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[TLCH] Mission 8: Forbidden Weapon

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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
November 10 2015 09:57 GMT
#1
Please use this thread to discuss the eighth level of the LotV campaign, "Forbidden Weapon". This is the first Glacius mission. Clearly mark spoilers using the spoiler tag. Plot events that occurred in the prologue or Missions 1-3 do not need to be spoilered. Please spoiler plot events from Missions 4-7 which can be played before this mission.

Feel free to use this thread to ask any simple questions you might have about the mission, or for tips/help/advice on completing the mission.
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
November 10 2015 11:25 GMT
#2
+ Show Spoiler [plot] +
I ain't even mad that Fenix came back like this. Because he didn't really come back, it's just his conscious in a dragoon shell that might be corrupted. Best way for them to have done this.
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13990 Posts
November 10 2015 20:03 GMT
#3
On November 10 2015 20:25 Plexa wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [plot] +
I ain't even mad that Fenix came back like this. Because he didn't really come back, it's just his conscious in a dragoon shell that might be corrupted. Best way for them to have done this.

I agree, seems a little unneeded but this was the best way to go about it
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Cuce
Profile Joined March 2011
Turkey1127 Posts
November 11 2015 02:27 GMT
#4
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I think they wanted to put afamiliar face to purifiers,to huminize them so we would feel sympath instead of just taking them as collosus or sentries. using fenix and having him - maybe the most badass guy in the series- struggle about what and who he is really did the trick.
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Lunareste
Profile Joined July 2011
United States3596 Posts
November 11 2015 06:52 GMT
#5
I hate to admit this, but I'm having a super hard time beating this on Brutal. Any tips?
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summerloud
Profile Joined March 2010
Austria1201 Posts
November 11 2015 21:07 GMT
#6
hardest mission so far on brutal imho, but when i beat it i took all the achievements (and ofc all the solarite) with it

stalkers/immo/centurions and lots of sentries are the way to go imho, not sure if expanding pays off or not, i expanded rather late

also make sure you have enough warpgates (i went up to 6) and use chrono overcharge on robo to get a good number of immos
AkiZenko
Profile Joined November 2015
Canada14 Posts
November 11 2015 22:03 GMT
#7
Has anyone been able to do the mastery achievement (Unrestricted Access) for this mission yet? I have no clue how to finish this mission under 11 minutes! The closest I got was a little over 15 minutes.
ShowTheLights
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Korea (South)1701 Posts
November 12 2015 06:07 GMT
#8
On November 12 2015 07:03 AkiZenko wrote:
Has anyone been able to do the mastery achievement (Unrestricted Access) for this mission yet? I have no clue how to finish this mission under 11 minutes! The closest I got was a little over 15 minutes.


need help on this too
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Biolunar
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany224 Posts
November 12 2015 18:28 GMT
#9
Okay here is how you do the 11 min run on hard:
You need to use the automatic assimilator, call down pylon and that time slowdown thing
- Build an assimilator ASAP, rush to DT tech.
- When you have 2 or 3 DTs, run with them to the exit. You do not need to kill anything. You have time to get some of those minerals and gas pickups. Avoid cannons obviously.
- Build 8 Gates at home, save resources otherwise. You can get a forge with weapon upgrade if you want.
- There is a point when you cannot get any further with the DTs (there are 3 cannons and a collossi guarding the way). Use your time stasis on the 3 cannons so they don’t detect you anymore.
- Now HURRY, get up the hill and hide in the spot where the solarite is before the warpprisms deploy the cannons.
- Use the call down pylon from the Spear of Adun to get a warp in spot. Warp in only Stalkers. Use first 8 Stalkers to kill the three cannons in front of your warp in place.
- You need at least 16 Stalkers to go any further. There are many enemies in front of you, Use godlike blink micro to kill the topmost ones, ignore bottom ones. Kill the Pylon powering the top shield, blink down into the last chamber and kill the two other pylons (ignore all enemies, you should have enough Stalkers to suicide)

