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On May 25 2015 18:21 Nyast wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 17:39 nesmah wrote:On May 25 2015 08:46 ohmylanta1003 wrote:On May 25 2015 06:27 nesmah wrote:On May 25 2015 05:08 ohmylanta1003 wrote:On May 25 2015 04:55 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:On May 22 2015 02:42 royalroadweed wrote:On May 22 2015 02:40 The_Templar wrote:
Missile turret build requirement changed back to engineering bay
Worst change ever. Why is this the worst change ever? Can you elaborate or give reasoning behind this? As far as I see, it not only makes the game have a brood war'ish sense, but also require terran players to actually build a EBay (which is used for upgrades for bio units) before making turrets. It's not a bad change and I'm really confused as to why so many people think it is. Perhaps because people are tired to do the same opener in TvP since 2 years,reaper expo into drop mine or reaper expo into 3 rax. And perhaps people want to open mech in TvP (cyclone or drop tank or else) and don't want to spend his mineral into an useless ebay and just land a turret if they suspect proxies. And perhaps people are tired to lose coin flip game because they guess wrong on their scout. ... Sounds like you have more of an issue with Protoss openers than with anything else. I suggest you complain about that instead. If you play blind, you deserve to get punished. It's a game of information. Every opener has its weakness. If you would not like it exposed, then scout. As Terran, you have the easiest means to accomplish that. I have particulary not much issue with protoss opener, but as everyone says, it's impossible to scout the entire map. And i don't want to play anymore a coin flip game and lose game just because i was not lucky to scout the 4 pixel map where was this proxy oracle. Then play safe and drop an engy bay. When as toss I can't scout the Terran ( because he walls, or I scout him last on a 4-players map, or etc.. ), he could be doing a fast 1-base factory mines drop, I need a robo or a forge for detection otherwise I'm taking a risk, right ? So to be coherent, are you saying it's fine to give toss canons without the forge requirement ? Because the logic would be exactly the same.
Yes i want to play safe with other opener than 3 rax or WM drop and drop a TURRET right now. Not an ebay then a turret.
Honestly...who is going 1 base drop mine vs P ? stop kidding plz. Proxy oracle is very popular but not 1 base drop mine -_-
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On May 25 2015 20:02 nesmah wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 18:21 Nyast wrote:On May 25 2015 17:39 nesmah wrote:On May 25 2015 08:46 ohmylanta1003 wrote:On May 25 2015 06:27 nesmah wrote:On May 25 2015 05:08 ohmylanta1003 wrote:On May 25 2015 04:55 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:On May 22 2015 02:42 royalroadweed wrote:On May 22 2015 02:40 The_Templar wrote:
Missile turret build requirement changed back to engineering bay
Worst change ever. Why is this the worst change ever? Can you elaborate or give reasoning behind this? As far as I see, it not only makes the game have a brood war'ish sense, but also require terran players to actually build a EBay (which is used for upgrades for bio units) before making turrets. It's not a bad change and I'm really confused as to why so many people think it is. Perhaps because people are tired to do the same opener in TvP since 2 years,reaper expo into drop mine or reaper expo into 3 rax. And perhaps people want to open mech in TvP (cyclone or drop tank or else) and don't want to spend his mineral into an useless ebay and just land a turret if they suspect proxies. And perhaps people are tired to lose coin flip game because they guess wrong on their scout. ... Sounds like you have more of an issue with Protoss openers than with anything else. I suggest you complain about that instead. If you play blind, you deserve to get punished. It's a game of information. Every opener has its weakness. If you would not like it exposed, then scout. As Terran, you have the easiest means to accomplish that. I have particulary not much issue with protoss opener, but as everyone says, it's impossible to scout the entire map. And i don't want to play anymore a coin flip game and lose game just because i was not lucky to scout the 4 pixel map where was this proxy oracle. Then play safe and drop an engy bay. When as toss I can't scout the Terran ( because he walls, or I scout him last on a 4-players map, or etc.. ), he could be doing a fast 1-base factory mines drop, I need a robo or a forge for detection otherwise I'm taking a risk, right ? So to be coherent, are you saying it's fine to give toss canons without the forge requirement ? Because the logic would be exactly the same. Yes i want to play safe with other opener than 3 rax or WM drop and drop a TURRET right now. Not an ebay then a turret. Honestly...who is going 1 base drop mine vs P ? stop kidding plz. Proxy oracle is very popular but not 1 base drop mine -_-
Uhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..........
