On June 06 2018 15:13 cLutZ wrote:

This is kind of what I am thinking. Kill lanes are kinda historically bad. Maybe Pyke is different than Lee Sin support and Jarvan and Leblanc and Irelia and all the other gimmicky options, but maybe not. At least some of those are able to build to initiate to transition out of laning.

Ironically (for me)*, Pyke might be an anti-assassination support. You pick Pyke into a soloQ team with Zed + Kha + Jax and then just camp your own ADC and CC/Execute the first one to come at you. Basically its a niche strat that probably isn't any better than just picking Janna and Kiting, but it might work. Then again, it would probably work for support Lee Sin too if all his HP was transformed into AD instead.

Not sure what you are saying here. You are saying against assasssins you try to instagib them? Pyke doesn't seem like he has the instant CC that's effective in shutting down assassins. Assassins are weak to instant CC or shields which stop him one shotting his target. Pykes kit seems like it's for pulling in a carry and then stun+collapse and reset with ult.

On June 06 2018 15:39 cLutZ wrote:

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TBH, depending on the situation thats a win for a support.

I'm not sure why assassins would try to target pyke because of his passive?? He's squishy, sure, but he doesn't really do anything lel. If you kill the enemy AD or mid it will have a much larger effect, it's just he's going to be a juicier target than even a squishy support. Except normally assassins which go for squishy supports are easy deal with because you can trade their life or at least most of their hp for a support who isn't really needed as much once the assassin is out of the fight.

On June 06 2018 15:13 cLutZ wrote:

*This is basically like the Olaf option someone once suggested for me that I scoffed at, where they said Olaf should not dive the backline, but just use his W/Ult to kill enemy divers.

I mean depending on the situation both are viable options. I think the problem with this on olaf is that once your ult is gone you are too easy to kite out. I think if you save your ult and kill someone who is overdiving it might be more effective than You going 1v4 and dying and then some tankier guy going 1v4 and dying more slowly. I'm not an olaf player but it seems like the ideal situation for olaf is having say an engaging tank and a shield support which allow you to just jump on squishies while the whole team tries and fails to focus you down.
The next best option seems like the enemy front line diving in and you just going and killing 1-2 while they can't kill you fast enough and can't kite without CC.

The worst situation is you just jumping in and instadying so I think in a teamfight where they are looking to focus you hanging back for a while would make sense and why not get some extra damage on some tank until the enemies commit more.

Sent.

Poland9173 Posts

June 06 2018 16:51 GMT

#103

I keep getting top lane when queueing as fill, where did all those people interested in playing support come from?

JimmiC

Canada22817 Posts

June 06 2018 16:53 GMT

#104

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Jek

Denmark2771 Posts

June 06 2018 17:54 GMT

#105

On June 07 2018 01:51 Sent. wrote:
I keep getting top lane when queueing as fill, where did all those people interested in playing support come from?

Many patches ago. I queue mostly support/top or support/fill and get top almost as frequently as support.

Gahlo

United States35131 Posts

June 06 2018 18:38 GMT

#106

On June 07 2018 01:51 Sent. wrote:
I keep getting top lane when queueing as fill, where did all those people interested in playing support come from?

top laners and junglers getting fed up with Riot's bullshit.

Slayer91

Ireland23335 Posts

June 06 2018 18:46 GMT

#107

prominence of split pushing makes top lane a lot more boring to play

jungling is a bit more of a technical farm fest which is more annoying to play if you dont main jungle

F1rstAssau1t

1341 Posts

June 06 2018 19:23 GMT

#108

So we are back in the era of the team with Lucian wins.

DarkCore

Germany4194 Posts

June 06 2018 19:54 GMT

#109

Honestly I like that Lucian is viable again, but ER just seems ridiculously broken on him. It's basically blue Ezreal all over again, a champion can exploit a certain item so ridiculously well that the meta revolves around him. Nerfing the champion basically means that once said item gets nerfed, they will hit rock bottom.

Slusher

United States19143 Posts

June 06 2018 20:06 GMT

#110

If you alpha strike before taric ult cast time completes does it still go off on the w’d yi? Asking for a friend

General_Winter

United States719 Posts

June 07 2018 13:01 GMT

#111

Mind blown. Taliyah is the highest win rate jungle in Korea. I figured after recent changes maybe she moved to support. I did not see this coming. But I suppose with 1 mana Q she is one of the few AP jungles without mana issues. And her passive means she can get to lanes quickly.

Jan1997

Norway671 Posts

June 07 2018 13:22 GMT

#112

On June 07 2018 22:01 General_Winter wrote:
Mind blown. Taliyah is the highest win rate jungle in Korea. I figured after recent changes maybe she moved to support. I did not see this coming. But I suppose with 1 mana Q she is one of the few AP jungles without mana issues. And her passive means she can get to lanes quickly.

I saw this on Tyler1's stream that he was playing with a Talliyah JG. Surprised me as well as I have more than 250 games under my belt this season and I've never seen her used in anything else than mid.

killerdog

Denmark6522 Posts

June 07 2018 14:06 GMT

#113

On June 07 2018 22:22 Jan1997 wrote:

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Might have something to do with the fact it wasn't viable until this patch :p

Jan1997

Norway671 Posts

June 07 2018 14:58 GMT

#114

Yes but at lower ELO where I am people are willing to try just about anything so I just didn't think about it until yesterday haha.

Slusher

United States19143 Posts

June 07 2018 17:01 GMT

#115

It’s really easy to play actually. I got auto filled to jungle and got 9 kills on my first try. Just wall in enemy bot lane at level 6 and the game is over.