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[Patch 11.6] Battle Academia General Discussion

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AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
March 17 2021 00:09 GMT
#1
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Patch 11.6: Live on Mar. 17, 2021

Team Fight Tactics Patch 11.6 Live on Mar. 17, 2021

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Patch 11.5 The Bees Knees General Discussion
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Lunar Beast Skins Release Discussion]Patch 11.3 Lunar Beast Skins Release Discussion
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Que Sera Sera
AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
March 17 2021 23:15 GMT
#2
How does everyone feel about Riot promoting alternate build paths for champs already struggling?

Not sure how AP Xin, even if strong, matches the Xin fantasy. At the very least, AP Twitch (despite how annoying it is), is rather similar to the AD Twitch playstyle.

Also, in ARAM news. Akali CONTINUES to get buffed what the fuck.
Que Sera Sera
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35118 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-18 02:14:37
March 18 2021 02:14 GMT
#3
On March 18 2021 08:15 AdsMoFro wrote:
How does everyone feel about Riot promoting alternate build paths for champs already struggling?

Not sure how AP Xin, even if strong, matches the Xin fantasy. At the very least, AP Twitch (despite how annoying it is), is rather similar to the AD Twitch playstyle.

Also, in ARAM news. Akali CONTINUES to get buffed what the fuck.

I'm gonna have to agree with Meteos on this. Why the fuck is Riot caring about buffing an AP build for Xin, when his intended AD build sucks ass? How about to make him not shit at what he's *supposed* to be doing before worrying about PoE wannabes?
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
March 18 2021 12:23 GMT
#4
Honestly I just think its stupid that Riot proposed THEIR unique ideas but god forbid the community comes up with something on their own. This exact same patch they're buffing Pyke because they forced him out of mid lane. So AP Xin, their own idea, good to go. Pyke flexing, an idea they didn't come up with FUCK NO.

Pick a lane, either allow unique builds/positions to flourish or don't. Don't be so arrogant that the only off meta solutions must be your own
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
March 18 2021 15:14 GMT
#5
I agree with what Chipmonklord said except that I think this should also apply to Soraka solo lane, and the community begged Riot to remove her
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DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
March 19 2021 09:27 GMT
#6
Also, in ARAM news. Akali CONTINUES to get buffed what the fuck.


I loved the Reddit discussion on it, a lot of people defending Riot's decision making here. Food for thought: If a champ can get such massive buffs and still has a 43% winrate, does that not either imply the champion is always going to be garbage on ARAM, or that the current meta picks are good against her, regardless of stats? I've been picking Akali whenever I see her to try and figure out what is wrong with the champ, and I think it's the latter.

- Sucks vs proper poke+disengage comps because she can't get into range.
- Assassins generally suck vs stacked Moonstone + Exhaust comps. I had an Akali game where me and Zed jumped on Ezreal, who killed us both and came out with full health. Zed had Serpent Fang and we both had GW, but Yuumi + Karma with Moonstone and Exhaust turns anyone into a 5k tank. Unlike SR, it is not uncommon to play vs double Exhaust
- Sucks vs high/instant CC comps. Especially true if you are the only melee on your team and get focused.
- People don't know how to play her: bad builds, bad masteries (blind picking Conqueror is risky), bad playstyle. She is a hard champion, most people on SR suck at her too.

Imo, Riot needs to remove Moonstone and start balancing the game mode based on that.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
March 19 2021 22:45 GMT
#7
If you're playing Akali in aram, on this patch, and you think she's bad, idk how to save your soul.

The buff she got regularly was already really good for aram and then she got a % buff on the literal same patch, genius.

- Sucks vs proper poke+disengage comps because she can't get into range.

This is every melee. Only Akali has her own mobility so it's actually less applicable to her.

- Assassins generally suck vs stacked Moonstone + Exhaust comps. I had an Akali game where me and Zed jumped on Ezreal, who killed us both and came out with full health. Zed had Serpent Fang and we both had GW, but Yuumi + Karma with Moonstone and Exhaust turns anyone into a 5k tank. Unlike SR, it is not uncommon to play vs double Exhaust

Nothing in the game beats two (or more) supports, esp. if they both have exhaust. Doesn't have anything to do with Akali either.
btw zed with eclipse+ravenous easily outheals ez's solo damage so he probably built wrong.

- Sucks vs high/instant CC comps. Especially true if you are the only melee on your team and get focused.

If your only melee is an assassin you've already lost. Unless you have 3 supports I guess, the only 'comp' strong enough to not need a frontline.