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On May 25 2015 20:02 nesmah wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 18:21 Nyast wrote:On May 25 2015 17:39 nesmah wrote:On May 25 2015 08:46 ohmylanta1003 wrote:On May 25 2015 06:27 nesmah wrote:On May 25 2015 05:08 ohmylanta1003 wrote:On May 25 2015 04:55 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:On May 22 2015 02:42 royalroadweed wrote:On May 22 2015 02:40 The_Templar wrote:
Missile turret build requirement changed back to engineering bay
Worst change ever. Why is this the worst change ever? Can you elaborate or give reasoning behind this? As far as I see, it not only makes the game have a brood war'ish sense, but also require terran players to actually build a EBay (which is used for upgrades for bio units) before making turrets. It's not a bad change and I'm really confused as to why so many people think it is. Perhaps because people are tired to do the same opener in TvP since 2 years,reaper expo into drop mine or reaper expo into 3 rax. And perhaps people want to open mech in TvP (cyclone or drop tank or else) and don't want to spend his mineral into an useless ebay and just land a turret if they suspect proxies. And perhaps people are tired to lose coin flip game because they guess wrong on their scout. ... Sounds like you have more of an issue with Protoss openers than with anything else. I suggest you complain about that instead. If you play blind, you deserve to get punished. It's a game of information. Every opener has its weakness. If you would not like it exposed, then scout. As Terran, you have the easiest means to accomplish that. I have particulary not much issue with protoss opener, but as everyone says, it's impossible to scout the entire map. And i don't want to play anymore a coin flip game and lose game just because i was not lucky to scout the 4 pixel map where was this proxy oracle. Then play safe and drop an engy bay. When as toss I can't scout the Terran ( because he walls, or I scout him last on a 4-players map, or etc.. ), he could be doing a fast 1-base factory mines drop, I need a robo or a forge for detection otherwise I'm taking a risk, right ? So to be coherent, are you saying it's fine to give toss canons without the forge requirement ? Because the logic would be exactly the same. Yes i want to play safe with other opener than 3 rax or WM drop and drop a TURRET right now. Not an ebay then a turret. Honestly...who is going 1 base drop mine vs P ? stop kidding plz. Proxy oracle is very popular but not 1 base drop mine -_-
You're actually kidding, right? So many pros (and I mean so many) are going 1 base mine drop (often proxied) against Protoss.
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So to be coherent, are you saying it's fine to give toss canons without the forge requirement ? Because the logic would be exactly the same.
You are not thinking this one through.
Then play safe and drop an engy bay.
Sounds like you have a naive understanding of how terran works in the early game. I suggest you start to play some actual terran games and get up to reasonable level before you make suggestions to other terran players. Thanks in advance.
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On May 26 2015 00:05 ohmylanta1003 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 20:02 nesmah wrote:On May 25 2015 18:21 Nyast wrote:On May 25 2015 17:39 nesmah wrote:On May 25 2015 08:46 ohmylanta1003 wrote:On May 25 2015 06:27 nesmah wrote:On May 25 2015 05:08 ohmylanta1003 wrote:On May 25 2015 04:55 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:On May 22 2015 02:42 royalroadweed wrote:On May 22 2015 02:40 The_Templar wrote:
Missile turret build requirement changed back to engineering bay
Worst change ever. Why is this the worst change ever? Can you elaborate or give reasoning behind this? As far as I see, it not only makes the game have a brood war'ish sense, but also require terran players to actually build a EBay (which is used for upgrades for bio units) before making turrets. It's not a bad change and I'm really confused as to why so many people think it is. Perhaps because people are tired to do the same opener in TvP since 2 years,reaper expo into drop mine or reaper expo into 3 rax. And perhaps people want to open mech in TvP (cyclone or drop tank or else) and don't want to spend his mineral into an useless ebay and just land a turret if they suspect proxies. And perhaps people are tired to lose coin flip game because they guess wrong on their scout. ... Sounds like you have more of an issue with Protoss openers than with anything else. I suggest you complain about that instead. If you play blind, you deserve to get punished. It's a game of information. Every opener has its weakness. If you would not like it exposed, then scout. As Terran, you have the easiest means to accomplish that. I have particulary not much issue with protoss opener, but as everyone says, it's impossible to scout the entire map. And i don't want to play anymore a coin flip game and lose game just because i was not lucky to scout the 4 pixel map where was this proxy oracle. Then play safe and drop an engy bay. When as toss I can't scout the Terran ( because he walls, or I scout him last on a 4-players map, or etc.. ), he could be doing a fast 1-base factory mines drop, I need a robo or a forge for detection otherwise I'm taking a risk, right ? So to be coherent, are you saying it's fine to give toss canons without the forge requirement ? Because the logic would be exactly the same. Yes i want to play safe with other opener than 3 rax or WM drop and drop a TURRET right now. Not an ebay then a turret. Honestly...who is going 1 base drop mine vs P ? stop kidding plz. Proxy oracle is very popular but not 1 base drop mine -_- You're actually kidding, right? So many pros (and I mean so many) are going 1 base mine drop (often proxied) against Protoss.
