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Thanks to Reddit sleuths, everyone can try the LotV test maps by following instructions here. Note: This is not a beta key, it is simply access to Vs. AI and a Unit Tester. I have no idea how cool with this Blizzard is or is not, use at your own risk. |
On March 31 2015 07:47 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2015 07:45 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On March 31 2015 07:30 royalroadweed wrote:
After playing around with the cyclone more I've come to realize that it more than just a vulture + goliath. Its a vulture + goliath + seige tank. Fast movement speed, good anti-air and it also has long range and high damage. The cyclone is everything strong about brood war mech (the exception being the map control vultures and spider mines provided), with none of its weaknesses. It might be a perfect unit. Its only drawback is its cost, with isn't high enough to make them unmassable.
I don't think it should be good at all of those things. So basically it's another version of the warhound. A massable unit designed to be good at everything with no real weakness, which was scrapped because, it's a massable unit designed to be good at everything with no real weakness. Sadly a good summary. I'm pretty sure something called cyclone will make it to the final game because T just won't take another Warhound removal, but that something won't look like what we've got atm at all.
Blizzard time and time again has failed on design on so many levels in SC2. It's all been done. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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On March 31 2015 09:00 Deathstar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2015 08:51 Aocowns wrote:On March 31 2015 08:42 ZenithM wrote:On March 31 2015 08:13 GGzerG wrote:On March 31 2015 08:09 Aocowns wrote:
cant wait for this retarded mech bullshit to be over I have these same feelings man lol I'm sorry, what are you talking about haha? I'm not really following SC2 scene from that close so I might be missing something there. Mech is strong atm? not exactly strong, it's just retarded beyond comprehension if you're not very confident and patient against it, which only a few players on this fuckin earth are.. oh and then theres forgg being a faggot with his 10+ hellbat/banshee/medievac/marine/thor/whatever awkward unit composition timing attacks reviving his career and inspiring tons of terrans on ladder to doing the same thing and its making me really really really salty Mech is here to stay. Why don't you learn to play the game
because when you mass ravens there is no possible way to win the game. Thank god for lotv, bye bye terrans who do not belong.
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On March 31 2015 09:07 duckk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2015 09:00 Deathstar wrote:On March 31 2015 08:51 Aocowns wrote:On March 31 2015 08:42 ZenithM wrote:On March 31 2015 08:13 GGzerG wrote:On March 31 2015 08:09 Aocowns wrote:
cant wait for this retarded mech bullshit to be over I have these same feelings man lol I'm sorry, what are you talking about haha? I'm not really following SC2 scene from that close so I might be missing something there. Mech is strong atm? not exactly strong, it's just retarded beyond comprehension if you're not very confident and patient against it, which only a few players on this fuckin earth are.. oh and then theres forgg being a faggot with his 10+ hellbat/banshee/medievac/marine/thor/whatever awkward unit composition timing attacks reviving his career and inspiring tons of terrans on ladder to doing the same thing and its making me really really really salty Mech is here to stay. Why don't you learn to play the game because when you mass ravens there is no possible way to win the game. Thank god for lotv, bye bye terrans who do not belong.
dont let terran get there ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
"zerg isnt supposed to beat a maxed terran mech army" -david kim
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On March 31 2015 09:07 duckk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2015 09:00 Deathstar wrote:On March 31 2015 08:51 Aocowns wrote:On March 31 2015 08:42 ZenithM wrote:On March 31 2015 08:13 GGzerG wrote:On March 31 2015 08:09 Aocowns wrote:
cant wait for this retarded mech bullshit to be over I have these same feelings man lol I'm sorry, what are you talking about haha? I'm not really following SC2 scene from that close so I might be missing something there. Mech is strong atm? not exactly strong, it's just retarded beyond comprehension if you're not very confident and patient against it, which only a few players on this fuckin earth are.. oh and then theres forgg being a faggot with his 10+ hellbat/banshee/medievac/marine/thor/whatever awkward unit composition timing attacks reviving his career and inspiring tons of terrans on ladder to doing the same thing and its making me really really really salty Mech is here to stay. Why don't you learn to play the game because when you mass ravens there is no possible way to win the game. Thank god for lotv, bye bye terrans who do not belong.
Learn to read. He was complaining about ForGG mech timings that rarely go past 20 minutes.
