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Ingvar
Profile Joined April 2015
Russian Federation421 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-27 07:44:20
May 27 2015 07:43 GMT
#541
On May 27 2015 02:47 summerloud wrote:
apart from balance, just concentrating on the visual design:

i think the liberator looks really silly and un-terrany

since when do terrans shoot blue lasers? also, the general unit design is weak. and the AA attack looks really tiny, i was hoping for a valkyrie-style volley of missiles


Since wraith? Or you would be happier if it was red? (that probably has some deep Star Wars implications)
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Berry_CruncH
Profile Joined April 2015
5 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-27 09:24:57
May 27 2015 09:23 GMT
#542
On May 22 2015 03:04 Matt` wrote:
why does terran needs more AA honestly, they should remove the thor if they want to bring another AA unit in.


Terran has the worst air units in the game if not just flat out for its lack of mobility compared to the other races but also the cost, and you need such a specific mix of units. It's not like you can spam vikings and they are gonna be as effective as phoenix or mutas. Thors are bad, i mean seriously complaining about thors is the funniest thing in the entire game because they only used to counter 1 unit in the whole game and they are completely shut down by a simple micro trick.
Klowney
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden277 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-27 11:24:11
May 27 2015 11:23 GMT
#543
On May 27 2015 15:53 pure.Wasted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2015 15:48 frostalgia wrote:
Disruptor needs a Robo Bay upgrade. Maybe make it cloaked while it's invulnerable?


Dude.

Guy.

You want to turn Disruptors into AOE Dark Templar? Because regular old Dark Templar aren't evil enough?

If that's not offensive on principle alone, consider simply that it removes all micro counterplay, and micro counterplay is (part of) the reason the Disruptor was created to replace the Colossus. The invincibility is pretty terrible already, a flat shield buff would be much more preferable.


I think it would be pretty fun if it cloaked while not moving.
HallofPain4444
Profile Joined April 2015
Japan71 Posts
May 27 2015 16:25 GMT
#544
Things that need to be adjusted

1. Parasitic bomb - Basically a storm that you can't dodge and stacks. There's nothing more OP right now, nothing even comes anywhere close imo. Nerfing the damage won't do too much cuz it stucks. When my Viking ball got hit by like maybe 2-3 PBombs they literally evaporate in like a second I can't even react fast enough to split, not that it would matter cuz I think even pro players, and even bots won't be able to do anything. There's no way to even nerf it, this thing just need to go, it makes all sorts of air compositions completely useless.

2. Cyclone - This unit is actually a must have given the other changes like Marauder nerf, Ultralisk buff, Adept buff and so on. Without this unit Terran would be the worst race by like a light year. Maybe the stats, size, food of this unit need some tweaking but it's definitely what keeps T alive against shenanigans. This is the new backbone of T army(the old one being MMM), nerfing this unit should be done carefully.

3. Adept - This unit is WAY too powerful in the stage when it's available. It seems to me I have to blindly go for the fastest possible Cyclone to be able to deal with this opener.(I'm pretty low level so don't take this too seriously, but most casual players probably feel the same way as me) Well with the Cyclone AA removed I just die straight up against other shenanegans like proxy oracle. So what I do is open with fastest possible Cyclone and put 1 turret each per mineral line.(thx for the turret nerf DK!) I'm not even gonna bother scouting cuz it's too APM demanding for my level. I guess us casual players just have to play rock-paper-scissors huh.
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Nyast
Profile Joined November 2010
Belgium554 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-27 17:28:05
May 27 2015 17:26 GMT
#545
I think the problem with disruptors is that they're unreliable.

Another way to see it is this: it "feels" OP when you get to kill 10-15 units, and I think that's why a lot of people consider the unit imba. But that happens only once in a while, especially if your opponent knows how to split.

Most likely, you're going to trade a single disruptor for 5-6 enemy units, on a regular basis. But you're also going to lose a disruptor for nothing once in a while, cause you'll get caught off-pos, or because he'll split in a different direction at the last second and your disruptor will explode doing nothing and get insta killed.

My point being that even though there's potential for killing 10-15 units, you need to consider the average; how many units got killed by disruptors in the game, divided by the amount of disruptors, and that'll give you the average number of kills per disruptor in a game. If you do this calc, you'll find that disruptors is just a "meh" unit. The few times you'll make your opponent rage because you killed half his army with a single disruptor are getting cancelled out by the few times you'll rage because your 300-gas unit didn't do a single kill.

Personally I'd much prefer if the disruptor didn't act as a banneling, but dealt damage over time around its radius. The mechanics would be the same: activate the spell, unit gets unkillable and moves fast but "radiates" a field around it ( that doesn't stack ) that deals X dps, like storm, and once its done the unit is slow and killable again.
dust7
Profile Joined March 2010
199 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-27 17:31:58
May 27 2015 17:31 GMT
#546
On May 28 2015 01:25 HallofPain4444 wrote:
Things that need to be adjusted

1. Parasitic bomb - Basically a storm that you can't dodge and stacks. There's nothing more OP right now, nothing even comes anywhere close imo. Nerfing the damage won't do too much cuz it stucks. When my Viking ball got hit by like maybe 2-3 PBombs they literally evaporate in like a second I can't even react fast enough to split, not that it would matter cuz I think even pro players, and even bots won't be able to do anything. There's no way to even nerf it, this thing just need to go, it makes all sorts of air compositions completely useless.

On that note, can you counter parasitic bomb by landing the affected viking?
Tresher
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany404 Posts
May 27 2015 18:08 GMT
#547
^ Jakatack tested this when the Beta came out afaik and there it worked.
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Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
May 27 2015 18:56 GMT
#548
The patch is live, and it is quite sad...
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