I have never seen a pro spaming a 1base proxy facto drop mine in the beta. Never. And generally i've never seen a pro doing a 1 base strat vs Protoss just for one reason : MSC.
If 1 base terran strat were strong, everyone will go this way. But it's not the case. So, stop kidding me. thx.
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On May 26 2015 00:19 nesmah wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2015 00:05 ohmylanta1003 wrote:On May 25 2015 20:02 nesmah wrote:On May 25 2015 18:21 Nyast wrote:On May 25 2015 17:39 nesmah wrote:On May 25 2015 08:46 ohmylanta1003 wrote:On May 25 2015 06:27 nesmah wrote:On May 25 2015 05:08 ohmylanta1003 wrote:On May 25 2015 04:55 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:On May 22 2015 02:42 royalroadweed wrote:
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Worst change ever. Why is this the worst change ever? Can you elaborate or give reasoning behind this? As far as I see, it not only makes the game have a brood war'ish sense, but also require terran players to actually build a EBay (which is used for upgrades for bio units) before making turrets. It's not a bad change and I'm really confused as to why so many people think it is. Perhaps because people are tired to do the same opener in TvP since 2 years,reaper expo into drop mine or reaper expo into 3 rax. And perhaps people want to open mech in TvP (cyclone or drop tank or else) and don't want to spend his mineral into an useless ebay and just land a turret if they suspect proxies. And perhaps people are tired to lose coin flip game because they guess wrong on their scout. ... Sounds like you have more of an issue with Protoss openers than with anything else. I suggest you complain about that instead. If you play blind, you deserve to get punished. It's a game of information. Every opener has its weakness. If you would not like it exposed, then scout. As Terran, you have the easiest means to accomplish that. I have particulary not much issue with protoss opener, but as everyone says, it's impossible to scout the entire map. And i don't want to play anymore a coin flip game and lose game just because i was not lucky to scout the 4 pixel map where was this proxy oracle. Then play safe and drop an engy bay. When as toss I can't scout the Terran ( because he walls, or I scout him last on a 4-players map, or etc.. ), he could be doing a fast 1-base factory mines drop, I need a robo or a forge for detection otherwise I'm taking a risk, right ? So to be coherent, are you saying it's fine to give toss canons without the forge requirement ? Because the logic would be exactly the same. Yes i want to play safe with other opener than 3 rax or WM drop and drop a TURRET right now. Not an ebay then a turret. Honestly...who is going 1 base drop mine vs P ? stop kidding plz. Proxy oracle is very popular but not 1 base drop mine -_- You're actually kidding, right? So many pros (and I mean so many) are going 1 base mine drop (often proxied) against Protoss. I have never seen a pro spaming a 1base proxy facto drop mine in the beta. Never. And generally i've never seen a pro doing a 1 base strat vs Protoss just for one reason : MSC. If 1 base terran strat were strong, everyone went this way. But it's not the case. So, stop kidding me. thx.
Talking about HOTS. The best pros don't play LOTV yet.
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On May 26 2015 00:22 ohmylanta1003 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2015 00:19 nesmah wrote:On May 26 2015 00:05 ohmylanta1003 wrote:On May 25 2015 20:02 nesmah wrote:On May 25 2015 18:21 Nyast wrote:On May 25 2015 17:39 nesmah wrote:On May 25 2015 08:46 ohmylanta1003 wrote:On May 25 2015 06:27 nesmah wrote:On May 25 2015 05:08 ohmylanta1003 wrote:On May 25 2015 04:55 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:
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Why is this the worst change ever? Can you elaborate or give reasoning behind this?