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I've just noticed disruptors do friendly damage. So you can't use them vs melee units if they're near your units.
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According to reddit the Colossus range is 8 with thermal lance and the damage is down from 15 to 12. I remember seeing the range nerf but not that damage nerf.
is there a cost decrease? Is thermal lance +2 range now, or is the base range lower?
That's a huge nerf. If you go colossus first and terran hits you with +1 armor, that's 12 hits to kill a marauder instead of 9, while being much more vulnerable because of lower range and speed
On March 31 2015 09:11 darkness wrote:
I've just noticed disruptors do friendly damage. So you can't use them vs melee units because they're worse than mines.
Sure you can, you just have to control them properly. They're obviously bad when there's only a few zerglings, but even with pure melee unit vs melee unit they should be useful in combat past small scale.
Psi storm is extremely powerful against any kind of ground army and it has friendly fire too. You wouldn't attack with lings into a guy who had 50 zealots and 10 high templar, it would be a massacre
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On March 31 2015 09:09 royalroadweed wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2015 09:07 duckk wrote:On March 31 2015 09:00 Deathstar wrote:On March 31 2015 08:51 Aocowns wrote:On March 31 2015 08:42 ZenithM wrote:On March 31 2015 08:13 GGzerG wrote:On March 31 2015 08:09 Aocowns wrote:
cant wait for this retarded mech bullshit to be over I have these same feelings man lol I'm sorry, what are you talking about haha? I'm not really following SC2 scene from that close so I might be missing something there. Mech is strong atm? not exactly strong, it's just retarded beyond comprehension if you're not very confident and patient against it, which only a few players on this fuckin earth are.. oh and then theres forgg being a faggot with his 10+ hellbat/banshee/medievac/marine/thor/whatever awkward unit composition timing attacks reviving his career and inspiring tons of terrans on ladder to doing the same thing and its making me really really really salty Mech is here to stay. Why don't you learn to play the game because when you mass ravens there is no possible way to win the game. Thank god for lotv, bye bye terrans who do not belong. Learn to read. He was complaining about ForGG mech timings that rarely go past 20 minutes.
rofl my apologies for my emotional salt response being unclear, I did bitch about turtle mech as well, that was the first part. Forgg inspiring a hundred terrans into masters was (supposed to be) a digression
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On March 31 2015 09:11 darkness wrote:
I've just noticed disruptors do friendly damage. So you can't use them vs melee units because they're worse than mines.
You can use them with adepts. I don't think it affects the shades.
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Do we have a range for the warp prism pick-up?
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On March 31 2015 08:20 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2015 08:16 Cricketer12 wrote:On March 31 2015 07:57 rpgalon wrote:
Zealots are looking so weak in the unit test map, is there any composition the manlots are good against? looks like every unit in the game with an attack stat can outright kill or kite them cost for cost.
Zerglings with the new 40% atk speed upgrade are amazing, me gusta. the brood war in me is crying tears of joy...ANYONE IN GOLD NA, YOU'RE FUCKED We'll be seeing numerous cracklings on ladder.
meh my ZvZ was shit anyway so that's nothing new
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On March 31 2015 09:11 Aocowns wrote:
rofl my apologies for my emotional salt response being unclear, I did bitch about turtle mech as well, that was the first part. Forgg inspiring a hundred terrans into masters was (supposed to be) a digression
Cry more bro, if anything, mech will be stronger in LOTV
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Am I right in thinking the beta will be out in 3 hours?
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On March 31 2015 09:34 Alucen-Will- wrote:
Am I right in thinking the beta will be out in 3 hours?
Probably not, Blizzard is on the west coast and they'll probably release while they're at work, not at midnight.
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On March 31 2015 09:33 fried_rice wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2015 09:11 Aocowns wrote:
rofl my apologies for my emotional salt response being unclear, I did bitch about turtle mech as well, that was the first part. Forgg inspiring a hundred terrans into masters was (supposed to be) a digression Cry more bro, if anything, mech will be stronger in LOTV
It's not the cyclone that will weaken mech that's for sure. Tried that thing for a minute haha, it seems really cost efficient.
