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On June 30 2017 17:28 Harem wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2017 10:51 dsyxelic wrote:
you just have to be disgustingly positive and its so easy to get honor
I did like 3 games in a row where I was ridiculously positive
mid dies 4 times before level 6 and gets flamed?
me: its ok guys we can do it!
me: sorry mid I'll ward for you soon!
me: hey you can do it man come on team lets do it!
no lie averaged at least 2 honors per game
I'd do it more if I didn't have to spend so much time typing to show how positive I am
gnar - not sure if he needed this buff. I thought he was in a pretty good place. playable, but not really good. I think he'll be pretty good now.
reksai - this guy is more than playable and they just buff him. wat
kindred - pretty hilarious how hard riot tries to make kindred playable without making her OP
ancient coin - holy moly this coin lol. the quest is so garbage but the gen stats..
zac - where is the zac nerf? Well, now they added an actual good quest reward for coin line aka return of Captain boot enchantment. Ancient Coin [Nomad's Medallion, Talisman of Ascension, Eye of the Oasis] The Quest reward for the Ancient Coin line of items has been changed from [Elixir of Skill] to [allies champions moving towards you gain 8% movement speed]
is that next patch? shit riot REALLY wants this item to become meta. definitely looks strong
On June 30 2017 22:25 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2017 15:02 dsyxelic wrote:
you might be surprised
some of the most ragiest people in game that I know IRL are some of the most normal and well liked people
i don't like playing games with them but they are pretty cool outside of games. dunno why games trigger them so hard though I used to be that person, they probably just spend too much time on the game. There's something about a 5 person team game with randoms that makes anyone annoyed if you dip too much time into it. I would never be BM while playing with anyone I know though
yeah they are the type of people that are extreme. like pour 12 hours a day into league for a certain period of time and then completely stop playing. a bunch of them are like that IRL too and tend to be pretty successful with what they do in terms of school/work since they go ham on it whether it is league or career/studies.
On June 30 2017 23:12 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2017 15:02 dsyxelic wrote:
you might be surprised
some of the most ragiest people in game that I know IRL are some of the most normal and well liked people
i don't like playing games with them but they are pretty cool outside of games. dunno why games trigger them so hard though Im not surprised at all. They are bottling up all their anger during real life. Prob being fake nice, them explode online where there is no consequences.
meh don't think you can generalize everyone like that. especially since I've known some of them for basically my entire life and they are some of the nicest people I know in person that back it up with action. It's just easy to start flaming people when everyone is doing it and you're spending hours every day on the game. if you played soloq every day for 13 hours for anything like a month I'd bet it'd be at least difficult for you too.
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On June 30 2017 23:12 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2017 15:02 dsyxelic wrote:
you might be surprised
some of the most ragiest people in game that I know IRL are some of the most normal and well liked people
i don't like playing games with them but they are pretty cool outside of games. dunno why games trigger them so hard though Im not surprised at all. They are bottling up all their anger during real life. Prob being fake nice, them explode online where there is no consequences.
that's such bullshit
real life for the most part is not a fast paced competitive environment, there's no reason to get angry because becky talks about Friends too much. When you're losing a game because someone else on your team is fucking up by doing stupid thing there's a fairly logical reason to get angry.
the time played isn't the cause of people getting toxic, but when people play a lot they are more attentive to details and more focused on the game so more likely to get annoyed at people less focused.
but getting mad is a function of mindset so if someone is playing more trying to get better he's going to be less toxic than some guy who plays casually who just lost his promos
i have brothers who used to go absolutely bat shit crazy when they had trouble even in single player games, like breaking shit slamming the desk constantly bat shit, but are calm in normal life
i feel in a way as a man your emotions are on "off mode" in casual life and work for the most part and then when you go to play your sports or games the on switch flicks because you actually are invested in the results.
maybe that's just the autism speaking though
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Lack of (meaningful) social contact is also a thing causing rage. There is no way of getting through to a teammate in an efficient manner, and so people's frustration surfaces quickly. Compare it to people getting frustrated with unknown software bugs or bureaucratic processes.