As far as I see, it not only makes the game have a brood war'ish sense, but also require terran players to actually build a EBay (which is used for upgrades for bio units) before making turrets. It's not a bad change and I'm really confused as to why so many people think it is. Perhaps because people are tired to do the same opener in TvP since 2 years,reaper expo into drop mine or reaper expo into 3 rax. And perhaps people want to open mech in TvP (cyclone or drop tank or else) and don't want to spend his mineral into an useless ebay and just land a turret if they suspect proxies. And perhaps people are tired to lose coin flip game because they guess wrong on their scout. ... Sounds like you have more of an issue with Protoss openers than with anything else. I suggest you complain about that instead. If you play blind, you deserve to get punished. It's a game of information. Every opener has its weakness. If you would not like it exposed, then scout. As Terran, you have the easiest means to accomplish that. I have particulary not much issue with protoss opener, but as everyone says, it's impossible to scout the entire map. And i don't want to play anymore a coin flip game and lose game just because i was not lucky to scout the 4 pixel map where was this proxy oracle. Then play safe and drop an engy bay. When as toss I can't scout the Terran ( because he walls, or I scout him last on a 4-players map, or etc.. ), he could be doing a fast 1-base factory mines drop, I need a robo or a forge for detection otherwise I'm taking a risk, right ? So to be coherent, are you saying it's fine to give toss canons without the forge requirement ? Because the logic would be exactly the same. Yes i want to play safe with other opener than 3 rax or WM drop and drop a TURRET right now. Not an ebay then a turret. Honestly...who is going 1 base drop mine vs P ? stop kidding plz. Proxy oracle is very popular but not 1 base drop mine -_- You're actually kidding, right? So many pros (and I mean so many) are going 1 base mine drop (often proxied) against Protoss. I have never seen a pro spaming a 1base proxy facto drop mine in the beta. Never. And generally i've never seen a pro doing a 1 base strat vs Protoss just for one reason : MSC. If 1 base terran strat were strong, everyone went this way. But it's not the case. So, stop kidding me. thx. Talking about HOTS. The best pros don't play LOTV yet.
This is a LotV thread, why are you discussing HotS here?
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On May 26 2015 01:29 Lexender wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2015 00:22 ohmylanta1003 wrote:On May 26 2015 00:19 nesmah wrote:On May 26 2015 00:05 ohmylanta1003 wrote:On May 25 2015 20:02 nesmah wrote:On May 25 2015 18:21 Nyast wrote:On May 25 2015 17:39 nesmah wrote:On May 25 2015 08:46 ohmylanta1003 wrote:On May 25 2015 06:27 nesmah wrote:On May 25 2015 05:08 ohmylanta1003 wrote:
[quote]
It's not a bad change and I'm really confused as to why so many people think it is. . Perhaps because people are tired to do the same opener in TvP since 2 years,reaper expo into drop mine or reaper expo into 3 rax. And perhaps people want to open mech in TvP (cyclone or drop tank or else) and don't want to spend his mineral into an useless ebay and just land a turret if they suspect proxies. And perhaps people are tired to lose coin flip game because they guess wrong on their scout. ... Sounds like you have more of an issue with Protoss openers than with anything else. I suggest you complain about that instead. If you play blind, you deserve to get punished. It's a game of information. Every opener has its weakness. If you would not like it exposed, then scout. As Terran, you have the easiest means to accomplish that. I have particulary not much issue with protoss opener, but as everyone says, it's impossible to scout the entire map. And i don't want to play anymore a coin flip game and lose game just because i was not lucky to scout the 4 pixel map where was this proxy oracle. Then play safe and drop an engy bay. When as toss I can't scout the Terran ( because he walls, or I scout him last on a 4-players map, or etc.. ), he could be doing a fast 1-base factory mines drop, I need a robo or a forge for detection otherwise I'm taking a risk, right ? So to be coherent, are you saying it's fine to give toss canons without the forge requirement ? Because the logic would be exactly the same. Yes i want to play safe with other opener than 3 rax or WM drop and drop a TURRET right now. Not an ebay then a turret. Honestly...who is going 1 base drop mine vs P ? stop kidding plz. Proxy oracle is very popular but not 1 base drop mine -_- You're actually kidding, right? So many pros (and I mean so many) are going 1 base mine drop (often proxied) against Protoss. I have never seen a pro spaming a 1base proxy facto drop mine in the beta. Never. And generally i've never seen a pro doing a 1 base strat vs Protoss just for one reason : MSC. If 1 base terran strat were strong, everyone went this way. But it's not the case. So, stop kidding me. thx. Talking about HOTS. The best pros don't play LOTV yet. This is a LotV thread, why are you discussing HotS here?
Lol. Because we can't talk about a barely developed game like it's actually developed fully. Although, people here think you can.
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On May 26 2015 01:43 ohmylanta1003 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2015 01:29 Lexender wrote:On May 26 2015 00:22 ohmylanta1003 wrote:On May 26 2015 00:19 nesmah wrote:On May 26 2015 00:05 ohmylanta1003 wrote:On May 25 2015 20:02 nesmah wrote:On May 25 2015 18:21 Nyast wrote:On May 25 2015 17:39 nesmah wrote:On May 25 2015 08:46 ohmylanta1003 wrote:On May 25 2015 06:27 nesmah wrote:
[quote].