- People don't know how to play her: bad builds, bad masteries (blind picking Conqueror is risky), bad playstyle. She is a hard champion, most people on SR suck at her too.

not knowing how to play her might still be true but she's broken enough that this should balance out soon enough.
As for builds I've seen her clean house with a titanic hydra rush. +20%-20% is one hell of a drug. I wouldn't be surprised if people started building her tanky (with maybe a riftmaker still as mythic) since you still deal tons of damage and you can just choose to be unkillable on top.


on the side, her winrate in EUW actually shows at ~55% atm, which is actually insane for an assassin. And I expect it to go up more as people learn and adjust builds.
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chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-20 01:18:20
March 20 2021 01:17 GMT
#8
Why does Riot allow you to level Zilean W level 1? Am I missing something? I swear Riot usually locks you into an ability you need (Yuumi) or locks you out of abilities you can't use (Azir I think, its been a hot minute) at level 1. Does it have a passive I forgot about? I've been playing a bit of Zilean support and I never put together how odd it is that Riot lets you take a completely worthless ability
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-20 03:08:31
March 20 2021 02:58 GMT
#9
It’s been locked for years if it’s not now it’s a bug in this patch. I just checked in my game and I have the same thing but I’m not sure when it started because I just Started playing for the first time this season. I tried googling it and it seems to be a reoccurring problem, which is weird.
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DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
March 20 2021 17:14 GMT
#10
I was only trying to list possible reasons why she had a low winrate, and wrote that post it before patch 11.6 had a meaningful sample size. But ngl, didn't expect her winrate to jump like that, the last few times I looked at her she had bottom 5 winrate on ARAM, only giga garbage like Nunu and Rammus were lower.

Most of my points can be applied generally to melee champs on ARAM, yes. ADC + supports dominate the top winrate list, melee exceptions like Akali, Kled, Camille, Leona, Trundle, Orrn are all either very mobile or have S tier CC.

The buff she got regularly was already really good for aram and then she got a % buff on the literal same patch, genius.

The same thing happened with Eve, and she still has her crazy buffs, which is terrifying vs someone who understands she can flash ult someone for half health. If you filter to only look at the games of top 20% (Plat) players, you can see how messed up buff/nerfs are for those people.
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-22 22:30:35
March 22 2021 22:27 GMT
#11
Is it just me or is Everfrost just completely broken? I've been playing mid for over a week and I honestly dont think there's a champion I dont want it on. Having hard CC (potential AoE and damage!) feels so much stronger than just the extra damage from things like Ludens. Add the by far best build path, way base stats and it just feels like a no-brainer on everyone. Heck, I'd even consider it on Rumble and Mordekaiser.

On March 21 2021 02:14 DarkCore wrote:
I was only trying to list possible reasons why she had a low winrate, and wrote that post it before patch 11.6 had a meaningful sample size. But ngl, didn't expect her winrate to jump like that, the last few times I looked at her she had bottom 5 winrate on ARAM, only giga garbage like Nunu and Rammus were lower.

Akali had/has a low winrate because people played and build her as you would on SR. With her insane buff you can build her quite bulky and she will still oneshot people. The ARAM specific buffs dramatically change how you play and build certain champions which a lot of people outside high MMR ignore.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8614 Posts
March 23 2021 03:40 GMT
#12
On March 23 2021 07:27 Jek wrote:
Is it just me or is Everfrost just completely broken? I've been playing mid for over a week and I honestly dont think there's a champion I dont want it on. Having hard CC (potential AoE and damage!) feels so much stronger than just the extra damage from things like Ludens. Add the by far best build path, way base stats and it just feels like a no-brainer on everyone. Heck, I'd even consider it on Rumble and Mordekaiser.

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On March 21 2021 02:14 DarkCore wrote:
I was only trying to list possible reasons why she had a low winrate, and wrote that post it before patch 11.6 had a meaningful sample size. But ngl, didn't expect her winrate to jump like that, the last few times I looked at her she had bottom 5 winrate on ARAM, only giga garbage like Nunu and Rammus were lower.

Akali had/has a low winrate because people played and build her as you would on SR. With her insane buff you can build her quite bulky and she will still oneshot people. The ARAM specific buffs dramatically change how you play and build certain champions which a lot of people outside high MMR ignore.

yeah everfrost is stacked with stats atm. doesnt make sense that it has the same ap/mana/haste/cost as the others. imo they should lower the ap by 10 or maybe lower the mana. i hope they dont get rid of the hp
DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
March 23 2021 09:12 GMT
#13
The root integrates very well into a lot of champion combos. Ex: You're inside Veigar E, and he roots you for a guaranteed W: Fizz can root people while on his troll pole, fun to catch people off guard. If Cho hits a Q, he can get his full combo off without counterplay if you have no tenacity (usually the time for him to waddle towards you and silence is enough to flash away). I think the root would be balanced if the animation were a bit slower, and if the CD were doubled.

