I dunno man, it will be a little painful but really not that bad compared to the really fucked up lanes that vlad can get. Like, I get that there are some last hits I won't be able to get, and I'm willing to concede those, but if you just stand behind my ranged minions I have nothing to do anyways so I'm going to start poking at you with E + Q + autoattacks until you back off and heal off creeps =/

I'm definitely willing to play this lane out vs you though, see how it goes. If warwick was a manaless hero, I'd say he wins this lane hands down... but he does have to manage his mana so :X

dnastyx

United States2707 Posts

April 08 2011 16:21 GMT

#302

If you time it correctly, during the delay after Vlad's autoattack animation, WW can sneak a Q in before he can back off. It's harder to do if he animation cancels correctly, but I've managed to do it pretty consistently.

Juicyfruit

Canada5484 Posts

April 08 2011 16:26 GMT

#303

Well you probably wouldn't autoattack warwick when he's not trying to last-hit

Fawkes

Canada1935 Posts

April 08 2011 16:37 GMT

#304

Between dring, utility talents and mp5plvl seals, I haven't noticed an extreme lack of mana. It certainly it is a problem especially around 6 when you want to gank, but as long as you don't spend W recklessly before then. And don't Q on CD (just do it enough early times levels to scare the shit out of the other dude).

Although I do buy myself two mana pots on my first trip back...which does not happen till 7 usually...

Juicyfruit

Canada5484 Posts

April 08 2011 17:03 GMT

#305

My ww spec is 20mp5 at level 1, which is plenty in a normal setting. However, if your goal is to zone them out completely then it only works if they're playing dumb and being scared of you and letting you win your lane through sporadic Q's.

However, if you meet some dickhead who brings to lane several potions and is actively trying to bottleneck your mana early on by chugging the potions early then you might be in trouble. Laning becomes way harder because once you run oom because the cooldown on your Q effectively becomes ~15 seconds because that's how long it takes for you to regen that amount of mana from scratch.

I probably don't respect warwick as much as I should, but I just don't see how he can get around so many of his problems.

zulu_nation8

China26351 Posts

May 19 2011 05:58 GMT

#306

flash better than ghost, thoughts?

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

May 19 2011 07:44 GMT

#307

on junglewick i run smite/flash now

Synystyr

United States1446 Posts

May 19 2011 13:25 GMT

#308

On May 19 2011 14:58 zulu_nation8 wrote:
flash better than ghost, thoughts?

Flash is always better. If you need the speed, Blood Scent is often available. Flash is better for ganks out of the jungle and offers more ways to escape. Ghost is redundant

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

May 19 2011 15:24 GMT

#309

flash ignite. if I wanted to jungle at high hp, I'd pick Nocturne or Xin.

lanewick with double philostone is HILARIOUS btw. He makes hextech Vlad's sustainability look like a joke.

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

May 19 2011 16:41 GMT

#310

I completely disagree with flash ignite, even though you don't need smite to finish your route at any point, warwick is a control jungler and really lacks in that area (buff steals, dragon fights, barons) without smite.

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

May 19 2011 16:42 GMT

#311

Unless you were talking about lanewick in which case obviously ignite better lol

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

May 19 2011 16:42 GMT

#312

I'm saying that I never want to jungle with WW atm because I view nocturne and Xin as better versions of him.

EDIT: Flash Ignite was me saying that I only want to lane with WW atm.

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

May 19 2011 17:34 GMT

#313

I still think he's solid enough to warrant a pick over both of those champs simply because his mid lane ganks are so strong with any sort of targeted stun. Obviously he's not as good at certain things as Xin or Nocturne but I still don't necessarily think he's "worse".

Probably because I just won a bunch of ranked games with him oldschool style but yeah

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

May 19 2011 17:40 GMT

#314

Xin and Nocturne have better anti-carry base damage and damage scaling and gank way harder without their ults (and Noct's ult gank is at least as strong as WW's IMO). *shrugs* just don't like WW unless I get to boss around a bruiser/tank in lane with my Q.

Woony

Germany6657 Posts

June 07 2011 14:18 GMT

#315

Q resets autoattacks? Wow I never knew that. I feels stupid now.

Awesomo

Netherlands206 Posts

June 07 2011 14:20 GMT

#316

yeah, but the q animation is pretty long so it won't matter too much anyway.

r.Evo

Germany14080 Posts

June 07 2011 15:07 GMT

#317

On May 20 2011 00:24 Mogwai wrote:
flash ignite. if I wanted to jungle at high hp, I'd pick Nocturne or Xin.

lanewick with double philostone is HILARIOUS btw. He makes hextech Vlad's sustainability look like a joke.

I'm in love with chalice on WW vs any kind of AP lane. Never oom = never out of health anyway. Why would you get philos if for WW the bottleneck is almost always his mana, but never his health? (Yeah, I know, you luv dem philos. =P)

On Oddones WW guide: I think he fucked up his runes by accident.

Oddone usually wants 24 ArPen total since that is how much you need to do full damage to buffs and have the strongest possible game after early jungling cause you do nice damage to champs.

His WW setup (including masteries) shows 26 ArPen for some reason. Also WW needs less than a full armor page to get full sustainability which means full Armor Yellows bad imho.

The setup I'm using which I'd say is a little better (wtb input from 5H1T on this one prolly):

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Obviously the last Quint can be anything besides Movespeed too, I just find it the best choice for that slot on WW.

To compare direclty:
Oddone runs 20 ArPen / 11% AS / 13 Armor

Shawngood

Germany473 Posts

June 07 2011 15:08 GMT

#318

In regard to TheOddOne's WW guide: I just don't agree with his masteries and Ghost as summoner. The reasoning for both doesn't seem to make sense to me at all. Also AS-glyphs are horrible IMO.

Southlight

United States11767 Posts

June 07 2011 16:24 GMT

#319

TOO plays differently, unless you're trying to imitate his playstyle you're not gonna get why he does what he does. For example:

On June 08 2011 00:07 r.Evo wrote:WW needs less than a full armor page to get full sustainability

He doesn't give a shit about "full sustainability" nor does he care about pure speed (in which you'd just run ~18arp ~18% aspd or some similar variation).

Juicyfruit

Canada5484 Posts

June 07 2011 16:41 GMT

#320

I think I just did mass flat AD runes, a sliver of armor pen, with some other stuff thrown in there, since his ulti scales somewhat with flat AD but does magic damage. Oh and 21/0/9 masteries.