Perhaps because people are tired to do the same opener in TvP since 2 years,reaper expo into drop mine or reaper expo into 3 rax.
And perhaps people want to open mech in TvP (cyclone or drop tank or else) and don't want to spend his mineral into an useless ebay and just land a turret if they suspect proxies.
And perhaps people are tired to lose coin flip game because they guess wrong on their scout.
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Sounds like you have more of an issue with Protoss openers than with anything else. I suggest you complain about that instead. If you play blind, you deserve to get punished. It's a game of information. Every opener has its weakness. If you would not like it exposed, then scout. As Terran, you have the easiest means to accomplish that. I have particulary not much issue with protoss opener, but as everyone says, it's impossible to scout the entire map. And i don't want to play anymore a coin flip game and lose game just because i was not lucky to scout the 4 pixel map where was this proxy oracle. Then play safe and drop an engy bay. When as toss I can't scout the Terran ( because he walls, or I scout him last on a 4-players map, or etc.. ), he could be doing a fast 1-base factory mines drop, I need a robo or a forge for detection otherwise I'm taking a risk, right ? So to be coherent, are you saying it's fine to give toss canons without the forge requirement ? Because the logic would be exactly the same. Yes i want to play safe with other opener than 3 rax or WM drop and drop a TURRET right now. Not an ebay then a turret. Honestly...who is going 1 base drop mine vs P ? stop kidding plz. Proxy oracle is very popular but not 1 base drop mine -_- You're actually kidding, right? So many pros (and I mean so many) are going 1 base mine drop (often proxied) against Protoss. I have never seen a pro spaming a 1base proxy facto drop mine in the beta. Never. And generally i've never seen a pro doing a 1 base strat vs Protoss just for one reason : MSC. If 1 base terran strat were strong, everyone went this way. But it's not the case. So, stop kidding me. thx. Talking about HOTS. The best pros don't play LOTV yet. This is a LotV thread, why are you discussing HotS here? Lol. Because we can't talk about a barely developed game like it's actually developed fully. Although, people here think you can.
But we are talking about the turret in LOTV here not in HOTS. So you're discussion has no point. Sorry.
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On May 26 2015 01:43 ohmylanta1003 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2015 01:29 Lexender wrote:On May 26 2015 00:22 ohmylanta1003 wrote:On May 26 2015 00:19 nesmah wrote:On May 26 2015 00:05 ohmylanta1003 wrote:On May 25 2015 20:02 nesmah wrote:On May 25 2015 18:21 Nyast wrote:On May 25 2015 17:39 nesmah wrote:On May 25 2015 08:46 ohmylanta1003 wrote:On May 25 2015 06:27 nesmah wrote:
[quote].
Perhaps because people are tired to do the same opener in TvP since 2 years,reaper expo into drop mine or reaper expo into 3 rax.
And perhaps people want to open mech in TvP (cyclone or drop tank or else) and don't want to spend his mineral into an useless ebay and just land a turret if they suspect proxies.
And perhaps people are tired to lose coin flip game because they guess wrong on their scout.
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Sounds like you have more of an issue with Protoss openers than with anything else. I suggest you complain about that instead. If you play blind, you deserve to get punished. It's a game of information. Every opener has its weakness. If you would not like it exposed, then scout. As Terran, you have the easiest means to accomplish that. I have particulary not much issue with protoss opener, but as everyone says, it's impossible to scout the entire map. And i don't want to play anymore a coin flip game and lose game just because i was not lucky to scout the 4 pixel map where was this proxy oracle. Then play safe and drop an engy bay. When as toss I can't scout the Terran ( because he walls, or I scout him last on a 4-players map, or etc.. ), he could be doing a fast 1-base factory mines drop, I need a robo or a forge for detection otherwise I'm taking a risk, right ? So to be coherent, are you saying it's fine to give toss canons without the forge requirement ? Because the logic would be exactly the same. Yes i want to play safe with other opener than 3 rax or WM drop and drop a TURRET right now. Not an ebay then a turret. Honestly...who is going 1 base drop mine vs P ? stop kidding plz. Proxy oracle is very popular but not 1 base drop mine -_- You're actually kidding, right? So many pros (and I mean so many) are going 1 base mine drop (often proxied) against Protoss. I have never seen a pro spaming a 1base proxy facto drop mine in the beta. Never. And generally i've never seen a pro doing a 1 base strat vs Protoss just for one reason : MSC. If 1 base terran strat were strong, everyone went this way. But it's not the case. So, stop kidding me. thx. Talking about HOTS. The best pros don't play LOTV yet. This is a LotV thread, why are you discussing HotS here? Lol. Because we can't talk about a barely developed game like it's actually developed fully. Although, people here think you can.