On March 23 2021 07:27 Jek wrote:
Is it just me or is Everfrost just completely broken? I've been playing mid for over a week and I honestly dont think there's a champion I dont want it on. Having hard CC (potential AoE and damage!) feels so much stronger than just the extra damage from things like Ludens. Add the by far best build path, way base stats and it just feels like a no-brainer on everyone. Heck, I'd even consider it on Rumble and Mordekaiser.

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On March 21 2021 02:14 DarkCore wrote:
I was only trying to list possible reasons why she had a low winrate, and wrote that post it before patch 11.6 had a meaningful sample size. But ngl, didn't expect her winrate to jump like that, the last few times I looked at her she had bottom 5 winrate on ARAM, only giga garbage like Nunu and Rammus were lower.

Akali had/has a low winrate because people played and build her as you would on SR. With her insane buff you can build her quite bulky and she will still oneshot people. The ARAM specific buffs dramatically change how you play and build certain champions which a lot of people outside high MMR ignore.


Very true, she's a champion that really needs to think her build through on ARAM (People pick Riftmaker/Night Harvester without considering the enemy team, and a lot of people refuse to buy Zhonyas). Also, I just checked and apparently the most common EUW ARAM keystone is Electrocute, lol. And only 50% of players pick PoM on her, pretty disturbing.
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
March 23 2021 17:21 GMT
#14
Ah. Speak of the devil, Everfrost is getting nerfed. From patch preview:

Damage: 125 + 35% AP -> 100 + 30% AP
Cooldown: 20 -> 30

I dont think it touch on what the core issue is IMO. Some champions are just not meant to have instanous hard CC easily available. The health combined with it's CC make it so much harder to be ganked too. While I dont play him Cho'Gath as mentioned by DarkCore is a good example. 30s is still a short cooldown on such a strong active item, with Ravenous Hunter being such heavily nerfed and me loving Hourglass I usually take Igneous Hunter anyway which IMO is also a lowkey broken mastery simply for working on Trinkets.

Dont know if the damage nerf is to break a threshold where you can/could use it to full wave clear on a single rotation. The item is just perfectly well-rounded IMO. Insane base stats, a buildpath that basically mean you will never have an awkward back, allow you to build early health probably the strongest stat in early game and it's mythic passive is actually pretty decent too.

I know there'll always be a technically 'best' item but it just feels a bit too 'best' if that makes sense.
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DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
March 23 2021 20:27 GMT
#15
I think the item will still be strong even after that nerf. Nobody cares about the damage, it's nice that they nerfed the early burst, but the root is still the same. The wave clear part is still there too, why not nerf it to do only 50% dmg to minions?

Lots of Mythic actives synergize really well with certain champ kits (besides being high utility themselves), Riot is going to spend forever trying to adjust them so multiple items are viable. Can't wait to see everyone at Worlds build the same items every single game.

Lots of Mythic items are high utility and not about damage (despite looking like it at first glance). I don't think Riot will ever be able to make them all viable, there will always be a 'best' because one of them will have the best utility and thus define the meta. Like Goredrinker outclassing the other bruiser items, and then Stridebreaker replacing it immediately after. Start of the season Liandries was busted, and then as soon as Everfrost got a buff it dominates the entire mid lane.
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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-23 21:58:53
March 23 2021 21:56 GMT
#16
I agree with you guys nobody gives a shit about the damage lol nice job riot balance team

I don't personally think everfrost is as broken as stridebreaker because I can at least make a case for buffed Luden's on some champions, Stridebreaker makes the other bruiser mythics feel like trash.
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DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-23 22:18:14
March 23 2021 22:17 GMT
#17
A lot of Luden champs are buying Everfrost because the root is just too good, if they really need the MS they go Phase Rush, like Ryze for example. Hence why I'm surprised Riot didn't try to adjust that aspect of the item.
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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-23 22:20:17
March 23 2021 22:19 GMT
#18
Luden's is used for stacking mpen (at least in the instance of Fizz)
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chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-26 00:53:39
March 26 2021 00:53 GMT
#19
I just played against a twitch support, and while he did run it the fuck down he did eventually complete Everfrost. That shit is ridiculous, he could from stealth pop out and slow me with zero counter-play except hope he was in range of a pink. I imagine in the hands of someone not garbage Everfrost Shaco/twitch could be rather good now that Riot gave AP twitch its weird stamp of kind of approval
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-26 02:00:51
March 26 2021 01:59 GMT
#20
Twitch support feels like playing with a Kayle to me. it's just a black hole of negative tempo then he hits 3(mayybe 2) item spike and the enemy team has to handhold everywhere they go.
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M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4103 Posts
March 26 2021 11:11 GMT
#21
I havent play league in 2 months, but last thing I remember is that Everfrost was a big dipshit item. I was trying to build it on swain and it was such a disappointment. Did something happen? Why are you all praising it like that
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evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8614 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-26 11:22:29
March 26 2021 11:21 GMT
#22
On March 26 2021 20:11 M2 wrote:
I havent play league in 2 months, but last thing I remember is that Everfrost was a big dipshit item. I was trying to build it on swain and it was such a disappointment. Did something happen? Why are you all praising it like that

