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LotV closed beta announced to start on March 31 - Page 131

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Thanks to Reddit sleuths, everyone can try the LotV test maps by following instructions here.

Note: This is not a beta key, it is simply access to Vs. AI and a Unit Tester. I have no idea how cool with this Blizzard is or is not, use at your own risk.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
April 01 2015 13:34 GMT
#2601
yei, Stephano is streaming. And he is all about the Host, bout the Hosts, no real units.
TheSayo182
Profile Joined September 2012
Italy243 Posts
April 01 2015 13:50 GMT
#2602
anyone knows if there will be new waves of keys very soon?
"Remember: Probes & Pylons and when behind Dark Shrine!"
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
April 01 2015 13:51 GMT
#2603
On April 01 2015 22:50 TheSayo182 wrote:
anyone knows if there will be new waves of keys very soon?

Nobody knows. I would expect there to be a new 'wave' at least within a week though.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
April 01 2015 13:52 GMT
#2604
On April 01 2015 22:50 TheSayo182 wrote:
anyone knows if there will be new waves of keys very soon?

I believe that there aren't keys, just players getting their accounts flagged?
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Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
April 01 2015 13:56 GMT
#2605
On April 01 2015 22:34 Big J wrote:
yei, Stephano is streaming. And he is all about the Host, bout the Hosts, no real units.

He is playing mech style Zerg right now though, with a ton of Spines, Spores, Lurkers, Roaches, Lings and new Swarm Hosts.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3301 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-01 14:11:25
April 01 2015 14:01 GMT
#2606
LotV beta is an improvement from HotS, but I just wish SC2 armies were larger. On top of inflated unit supply costs, so much supply is put into workers. T_T
T P Z sagi
TheSayo182
Profile Joined September 2012
Italy243 Posts
April 01 2015 14:03 GMT
#2607
On April 01 2015 22:52 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2015 22:50 TheSayo182 wrote:
anyone knows if there will be new waves of keys very soon?

I believe that there aren't keys, just players getting their accounts flagged?


Yes, if i understood well they just send a e-mail that you are in, just wanted to know for how long i have to spam F5 in my mail box XD
"Remember: Probes & Pylons and when behind Dark Shrine!"
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
April 01 2015 14:03 GMT
#2608
On April 01 2015 23:03 TheSayo182 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2015 22:52 The_Templar wrote:
On April 01 2015 22:50 TheSayo182 wrote:
anyone knows if there will be new waves of keys very soon?

I believe that there aren't keys, just players getting their accounts flagged?


Yes, if i understood well they just send a e-mail that you are in, just wanted to know for how long i have to spam F5 in my mail box XD

Not as long as I will, probably ;;
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50600 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-01 14:04:41
April 01 2015 14:04 GMT
#2609
cyclone seems more broken than I thought.

can we just replace it with the Neo Armstrong Cyclone Jet Armstrong Cannon.
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Rain100
Profile Joined July 2010
38 Posts
April 01 2015 14:04 GMT
#2610
aside from balance this beta looks really good so far imo.
i think the best way is to stick to as many changes as possible and see how it all works out over the next weeks.
but feels way more micro/smaller fight orientated which i really like
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Clubfan
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
Germany913 Posts
April 01 2015 14:13 GMT
#2611
On April 01 2015 23:03 TheSayo182 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2015 22:52 The_Templar wrote:
On April 01 2015 22:50 TheSayo182 wrote:
anyone knows if there will be new waves of keys very soon?

I believe that there aren't keys, just players getting their accounts flagged?


Yes, if i understood well they just send a e-mail that you are in, just wanted to know for how long i have to spam F5 in my mail box XD

My account got flagged, it's shown on the battle.net account dashboard as an extra game.
Didn't get an email though.
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purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3301 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-01 14:39:13
April 01 2015 14:36 GMT
#2612
Cyclone sounds way too much like the raven. The mechanical voice of the raven was always distinct to itself.

Edit: Nevermind. Seems like Blizzard just hasn't put any sounds for it and took the raven's verbatim.
T P Z sagi
Magnifico
Profile Joined March 2013
1958 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-01 14:50:00
April 01 2015 14:49 GMT
#2613
So far the warpgate nerf seems a bit off I'd say.

Does anyone have thoughts on the new marauder?
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-01 15:05:33
April 01 2015 15:04 GMT
#2614
On April 01 2015 23:49 Tiaraju9 wrote:
So far the warpgate nerf seems a bit off I'd say.