What are you talking about? Thats the whole point of the beta, you make no sense.
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Excepted turret change, every polls have a majority of Approve/Neutral.
Poll: How do you feel about the overall direction of these changes?
Disapprove
lol
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On May 26 2015 01:51 nesmah wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2015 01:43 ohmylanta1003 wrote:On May 26 2015 01:29 Lexender wrote:On May 26 2015 00:22 ohmylanta1003 wrote:On May 26 2015 00:19 nesmah wrote:On May 26 2015 00:05 ohmylanta1003 wrote:On May 25 2015 20:02 nesmah wrote:On May 25 2015 18:21 Nyast wrote:On May 25 2015 17:39 nesmah wrote:On May 25 2015 08:46 ohmylanta1003 wrote:
[quote]
Sounds like you have more of an issue with Protoss openers than with anything else. I suggest you complain about that instead. If you play blind, you deserve to get punished. It's a game of information. Every opener has its weakness. If you would not like it exposed, then scout. As Terran, you have the easiest means to accomplish that. I have particulary not much issue with protoss opener, but as everyone says, it's impossible to scout the entire map. And i don't want to play anymore a coin flip game and lose game just because i was not lucky to scout the 4 pixel map where was this proxy oracle. Then play safe and drop an engy bay. When as toss I can't scout the Terran ( because he walls, or I scout him last on a 4-players map, or etc.. ), he could be doing a fast 1-base factory mines drop, I need a robo or a forge for detection otherwise I'm taking a risk, right ? So to be coherent, are you saying it's fine to give toss canons without the forge requirement ? Because the logic would be exactly the same. Yes i want to play safe with other opener than 3 rax or WM drop and drop a TURRET right now. Not an ebay then a turret. Honestly...who is going 1 base drop mine vs P ? stop kidding plz. Proxy oracle is very popular but not 1 base drop mine -_- You're actually kidding, right? So many pros (and I mean so many) are going 1 base mine drop (often proxied) against Protoss. I have never seen a pro spaming a 1base proxy facto drop mine in the beta. Never. And generally i've never seen a pro doing a 1 base strat vs Protoss just for one reason : MSC. If 1 base terran strat were strong, everyone went this way. But it's not the case. So, stop kidding me. thx. Talking about HOTS. The best pros don't play LOTV yet. This is a LotV thread, why are you discussing HotS here? Lol. Because we can't talk about a barely developed game like it's actually developed fully. Although, people here think you can. But we are talking about the turret in LOTV here not in HOTS. So you're discussion has no point. Sorry.
It certainly does have a point. If you can't fucking see it, then I guess we're done talking.
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On May 26 2015 01:52 Lexender wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2015 01:43 ohmylanta1003 wrote:On May 26 2015 01:29 Lexender wrote:On May 26 2015 00:22 ohmylanta1003 wrote:On May 26 2015 00:19 nesmah wrote:On May 26 2015 00:05 ohmylanta1003 wrote:On May 25 2015 20:02 nesmah wrote:On May 25 2015 18:21 Nyast wrote:On May 25 2015 17:39 nesmah wrote:On May 25 2015 08:46 ohmylanta1003 wrote:
[quote]
Sounds like you have more of an issue with Protoss openers than with anything else. I suggest you complain about that instead. If you play blind, you deserve to get punished. It's a game of information. Every opener has its weakness. If you would not like it exposed, then scout. As Terran, you have the easiest means to accomplish that. I have particulary not much issue with protoss opener, but as everyone says, it's impossible to scout the entire map. And i don't want to play anymore a coin flip game and lose game just because i was not lucky to scout the 4 pixel map where was this proxy oracle. Then play safe and drop an engy bay. When as toss I can't scout the Terran ( because he walls, or I scout him last on a 4-players map, or etc.. ), he could be doing a fast 1-base factory mines drop, I need a robo or a forge for detection otherwise I'm taking a risk, right ? So to be coherent, are you saying it's fine to give toss canons without the forge requirement ? Because the logic would be exactly the same. Yes i want to play safe with other opener than 3 rax or WM drop and drop a TURRET right now. Not an ebay then a turret. Honestly...who is going 1 base drop mine vs P ? stop kidding plz. Proxy oracle is very popular but not 1 base drop mine -_- You're actually kidding, right? So many pros (and I mean so many) are going 1 base mine drop (often proxied) against Protoss. I have never seen a pro spaming a 1base proxy facto drop mine in the beta. Never. And generally i've never seen a pro doing a 1 base strat vs Protoss just for one reason : MSC. If 1 base terran strat were strong, everyone went this way. But it's not the case. So, stop kidding me. thx. Talking about HOTS. The best pros don't play LOTV yet. This is a LotV thread, why are you discussing HotS here? Lol. Because we can't talk about a barely developed game like it's actually developed fully. Although, people here think you can. What are you talking about? Thats the whole point of the beta, you make no sense.