I managed to beat it in 10:03min with this strat. HINT: Every blink gives you extra shields, so blink very often
What is best? To crush the Zerg, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the Protoss.
ShowTheLights
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Korea (South)1701 Posts
November 12 2015 19:06 GMT
#10
On November 13 2015 03:28 Biolunar wrote:
Okay here is how you do the 11 min run on hard:
You need to use the automatic assimilator, call down pylon and that time slowdown thing
- Build an assimilator ASAP, rush to DT tech.
- When you have 2 or 3 DTs, run with them to the exit. You do not need to kill anything. You have time to get some of those minerals and gas pickups. Avoid cannons obviously.
- Build 8 Gates at home, save resources otherwise. You can get a forge with weapon upgrade if you want.
- There is a point when you cannot get any further with the DTs (there are 3 cannons and a collossi guarding the way). Use your time stasis on the 3 cannons so they don’t detect you anymore.
- Now HURRY, get up the hill and hide in the spot where the solarite is before the warpprisms deploy the cannons.
- Use the call down pylon from the Spear of Adun to get a warp in spot. Warp in only Stalkers. Use first 8 Stalkers to kill the three cannons in front of your warp in place.
- You need at least 16 Stalkers to go any further. There are many enemies in front of you, Use godlike blink micro to kill the topmost ones, ignore bottom ones. Kill the Pylon powering the top shield, blink down into the last chamber and kill the two other pylons (ignore all enemies, you should have enough Stalkers to suicide)

I managed to beat it in 10:03min with this strat. HINT: Every blink gives you extra shields, so blink very often


This is awesome, thank you. When you mean time slow down thing.. do you mean the one where it freezes units? I don't think I have a "time slowdown" ability yet.
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Biolunar
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany224 Posts
November 12 2015 20:39 GMT
#11
On November 13 2015 04:06 ShowTheLights wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2015 03:28 Biolunar wrote:
Okay here is how you do the 11 min run on hard:
You need to use the automatic assimilator, call down pylon and that time slowdown thing
- Build an assimilator ASAP, rush to DT tech.
- When you have 2 or 3 DTs, run with them to the exit. You do not need to kill anything. You have time to get some of those minerals and gas pickups. Avoid cannons obviously.
- Build 8 Gates at home, save resources otherwise. You can get a forge with weapon upgrade if you want.
- There is a point when you cannot get any further with the DTs (there are 3 cannons and a collossi guarding the way). Use your time stasis on the 3 cannons so they don’t detect you anymore.
- Now HURRY, get up the hill and hide in the spot where the solarite is before the warpprisms deploy the cannons.
- Use the call down pylon from the Spear of Adun to get a warp in spot. Warp in only Stalkers. Use first 8 Stalkers to kill the three cannons in front of your warp in place.
- You need at least 16 Stalkers to go any further. There are many enemies in front of you, Use godlike blink micro to kill the topmost ones, ignore bottom ones. Kill the Pylon powering the top shield, blink down into the last chamber and kill the two other pylons (ignore all enemies, you should have enough Stalkers to suicide)

I managed to beat it in 10:03min with this strat. HINT: Every blink gives you extra shields, so blink very often


This is awesome, thank you. When you mean time slow down thing.. do you mean the one where it freezes units? I don't think I have a "time slowdown" ability yet.

Yes the ability that lets you select 3 spots where the time freezes.
What is best? To crush the Zerg, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the Protoss.
LightIChris
Profile Joined November 2015
1 Post
Last Edited: 2015-11-13 01:31:24
November 13 2015 01:30 GMT
#12
On November 12 2015 07:03 AkiZenko wrote:
Has anyone been able to do the mastery achievement (Unrestricted Access) for this mission yet? I have no clue how to finish this mission under 11 minutes! The closest I got was a little over 15 minutes.


There is actually a way to cheese this achievement
At the first force field gate, u can shoot down the pylon behind using solar lance

[image loading]

Another key point is u need to focus down warp prisms flying in with blink stalker so the defences won't activate. The rest should be easy.
AkiZenko
Profile Joined November 2015
Canada14 Posts
November 13 2015 05:13 GMT
#13
On November 13 2015 10:30 LightIChris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2015 07:03 AkiZenko wrote:
Has anyone been able to do the mastery achievement (Unrestricted Access) for this mission yet? I have no clue how to finish this mission under 11 minutes! The closest I got was a little over 15 minutes.


There is actually a way to cheese this achievement
At the first force field gate, u can shoot down the pylon behind using solar lance

[image loading]

Another key point is u need to focus down warp prisms flying in with blink stalker so the defences won't activate. The rest should be easy.


