EPTOn June 05 2018 04:37 Ansibled wrote:
Leblanc is a better support than mid lane
Leblanc is a better support than mid lane
ill take "champs that aren't melee" for $400 trebek
followed by "arguable statements stated as fact"
[Patch 8.11] Pyke General Discussion - Page 4
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
ill take "champs that aren't melee" for $400 trebek followed by "arguable statements stated as fact" | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
On June 05 2018 04:18 cLutZ wrote: I'm very confused about the idea of picking a melee assassin support with the goal of "sitting back" and waiting for regen. Wouldn't that be the strategy for, say, Janna/Soraka? This is a guy who's kit is basically Leona without tankiness combined with Diana without waveclear. I feel like he is Thresh with no tankiness. Weird pull into a stun.. except in order to stun you need to dive in or already be behind them. Then your ult is worthless because you have no damage. | ||
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General_Winter
United States719 Posts
To put another frame on it, his passive is basically warmogs. You step back out of combat and regenerate to full HP. Is the right way to play a warmogs champ to jump in like an assasin? | ||
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
On June 05 2018 11:01 General_Winter wrote: His passive is pretty much instant heal after a disengagement. Riot may call him an assasin for marketing, but from playing against him in arams the two actual points of power are the passive that heals damage as soon as out of sight and his CC. He takes damage, backs out passive gets him back to 80-90% and hp regen gets him the rest of the way. Then repeat. Eventually something lands and someone else capitalizes. Whatever riot may say, I look at his kit and think anyone building pure assasin is playing him wrong. To put another frame on it, his passive is basically warmogs. You step back out of combat and regenerate to full HP. Is the right way to play a warmogs champ to jump in like an assasin? Okay but he can't build HP. Period. If you have only faced him in arams why are you commenting on his dynamics on SR? | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On June 05 2018 11:01 General_Winter wrote: His passive is pretty much instant heal after a disengagement. Riot may call him an assasin for marketing, but from playing against him in arams the two actual points of power are the passive that heals damage as soon as out of sight and his CC. He takes damage, backs out passive gets him back to 80-90% and hp regen gets him the rest of the way. Then repeat. Eventually something lands and someone else capitalizes. Whatever riot may say, I look at his kit and think anyone building pure assasin is playing him wrong. To put another frame on it, his passive is basically warmogs. You step back out of combat and regenerate to full HP. Is the right way to play a warmogs champ to jump in like an assasin? The old, "low hp regen tank" archetype. A classic really. | ||
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
On June 05 2018 11:09 Bladeorade wrote: Okay but he can't build HP. Period. If you have only faced him in arams why are you commenting on his dynamics on SR? I think the point is Pyke in ARAM isn't spam dying despite being in a constant 5v5 situation on a map where flanking is even harder than on The Rift. Which is true, I've played as/against/with him and he does just fine - his passive is borderline broken in ARAM. Pyke doesn't seem like a bad champion to me. I think a large part of the issue is how unconventional he is, you cannot play him as a traditional support which means the standard composition sort of get thrown out of the window you need to play/pick around having an adc+assassin rather than adc+support botlane. It feels super awkward how you want to spam roam but need exp so desperately you cannot really afford it. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
Wait for the popularity to die down a bit, imo. Then we'll see what he really brings. | ||
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dsyxelic
United States1417 Posts
I've been doing pretty well with him the few games I played in soloq and flex at worst he's just a meh blitzcrank but the pull factor is still there at best you're a fucking melee support draven cash cow with executes his lvl 1 is also insane imo | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
Other people have speculated his WR will rise. I think its probable as his optimal runes and builds come into focus (unless they already are, then Fuuuuuuukkk), but in the end he has the problem of filling a niche that's never been successful before (assassin support) at a time when Riot's overall balance choices have disfavored all the things that would make it successful (hard engage, midlane assassins, low waveclear champions, 2v2 lane agression, etc). | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On June 05 2018 14:36 dsyxelic wrote: dunno how people are doing so badly on pyke I've been doing pretty well with him the few games I played in soloq and flex at worst he's just a meh blitzcrank but the pull factor is still there at best you're a fucking melee support draven cash cow with executes his lvl 1 is also insane imo Keep in mind he's the coolest support to come out since ever. a large percentage of his players are basically autofilled that would lose literally any lane | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
they used to pick blitz or bard or something a lot but this is another level | ||
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loSleb
Austria1389 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/Wg4vxXe.png) | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
I broke my fingers in my right hand so cant play, need all the juicy gossip I can get my hands on. Pyke not free gold?? | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On June 05 2018 22:22 Numy wrote: Was that a top lane pyke? I broke my fingers in my right hand so cant play, need all the juicy gossip I can get my hands on. Pyke not free gold?? No it was mid lane. ![[image loading]](https://i.gyazo.com/c7a801ef1a3b1a4d0ea90556a175a1a9.png) | ||
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Jan1997
Norway671 Posts
I'm just wondering because he's only been out for such a short time, and that doesn't give anybody good time to get really comfortable with playing him yet. | ||
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On June 05 2018 12:07 cLutZ wrote: The old, "low hp regen tank" archetype. A classic really. Swain worked well like that, he didn't build health apart from RoA. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On June 05 2018 21:18 loSleb wrote: PYKE is BUSTED you LITERALLY CANNOT LOSE with him: Putting this one on the banner my dude To be honest I think he’s mostly fine now, other than the auto fill thing already covered. The trend shifting to aftershock from electrocute helps him a lot I think. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On June 06 2018 03:36 Alaric wrote: Swain worked well like that, he didn't build health apart from RoA. Swain didn't work like that at all. He was an AOE mage that could draintank a bit because Zhonyas existed. He didn't frontline to absorb poke then run away and hide for a while only to return again thanks to his regen. If your trying to be cheeky at least bring up the semi-relevant example: Hextech Singed. But even he built for tankiness after. | ||
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