Read my post above.
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On May 26 2015 01:43 ohmylanta1003 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2015 01:29 Lexender wrote:On May 26 2015 00:22 ohmylanta1003 wrote:On May 26 2015 00:19 nesmah wrote:On May 26 2015 00:05 ohmylanta1003 wrote:On May 25 2015 20:02 nesmah wrote:On May 25 2015 18:21 Nyast wrote:On May 25 2015 17:39 nesmah wrote:On May 25 2015 08:46 ohmylanta1003 wrote:On May 25 2015 06:27 nesmah wrote:
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Perhaps because people are tired to do the same opener in TvP since 2 years,reaper expo into drop mine or reaper expo into 3 rax.
And perhaps people want to open mech in TvP (cyclone or drop tank or else) and don't want to spend his mineral into an useless ebay and just land a turret if they suspect proxies.
And perhaps people are tired to lose coin flip game because they guess wrong on their scout.
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Sounds like you have more of an issue with Protoss openers than with anything else. I suggest you complain about that instead. If you play blind, you deserve to get punished. It's a game of information. Every opener has its weakness. If you would not like it exposed, then scout. As Terran, you have the easiest means to accomplish that. I have particulary not much issue with protoss opener, but as everyone says, it's impossible to scout the entire map. And i don't want to play anymore a coin flip game and lose game just because i was not lucky to scout the 4 pixel map where was this proxy oracle. Then play safe and drop an engy bay. When as toss I can't scout the Terran ( because he walls, or I scout him last on a 4-players map, or etc.. ), he could be doing a fast 1-base factory mines drop, I need a robo or a forge for detection otherwise I'm taking a risk, right ? So to be coherent, are you saying it's fine to give toss canons without the forge requirement ? Because the logic would be exactly the same. Yes i want to play safe with other opener than 3 rax or WM drop and drop a TURRET right now. Not an ebay then a turret. Honestly...who is going 1 base drop mine vs P ? stop kidding plz. Proxy oracle is very popular but not 1 base drop mine -_- You're actually kidding, right? So many pros (and I mean so many) are going 1 base mine drop (often proxied) against Protoss. I have never seen a pro spaming a 1base proxy facto drop mine in the beta. Never. And generally i've never seen a pro doing a 1 base strat vs Protoss just for one reason : MSC. If 1 base terran strat were strong, everyone went this way. But it's not the case. So, stop kidding me. thx. Talking about HOTS. The best pros don't play LOTV yet. This is a LotV thread, why are you discussing HotS here? Lol. Because we can't talk about a barely developed game like it's actually developed fully. Although, people here think you can.
This is a BETA and the whole point of this beta is to talk about a game that is barely not fully developed. And that's what i'm doing. But you talk about build and turret in HOTS....
That makes no sence !
So plz talk about the turret or the build in LOTV if you want a real discussion.
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On May 26 2015 01:54 Glioburd wrote:
Excepted turret change, every polls have a majority of Approve/Neutral.
Poll: How do you feel about the overall direction of these changes?
Disapprove
lol
I find it fascinating how many people think that this is a paradox.
Think of Blizzard as SC2s government. Only because people would rather have their latest bandaid fixes to deeper problems than not have those fixes, that does not mean they approve of the general approach the government is taking or the government's priorities when addressing problems.
Take the SH as an example. The unit is hated so people will approve of a nerf rather than disapprove. But what they really think is that Blizzard needs to admit failure with this unit and remove it from the game.