Thanks for sharing this! Having done the Shakuras mission after this, I didn't have access to DTs for what was written above by another poster. This worked wonders.
frajen86
Profile Joined February 2014
168 Posts
November 14 2015 02:39 GMT
#14
On November 13 2015 10:30 LightIChris wrote:
Another key point is u need to focus down warp prisms flying in with blink stalker so the defences won't activate. The rest should be easy.

You can use the Solar Lance to kill the warp prisms pretty easily too : )
scarstream
Profile Joined October 2013
29 Posts
November 14 2015 13:46 GMT
#15
I finally got the mastery! Of course, I am using the Master Archive to make it a bit easier. What I did:

-Army should consist mainly of DTs, as for Spear abilities, auto Assimilator and Solar Lance are a must.
-Right at the start, make an Assimilator and get Dark Shrine ASAP.
-At around 4-5 minutes, you should be attacking that first gate with the Solar Lance, as in LightIChris' screenshot.
-You should also have a few DTs at this point, make sure you picked Nerazim for the faction, their ability would make clearing enemies faster.
-Don't waste time clearing the buildings, instead get all the Sentries and resource pickups (around this time you'll be attacked in your base, so defend accordingly.)
-The Warp Prisms only trigger when you face the group of enemies after the base, the ones with 2 Archons.
-You should save your Solar Lance for the Prisms, so right after dealing with the Archon group, send a DT up the ramp to get vision of them, then snipe the Prisms then clear the enemies in the way to the gate.
-It's probably tempting to use a Solar Lance for this next part, but I'd advise saving it for the last gate. Instead use whatever units left to destroy only 1 side of the defenses, then pass through the gate.
-Now send all your remaining units through the gate, then snipe the gate Pylons with a Solar Lance. Send your DTs to the point. I finished it at 9:39.
Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6105 Posts
November 15 2015 01:02 GMT
#16
Beat this on brutal using 7 gate blink stalkers.

- bring a probe along to build pylons on the way
- use temporal field to stasis enemy before big battles
- fully upgrade at forge
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DrSeRRoD
Profile Joined October 2010
United States490 Posts
November 15 2015 01:06 GMT
#17
You can bypass the warp prisms completely, just make sure your solar lance is ready again before going up the ramp. Run past the unpowered cannons and, at the third set, lance down the 2 pylons and you can sit comfortably until it is ready again. remove the final 2 pylons and you're done. It can be done in under 7 minutes with 4-5 DTs. I like these kind of sneaky assaults, just wish more missions had them.
zhuwawagu
Profile Joined November 2015
25 Posts
November 15 2015 13:00 GMT
#18
The strategy works! It's so fun to do it. These are my brutal playthrough and mastery achievement playthrough. I only used DTs and solar lance like DrSeRRoD described

Brutal playthrough
Mastery achievement
trollbone
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
France1905 Posts
November 29 2015 12:54 GMT
#19
thx Biolunar and LightlChris.

I think the best method is to combine the 2

- Take auto assimilator, solar lance, call down pylon
- Rush to just 1 dt ASAP/ build in your base 8 warpgate
- Do the cheese at the first force field gate
- just go around the photo canon and rush pass the archon to the solarite spot
- call down pylon then build mass stalker
- just chip away the first 3 cannons + army with your first stalkers
- with 16 stalkers go in for the final push, blink as much as you can, take the first top pylon (only) then for the next you solar lance the 2 of them and win easily ^^
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-02 18:16:33
December 02 2015 18:11 GMT
#20
Combined some of your tips into this very easy run of the mastery achievement.

Using Nerazhim DTs, build up to 5 DTs (around 5 min), kill cannon with Shadowfury, cheese past forcewall with the solar lance, then kill everything in the base while building more DTs. Use the Shadow Fury to clear cannons easily from range. Do not engage the archons! When base is cleared wait until you have something like 12 DTs.

The run past the archon group, the warpprisms will still need to fly. Run past all 3 unpowered cannon lines until you meet the red forcewall guarded by pylons and shieldbatteries, Shadowfury onto the pylons and they die instantly, walk down the ramp and solar lance the collosus + pylons, and victory :D No need for stalkers
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