same cost but better stats as liandrys/ludens.
the active has always been good, the item was just too weak before.
now its just as strong as the others but you get more hp on top, a good build path and the utility is the same.
DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
March 26 2021 11:48 GMT
#23
Yeah, the item got a lot of buffs, Riot didn't approach it slowly. Build path change and cast time were the biggest buffs imo.

On a sidenote, I think people are slowly starting to realize that Muramana can be built on a lot more champions than previously realized. Sylas for example, or AP Varus. The fact it procs off abilities makes for some very fun interactions, for example Runaan bolts all proc Muramana.
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
March 26 2021 12:06 GMT
#24
Wait Runaan bolts count as abilities not autos? That sounds like a mistake
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-26 17:02:50
March 26 2021 16:54 GMT
#25
On March 26 2021 20:48 DarkCore wrote:
Yeah, the item got a lot of buffs, Riot didn't approach it slowly. Build path change and cast time were the biggest buffs imo.

On a sidenote, I think people are slowly starting to realize that Muramana can be built on a lot more champions than previously realized. Sylas for example, or AP Varus. The fact it procs off abilities makes for some very fun interactions, for example Runaan bolts all proc Muramana.

Haven't it always proced on Runaan's being an on-hit effect and all?

On March 26 2021 10:59 Slusher wrote:
Twitch support feels like playing with a Kayle to me. it's just a black hole of negative tempo then he hits 3(mayybe 2) item spike and the enemy team has to handhold everywhere they go.

Everfrost and Nashtors is all you need.

We occasionally play it in our 5 stack, level 1 cheese ganking mid is pretty fun usually they are forced to flash and spend their potions. You're so weak early it honestly doesnt really feel like getting behind exp hurt all that much compared to the immense lead you give your midlaner. You scale harder off items than levels anyway so a potential kill/assist >>>>>> exp. Always roam never not roam and yes your ADC will hate you even if you're premade friends in discord just playing for funsies. :D

Competing with bard as the most fun support.
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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
March 26 2021 17:37 GMT
#26
Am I the only one who thinks it would be cooler to play as the Gwen doll in the teaser? I was disappointed at the end when she just turns into a human.
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Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9132 Posts
March 26 2021 17:40 GMT
#27
After seeing this...

+ Show Spoiler +


I was expecting a cute goblin like Lulu, but instead of that they made this plastic doll...

+ Show Spoiler +


Her kit looks interesting, but I'm worried about her tiny model and flashy animations. Team fights with her will look like a mess and her hitbox might be unintuitively small/large.
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M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4103 Posts
March 26 2021 18:15 GMT
#28
key words: China, Ka-ching xD
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
March 26 2021 22:06 GMT
#29
Yeah, anime waifus sell skins like hotcakes. I would have also enjoyed an Annie Tibbers counterpart, not every doll has to be evil.
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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
March 26 2021 22:26 GMT
#30
I do think her abilities look cool anyway so I’m interested, looks like she has some form of cc immunity meaning she’ll probably be a meta staple
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M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4103 Posts
March 27 2021 08:15 GMT
#31
Which one of the 6 promised champs per year Gwen is supposed to be? Is Viego the jungler (I see him mid/top often) and then Gwen is the ap mid or what?
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
March 27 2021 15:00 GMT
#32
On March 27 2021 17:15 M2 wrote:
Which one of the 6 promised champs per year Gwen is supposed to be? Is Viego the jungler (I see him mid/top often) and then Gwen is the ap mid or what?

From Riot designer she is a AP skirmisher design for top.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4103 Posts
March 28 2021 06:44 GMT
#33
On March 28 2021 00:00 Jek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2021 17:15 M2 wrote:
Which one of the 6 promised champs per year Gwen is supposed to be? Is Viego the jungler (I see him mid/top often) and then Gwen is the ap mid or what?

From Riot designer she is a AP skirmisher design for top.

What? You serious ? Someone at Riot said lets do an AP bruiser and how should an AP user looks like ? Like an anime girl, thats how. Surely people who enjoy bruiser playstyles will fall in love with that xD
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9132 Posts
March 28 2021 12:04 GMT
#34
She's supposed to be more like Fiora than Jax.
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