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On May 26 2015 02:26 nesmah wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2015 01:43 ohmylanta1003 wrote:On May 26 2015 01:29 Lexender wrote:On May 26 2015 00:22 ohmylanta1003 wrote:On May 26 2015 00:19 nesmah wrote:On May 26 2015 00:05 ohmylanta1003 wrote:On May 25 2015 20:02 nesmah wrote:On May 25 2015 18:21 Nyast wrote:On May 25 2015 17:39 nesmah wrote:On May 25 2015 08:46 ohmylanta1003 wrote:
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Sounds like you have more of an issue with Protoss openers than with anything else. I suggest you complain about that instead. If you play blind, you deserve to get punished. It's a game of information. Every opener has its weakness. If you would not like it exposed, then scout. As Terran, you have the easiest means to accomplish that. I have particulary not much issue with protoss opener, but as everyone says, it's impossible to scout the entire map. And i don't want to play anymore a coin flip game and lose game just because i was not lucky to scout the 4 pixel map where was this proxy oracle. Then play safe and drop an engy bay. When as toss I can't scout the Terran ( because he walls, or I scout him last on a 4-players map, or etc.. ), he could be doing a fast 1-base factory mines drop, I need a robo or a forge for detection otherwise I'm taking a risk, right ? So to be coherent, are you saying it's fine to give toss canons without the forge requirement ? Because the logic would be exactly the same. Yes i want to play safe with other opener than 3 rax or WM drop and drop a TURRET right now. Not an ebay then a turret. Honestly...who is going 1 base drop mine vs P ? stop kidding plz. Proxy oracle is very popular but not 1 base drop mine -_- You're actually kidding, right? So many pros (and I mean so many) are going 1 base mine drop (often proxied) against Protoss. I have never seen a pro spaming a 1base proxy facto drop mine in the beta. Never. And generally i've never seen a pro doing a 1 base strat vs Protoss just for one reason : MSC. If 1 base terran strat were strong, everyone went this way. But it's not the case. So, stop kidding me. thx. Talking about HOTS. The best pros don't play LOTV yet. This is a LotV thread, why are you discussing HotS here? Lol. Because we can't talk about a barely developed game like it's actually developed fully. Although, people here think you can. This is a BETA and the whole point of this beta is to talk about a game that is barely not fully developed. And that's what i'm doing. But you talk about build and turret in HOTS.... That makes no sence ! So plz talk about the turret or the build in LOTV if you want a real discussion.
You need to know about the past to properly discuss the future. Thank you for your time. Goodbye.
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On May 26 2015 02:54 ohmylanta1003 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2015 02:26 nesmah wrote:On May 26 2015 01:43 ohmylanta1003 wrote:On May 26 2015 01:29 Lexender wrote:On May 26 2015 00:22 ohmylanta1003 wrote:On May 26 2015 00:19 nesmah wrote:On May 26 2015 00:05 ohmylanta1003 wrote:On May 25 2015 20:02 nesmah wrote:On May 25 2015 18:21 Nyast wrote:On May 25 2015 17:39 nesmah wrote:
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I have particulary not much issue with protoss opener, but as everyone says, it's impossible to scout the entire map. And i don't want to play anymore a coin flip game and lose game just because i was not lucky to scout the 4 pixel map where was this proxy oracle. Then play safe and drop an engy bay. When as toss I can't scout the Terran ( because he walls, or I scout him last on a 4-players map, or etc.. ), he could be doing a fast 1-base factory mines drop, I need a robo or a forge for detection otherwise I'm taking a risk, right ? So to be coherent, are you saying it's fine to give toss canons without the forge requirement ? Because the logic would be exactly the same. Yes i want to play safe with other opener than 3 rax or WM drop and drop a TURRET right now. Not an ebay then a turret. Honestly...who is going 1 base drop mine vs P ? stop kidding plz. Proxy oracle is very popular but not 1 base drop mine -_- You're actually kidding, right? So many pros (and I mean so many) are going 1 base mine drop (often proxied) against Protoss. I have never seen a pro spaming a 1base proxy facto drop mine in the beta. Never. And generally i've never seen a pro doing a 1 base strat vs Protoss just for one reason : MSC. If 1 base terran strat were strong, everyone went this way. But it's not the case. So, stop kidding me. thx. Talking about HOTS. The best pros don't play LOTV yet. This is a LotV thread, why are you discussing HotS here? Lol. Because we can't talk about a barely developed game like it's actually developed fully. Although, people here think you can. This is a BETA and the whole point of this beta is to talk about a game that is barely not fully developed. And that's what i'm doing. But you talk about build and turret in HOTS.... That makes no sence ! So plz talk about the turret or the build in LOTV if you want a real discussion. You need to know about the past to properly discuss the future. Thank you for your time. Goodbye.
Pfff fff fff...
Yeah good bye 
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Why would anyone build siege tanks again? 2 shot kills, shooting as fast as Marauders.
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EPT
