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Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-08 16:11:46
April 08 2011 15:46 GMT
#301
I dunno man, it will be a little painful but really not that bad compared to the really fucked up lanes that vlad can get. Like, I get that there are some last hits I won't be able to get, and I'm willing to concede those, but if you just stand behind my ranged minions I have nothing to do anyways so I'm going to start poking at you with E + Q + autoattacks until you back off and heal off creeps =/

I'm definitely willing to play this lane out vs you though, see how it goes. If warwick was a manaless hero, I'd say he wins this lane hands down... but he does have to manage his mana so :X
dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
April 08 2011 16:21 GMT
#302
If you time it correctly, during the delay after Vlad's autoattack animation, WW can sneak a Q in before he can back off. It's harder to do if he animation cancels correctly, but I've managed to do it pretty consistently.
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
April 08 2011 16:26 GMT
#303
Well you probably wouldn't autoattack warwick when he's not trying to last-hit
Fawkes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada1935 Posts
April 08 2011 16:37 GMT
#304
Between dring, utility talents and mp5plvl seals, I haven't noticed an extreme lack of mana. It certainly it is a problem especially around 6 when you want to gank, but as long as you don't spend W recklessly before then. And don't Q on CD (just do it enough early times levels to scare the shit out of the other dude).

Although I do buy myself two mana pots on my first trip back...which does not happen till 7 usually...
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Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-08 17:08:07
April 08 2011 17:03 GMT
#305
My ww spec is 20mp5 at level 1, which is plenty in a normal setting. However, if your goal is to zone them out completely then it only works if they're playing dumb and being scared of you and letting you win your lane through sporadic Q's.

However, if you meet some dickhead who brings to lane several potions and is actively trying to bottleneck your mana early on by chugging the potions early then you might be in trouble. Laning becomes way harder because once you run oom because the cooldown on your Q effectively becomes ~15 seconds because that's how long it takes for you to regen that amount of mana from scratch.



I probably don't respect warwick as much as I should, but I just don't see how he can get around so many of his problems.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
May 19 2011 05:58 GMT
#306
flash better than ghost, thoughts?
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
May 19 2011 07:44 GMT
#307
on junglewick i run smite/flash now
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Synystyr
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1446 Posts
May 19 2011 13:25 GMT
#308
On May 19 2011 14:58 zulu_nation8 wrote:
flash better than ghost, thoughts?


Flash is always better. If you need the speed, Blood Scent is often available. Flash is better for ganks out of the jungle and offers more ways to escape. Ghost is redundant
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
May 19 2011 15:24 GMT
#309
flash ignite. if I wanted to jungle at high hp, I'd pick Nocturne or Xin.

lanewick with double philostone is HILARIOUS btw. He makes hextech Vlad's sustainability look like a joke.
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
May 19 2011 16:41 GMT
#310
I completely disagree with flash ignite, even though you don't need smite to finish your route at any point, warwick is a control jungler and really lacks in that area (buff steals, dragon fights, barons) without smite.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
May 19 2011 16:42 GMT
#311
Unless you were talking about lanewick in which case obviously ignite better lol
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-19 16:43:22
May 19 2011 16:42 GMT
#312
I'm saying that I never want to jungle with WW atm because I view nocturne and Xin as better versions of him.

EDIT: Flash Ignite was me saying that I only want to lane with WW atm.
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
May 19 2011 17:34 GMT
#313
I still think he's solid enough to warrant a pick over both of those champs simply because his mid lane ganks are so strong with any sort of targeted stun. Obviously he's not as good at certain things as Xin or Nocturne but I still don't necessarily think he's "worse".

Probably because I just won a bunch of ranked games with him oldschool style but yeah .
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
May 19 2011 17:40 GMT
#314
Xin and Nocturne have better anti-carry base damage and damage scaling and gank way harder without their ults (and Noct's ult gank is at least as strong as WW's IMO). *shrugs* just don't like WW unless I get to boss around a bruiser/tank in lane with my Q.
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Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
June 07 2011 14:18 GMT
#315

Q resets autoattacks? Wow I never knew that. I feels stupid now.
Awesomo
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands206 Posts
June 07 2011 14:20 GMT
#316
yeah, but the q animation is pretty long so it won't matter too much anyway.
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r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-07 15:08:52
June 07 2011 15:07 GMT
#317
On May 20 2011 00:24 Mogwai wrote:
flash ignite. if I wanted to jungle at high hp, I'd pick Nocturne or Xin.

lanewick with double philostone is HILARIOUS btw. He makes hextech Vlad's sustainability look like a joke.


I'm in love with chalice on WW vs any kind of AP lane. Never oom = never out of health anyway. Why would you get philos if for WW the bottleneck is almost always his mana, but never his health? (Yeah, I know, you luv dem philos. =P)


On Oddones WW guide: I think he fucked up his runes by accident.

Oddone usually wants 24 ArPen total since that is how much you need to do full damage to buffs and have the strongest possible game after early jungling cause you do nice damage to champs.

His WW setup (including masteries) shows 26 ArPen for some reason. Also WW needs less than a full armor page to get full sustainability which means full Armor Yellows bad imho.

The setup I'm using which I'd say is a little better (wtb input from 5H1T on this one prolly):

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Obviously the last Quint can be anything besides Movespeed too, I just find it the best choice for that slot on WW.

To compare direclty:
Oddone runs 20 ArPen / 11% AS / 13 Armor
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Shawngood
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany473 Posts
June 07 2011 15:08 GMT
#318
In regard to TheOddOne's WW guide: I just don't agree with his masteries and Ghost as summoner. The reasoning for both doesn't seem to make sense to me at all. Also AS-glyphs are horrible IMO.
@ESL_Shawn
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
June 07 2011 16:24 GMT
#319
TOO plays differently, unless you're trying to imitate his playstyle you're not gonna get why he does what he does. For example:

On June 08 2011 00:07 r.Evo wrote:WW needs less than a full armor page to get full sustainability


He doesn't give a shit about "full sustainability" nor does he care about pure speed (in which you'd just run ~18arp ~18% aspd or some similar variation).
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Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-07 16:41:29
June 07 2011 16:41 GMT
#320
I think I just did mass flat AD runes, a sliver of armor pen, with some other stuff thrown in there, since his ulti scales somewhat with flat AD but does magic damage. Oh and 21/0/9 masteries.
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