Does anyone have thoughts on the new marauder?

i dont know any other match ups but z that well, but shouldnt that make gateway armies a lot more viable in PvT?
with the addition of adept it'd be cool to see a gatway centric playstyle
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Espers
Profile Joined August 2009
United Kingdom606 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-01 15:06:45
April 01 2015 15:06 GMT
#2615
disruptor looks really fun and allows for defending with small supply counts. ravager is good way of fixing the problem where Zerg could easily be stuck on a useless army of roaches that can't do anything. WG nerf, zergling buff and economy changes will promote more spread-out action I think, which is awesome. I think colossus won't 1 shot zerglings at +3 anymore so zerglings might be useful vs Protoss deathballs.


cyclones look really dumb though, just having them kite roaches up to 14 range is the most boring interaction you can get. adepts I think will excel at killing workers over anything else, oracle all over again. warp prism pick-up range reduces the exciting risk/reward of those kinds of moves imo.

viper spell might break up air deathballs hard which could be a good thing, interested to see how nydus worms work out..
ohmylanta1003
Profile Joined February 2015
United States128 Posts
April 01 2015 15:26 GMT
#2616
On April 01 2015 15:13 TT1 wrote:
as expected adepts arent very good, they dont fill a specific role for protoss. it just feels like a gimmicky early game unit, i mean why would you ever get the bounce upgrade anyways? its not even a mass-able middgame/lategame unit.

at the very least give it an air attack so protoss can have a solid anti muta option, w/ their bounce upgrade protoss would have a viable/fast response to mutas.


Adepts are going to be very good against early pushes from the Terran, which Protoss has been struggling to deal with in recent times (at least in Korea). They wreck pure marine comps. Also, Protoss has the best anti-Muta option in the game: pheonixes. How could you possibly complain about Mutas in ZvP?
ohmylanta1003
Profile Joined February 2015
United States128 Posts
April 01 2015 15:29 GMT
#2617
On April 01 2015 17:14 TT1 wrote:
every protoss unit has an ability that requires a seperate hotkey , why cant we just have an a movey unit like the other races? do we really have to hotkey every fucking type of unit separately? sentries have guardian shield/ff, hts have storm, disruptors have their explosion thingy (and theyre most likely gonna replace the colossus in most p comps), phoenixs have disruption beam, voids have prismatic alignment and stalkers have blink.. hard life :[

the immortal nerf hurts a shitton vs zerg, protoss doesnt really have an answer to roachs/ravagers


Yes you do. You still have the immortal.
spoonmaster
Profile Joined May 2012
United States347 Posts
April 01 2015 15:32 GMT
#2618
On April 02 2015 00:26 ohmylanta1003 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2015 15:13 TT1 wrote:
as expected adepts arent very good, they dont fill a specific role for protoss. it just feels like a gimmicky early game unit, i mean why would you ever get the bounce upgrade anyways? its not even a mass-able middgame/lategame unit.

at the very least give it an air attack so protoss can have a solid anti muta option, w/ their bounce upgrade protoss would have a viable/fast response to mutas.


Adepts are going to be very good against early pushes from the Terran, which Protoss has been struggling to deal with in recent times (at least in Korea). They wreck pure marine comps. Also, Protoss has the best anti-Muta option in the game: pheonixes. How could you possibly complain about Mutas in ZvP?

It's hard to get phoenixes up if you don't have the infrastructure for it. It used to be you'd be okay with enough blink stalkers to hold on to get to storm as a proper defense, but now phoenixes are the only way to truly defend.

The thing that exacerbated this is the blink research time nerfs and the fact that blink/storm can no longer catch up to muta's HotS speed. I don't know if changing the adept is the right answer though.
ohmylanta1003
Profile Joined February 2015
United States128 Posts
April 01 2015 15:35 GMT
#2619
On April 01 2015 17:57 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
I'm talking about situations where all you really do with your units is pre-spreading them and then letting them fight without you intervening.


Well in the case of larger units, such as Colossus and Immortals, they are obvious targets to be focus fired. With proper micro you should be able to pull them back, but unfortunately protoss has been designed around this not really being practical in 99% of all situations.

Moreover, assuming the Immortal had a slightly higher range (around 7), it would also be further rewarded to target fire enemy armored units with it.


I don't understand what the "99% of situations" is referring to. Are you saying that in 99% of situations, Protoss can't pull back their Colossi?
ohmylanta1003
Profile Joined February 2015
United States128 Posts
April 01 2015 15:42 GMT
#2620
On April 01 2015 19:30 ETisME wrote:
Units can also have characteristics with their presence.

We shouldn't just look at units and their counter micro and judge if it has a place in the game or not.

phenoix opening doesn't offer a lot of counter micro but it is interesting because it allows protoss to have map control early on, force zerg to play blind.

Muta against protoss another example, finding holes in defense, force protoss to turtle, complete map dominance.

It helps to make game a lot more dynamic even if there isn't a lot of micro actions going on.

Also I don't think siege tank drop is that effective after the meta stabilized. Hard to say of cause


Huk and Rotterdam were both saying yesterday that Pheonix openings are really great, probably for the reason you stated. Recently, most Stargate openings have used the Oracle. I wonder if we'll be seeing Pheonix more often now.
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