill enemy champs, but the strength is that he doesn't need damage items in order to do so. Between his suppression ult and blood scent, it's very difficult to get away from a Warwick gank.
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Newbie question: is there a reason why WW should build Berserker's Greaves over Sorcerer's Boots for magic pen?
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The correct answer to noobie question was C. Mercury Treads. IF you are looking for more damage from your boots for some reason zerk greaves would net you more damage than sorc boots.
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Considering BR's HP% Damage is Magic based (as it says in its description) I would assum that more MPen = More full % dealt while more MRes = Less of the full % dealt
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sorc affects BR but who would get it, it helps 0 for farming, and you wnot even have BR at that point
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lol all you do as ww is when their dps carry starts shooting, ult and smack the fuck outa the carry.
BR -> the tanky items you think u will need
Spirit visage always nice
radiuns , thornmails, banshee , wits end
all situational
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Rushing bloodrazors is pretty risky. Even though he should get it relatively early, his ulti will draw him a lot of focus, so it's usually good to get some survivability before finishing BR. Of course, if you have a good gold advantage from being successful at ganking and dragon control, you can rush BR no problem.
In my last WW game, I was able to get 15 minute BR, but that was aided by 2-0-2 and being able to farm the solo lane after top went B. This won't happen with better players.
EDIT: Also, is Spirit Visage really that good on him? I was never impressed by it, always preferred Negatron cloak to it, since Veil is boss and CDR on a 75 sec ulti doesn't seem to be a great deal.
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Most guides are based on optimal conditions. If the enemy doesn't sit on your Golem at level 1, you able to successfully gank, etc.
Obviously if the enemy team is forcing team fights sooner rather than later, you would do better to build survivability before completing your Bloodrazor.
Adapting is good.
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Wit's End is niche, Visage isn't imo. A Banshee does everything Visage does, but better. WW doesn't really need that CDR. The boosted heal on Q isn't much to brag about either.
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On November 04 2010 18:48 NeoIllusions wrote:
Wit's End is niche, Visage isn't imo. A Banshee does everything Visage does, but better. WW doesn't really need that CDR. The boosted heal on Q isn't much to brag about either.
but it boosts his passive leech too :D spirit visage rox
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On November 04 2010 19:46 HeavOnEarth wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2010 18:48 NeoIllusions wrote:
Wit's End is niche, Visage isn't imo. A Banshee does everything Visage does, but better. WW doesn't really need that CDR. The boosted heal on Q isn't much to brag about either. but it boosts his passive leech too :D spirit visage rox
Haha, you lub leech.
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On November 04 2010 20:06 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2010 19:46 HeavOnEarth wrote:On November 04 2010 18:48 NeoIllusions wrote:
Wit's End is niche, Visage isn't imo. A Banshee does everything Visage does, but better. WW doesn't really need that CDR. The boosted heal on Q isn't much to brag about either. but it boosts his passive leech too :D spirit visage rox Haha, you lub leech.
Spirit Visage: only use in office romance.
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