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On March 31 2015 07:45 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2015 07:30 royalroadweed wrote:
After playing around with the cyclone more I've come to realize that it more than just a vulture + goliath. Its a vulture + goliath + seige tank. Fast movement speed, good anti-air and it also has long range and high damage. The cyclone is everything strong about brood war mech (the exception being the map control vultures and spider mines provided), with none of its weaknesses. It might be a perfect unit. Its only drawback is its cost, with isn't high enough to make them unmassable.
I don't think it should be good at all of those things. So basically it's another version of the warhound. A massable unit designed to be good at everything with no real weakness, which was scrapped because, it's a massable unit designed to be good at everything with no real weakness.
It doesn't have aoe and is pretty expensive.
Warhound problem is that it could deal with everything early game too well and makes it snowball too hard.
I don't see this happening with cyclone at all
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On March 31 2015 09:44 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2015 07:45 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On March 31 2015 07:30 royalroadweed wrote:
After playing around with the cyclone more I've come to realize that it more than just a vulture + goliath. Its a vulture + goliath + seige tank. Fast movement speed, good anti-air and it also has long range and high damage. The cyclone is everything strong about brood war mech (the exception being the map control vultures and spider mines provided), with none of its weaknesses. It might be a perfect unit. Its only drawback is its cost, with isn't high enough to make them unmassable.
I don't think it should be good at all of those things. So basically it's another version of the warhound. A massable unit designed to be good at everything with no real weakness, which was scrapped because, it's a massable unit designed to be good at everything with no real weakness. It doesn't have aoe and is pretty expensive.
It definitely should be expensive for its stats. Yesterday on Jakatak's stream, I can't remember the real numbers but ~Cyclones killed ~7 Colossi on a-click without even being microed. I maybe got the numbers wrong but Jakatak was impressed with it, they really deal enormous amount of damage when locked-on.
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On March 31 2015 07:45 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
So basically it's another version of the warhound. A massable unit designed to be good at everything with no real weakness, which was scrapped because, it's a massable unit designed to be good at everything with no real weakness.
A unit that is good against everything?
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It's basically a Factory Marine then.
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On March 31 2015 09:56 fried_rice wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2015 07:45 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
So basically it's another version of the warhound. A massable unit designed to be good at everything with no real weakness, which was scrapped because, it's a massable unit designed to be good at everything with no real weakness. A unit that is good against everything? It's basically a Factory Marine then.
Marines are short range and fragile. They need support to be effective. It isn't 2010 anymore.
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On March 31 2015 09:44 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2015 07:45 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On March 31 2015 07:30 royalroadweed wrote:
After playing around with the cyclone more I've come to realize that it more than just a vulture + goliath. Its a vulture + goliath + seige tank. Fast movement speed, good anti-air and it also has long range and high damage. The cyclone is everything strong about brood war mech (the exception being the map control vultures and spider mines provided), with none of its weaknesses. It might be a perfect unit. Its only drawback is its cost, with isn't high enough to make them unmassable.
I don't think it should be good at all of those things. So basically it's another version of the warhound. A massable unit designed to be good at everything with no real weakness, which was scrapped because, it's a massable unit designed to be good at everything with no real weakness. It doesn't have aoe and is pretty expensive.
To be fair, the war hound didn't have splash either.
I'd like to see how it works in real games but my guess is that it's going to be very strong, it's very well rounded, as I think was the design intent but the lock on ability seem like a better fit for a unit that's more of a glass canon.
It seems to have some decent counters on the Z and maybe even P side the way it interacts with mobility but often the best thing to do when it locks on is to run away and the cooldown doesn't give enough time to capitalize on that. For TvT it just seems to kill anything that isn't a battlecruiser supply for supply, seeing it lock onto a tank then run out of siege range pelting it down despite svc's repairing the tank is a little depressing.
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On March 31 2015 10:02 royalroadweed wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2015 09:56 fried_rice wrote:On March 31 2015 07:45 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
So basically it's another version of the warhound. A massable unit designed to be good at everything with no real weakness, which was scrapped because, it's a massable unit designed to be good at everything with no real weakness. A unit that is good against everything? It's basically a Factory Marine then. Marines are short range and fragile. They need support to be effective. It isn't 2010 anymore.
I'm just joking :D Maybe blizzard wants to add a well rounded factory unit, analogue to marines? To be fair I have no idea how Blizzard comes up with these ideas for units. It seems they just come up with random stuff instead of actually analyzing what each race needs.
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