EPTsecond of all how does anyone die at blue as WARWICK? i usually don't even use my pot at blue...
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
second of all how does anyone die at blue as WARWICK? i usually don't even use my pot at blue... | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 30 2011 13:29 gtrsrs wrote: first of all what is the leash trick? second of all how does anyone die at blue as WARWICK? i usually don't even use my pot at blue... Leash trick = a ranged champ makes the first auto-attack on golem before going to lane. Because of the way neutral minions now acquire targets, Golem will chase that target to the edge of it's leash range before tagging back to you (instead of regenerating all its HP and resetting)--this gives you basically a couple free autoattacks to build up Thirst stacks, plus a free Hungering Strike. The laner gets to lane a tiny bit later (before the minions even come close to killing one another), and takes basically no damage (a hit or two from the small lizards regens before they even get back to lane), while letting you finish Golem at noticeably higher HP than you otherwise would. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
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Khul Sadukar
Australia1735 Posts
On January 30 2011 13:29 gtrsrs wrote: first of all what is the leash trick? second of all how does anyone die at blue as WARWICK? i usually don't even use my pot at blue... What is ur build? I always drop down to 100 health doing lvl 1 golem. All it takes is a miss/dodge lag and miss a hunger etc to die. Armour yellows are essential now. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
No idea how it goes with Longsword. | ||
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Khul Sadukar
Australia1735 Posts
Against smart teams wraith jack is also dangerous. I ran into a shaco who was starting there lol. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 31 2011 08:55 Khul Sadukar wrote: Ok I go longsword. Its fine if I dont lag but the servers have been shit the last 2 weeks. Against smart teams wraith jack is also dangerous. I ran into a shaco who was starting there lol. Regi Shaco path smites big wraith at the start--that's not anything particularly out of the ordinary. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On January 31 2011 07:35 Khul Sadukar wrote: What is ur build? I always drop down to 100 health doing lvl 1 golem. All it takes is a miss/dodge lag and miss a hunger etc to die. Armour yellows are essential now. 1 hp quint 2 ms quint mpen red ar/level yellow mr/level yellow 0/21/9 or 1/14/15 depending on their comp longsword + 1 pot first Q first | ||
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Khul Sadukar
Australia1735 Posts
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Tendresse
Canada2 Posts
To whomever was asking the setup for level 1 blue buff : I have ~60% HP with the following setup : ArmPen Red AS Yellow AS Blue 2x MS Quint 1x HP Quint 11/0/19 - 2% CS, Improved Smite, Improved AS, Improved ArmPen And the usual stuff in the utility tree. After reading this thread, I've come to realize that this might be suboptimal in higher ELO games, but it works just fine in normal games, and will get you through jungle like a breeze. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
On January 31 2011 08:55 Khul Sadukar wrote: Ok I go longsword. Its fine if I dont lag but the servers have been shit the last 2 weeks. Against smart teams wraith jack is also dangerous. I ran into a shaco who was starting there lol. Try twin golems jack. If you want to jungle you have to be familiar with one champ, but if you want to counterjungle you have to be familiar with ALL of them. At least, with the common jungle paths of all the common junglers. There's always some element of risk when counterjungling, which is part of what makes it so exciting. But rarely will the enemy team be in a position to catch you at twingolems. Especially against junglers that start at blue. For extra fun, go enemy twingols -> enemy wraiths if you're fast enough. Just practice a lot and learn your limits. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On February 12 2011 04:37 Tooplark wrote: Try twin golems jack. If you want to jungle you have to be familiar with one champ, but if you want to counterjungle you have to be familiar with ALL of them. At least, with the common jungle paths of all the common junglers. There's always some element of risk when counterjungling, which is part of what makes it so exciting. But rarely will the enemy team be in a position to catch you at twingolems. Especially against junglers that start at blue. For extra fun, go enemy twingols -> enemy wraiths if you're fast enough. Just practice a lot and learn your limits. If Shaco is smiting the big wraith and doing Regi's route, he will probably have smallgols boxed--which could potentially lead to you getting caught (and if his team is listening to him, they will be probably be protecting the boxes at red/lizard). | ||
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ArC_man
United States2798 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On February 12 2011 06:20 ArC_man wrote: I'm pretty sure twin golems will have respawned by the time the enemy jungler reaches them (if he does the blue, wolves, wraiths, red, twin route). Depending on the jungler, going blue->smallgol jack->gank at red is possible. And if you pull it off it absolutely wrecks them. | ||
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ArC_man
United States2798 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23442 Posts
I was thinking of like, opening shatter on taric and smal gol jack or wraith jack if you're blue but I haven't tested it yet. Even just getting small golems gets you to lane at level 2 before they are with shatter and dazzle. Might take too long without smite though, maybe have to open cloth+5 or boots +3 as well. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On February 12 2011 07:00 ArC_man wrote: Ahhh, I was talking about starting at their twin golems, but your route sounds like an interesting strategy. Who do you think it would work best against? Also, do you hit level 3 from blue->twin golem (I think maybe you might have to kill the big wolf first)? I've seen Dan Dinh do it without doing the big wolf, but he also runs XP quints on Warwick, so you might need the big wolf if you're doing it without them. On February 12 2011 08:44 Slayer91 wrote: What about wraith jack into golem jack? That way the golems won't respawn as quick and wraiths as gone so his only choice is to go to your jungle or gank at level 2 without red buff? One of the advantages of a Wraith jack is that it's effective whether the enemy started at smallgols or at blue. With your idea, if they started at smallgols, they're gonna catch if you're your way to their smallgols, and they'll be a level up on you. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
With olaf, for instance, sometimes I need to delay my gank until level 6 because I'll just get cc'd away from my target(s). I can hit 6 without going b, waiting around awkwardly for a very brief period of time. Plus at most points throughout my route I can take red and gank a sufficiently low-health lane (though I have to be careful, since I can't really show up with much more than half health). I'm not sure how much this applies to Warwick at this point, actually. Olaf is a much more efficient jungler when he can stay low health and he doesn't need blue buff very much (it makes wraiths way faster and wolves somewhat). That depends on how many points in Q you take, though, so yeah. the moral of the story is try a lot of different things because each jungler AND player is different also you don't want to listen to rugfeeder | ||
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