One of the reasons why reporting people for toxic behaviour and tribunal type stuff does not work, is imo because it ignores the underlying causes. It's treated as illness, not symptom. Not that I have a solution. I'm not sure some teamspeak like function for example would improve experience overall.
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I'm not sure where you're getting the ideas of manly and toughness being intrinsically linked to being mad. And I already mentioned getting mad a single player games where you have no actual person to be mad at
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I already explained why it occurs and he confirmed it, take it from some one that actually behaved like that in the past. Its very closely related to time sunk fallacy
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On July 02 2017 02:55 VayneAuthority wrote:
I already explained why it occurs and he confirmed it, take it from some one that actually behaved like that in the past. Its very closely related to time sunk fallacy
Also something that I didn't see teut or you mention is difference in priorities. For example if I want to get better and am tryharding people being retards is very frustrating while if you are in the "it's just a game bro" mode it doesn't matter. Although recently I tried playing with friends who are like bronze-g5 range and unless I am intoxicated in some way games aren't enjoyable at all lul.
Personally all the guys that rage in game that I know are either very calm or just retarded irl.
Also after playing soloq people being retards at work is so insanely easy to handle while most colleagues get really worked up for no reason. Playing league can be useful irl as well folks!
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On July 02 2017 08:59 nafta wrote:
Also after playing soloq people being retards at work is so insanely easy to handle while most colleagues get really worked up for no reason. Playing league can be useful irl as well folks!
plus like in real life, there is actually something else to do. always. and nothing is "the point" of life. but like league is about winning. there isn't anything in a loss due to someone else, but in life or like at work, you just avoid relying on that person in the future. unless you are the top of the ladder or maybe i guess the absolute bottom, you dont ever get that learning experience, its just a new random person that decides to try AP tryndamere in ranked or INTing or whatever.
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On July 02 2017 09:08 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2017 08:59 nafta wrote:
Also after playing soloq people being retards at work is so insanely easy to handle while most colleagues get really worked up for no reason. Playing league can be useful irl as well folks! plus like in real life, there is actually something else to do. always. and nothing is "the point" of life. but like league is about winning. there isn't anything in a loss due to someone else, but in life or like at work, you just avoid relying on that person in the future. unless you are the top of the ladder or maybe i guess the absolute bottom, you dont ever get that learning experience, its just a new random person that decides to try AP tryndamere in ranked or INTing or whatever.
I dunno winning isn't really the point of league for me. Playing relatively close games with people of similar skill level is way more fun regardless of result compared to just rolling kids.
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On July 02 2017 09:11 nafta wrote:
Playing relatively close games with people of similar skill level is way more fun regardless of result compared to just rolling kids.
I mean yeah but thats nothing to do with you. thats a system. if matchmaking is fucking up, nothing you can do about it.
Late game league is crazy frustrating though no matter the match, if it goes past 35-40 minutes its hell. win or lose trying to herd the team is so frustrating, but if you dont do it to avoid the frustration, you lose every close game. I long for those challenger matches where the herding is only necessary every other game.
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On July 02 2017 08:59 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2017 02:55 VayneAuthority wrote:
I already explained why it occurs and he confirmed it, take it from some one that actually behaved like that in the past. Its very closely related to time sunk fallacy Also after playing soloq people being retards at work is so insanely easy to handle while most colleagues get really worked up for no reason. Playing league can be useful irl as well folks!
Oh shit I never noticed that. Some of my friends get annoyed by silliest shit in work but always play with "its just a game bro" mentality even when they tryhard, whereas I rage even at single player games but never get angry at stuff outside of my control in job.
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On July 01 2017 05:40 dsyxelic wrote:
is that next patch? shit riot REALLY wants this item to become meta. definitely looks strong
It's funny because riot had no clue why people were buying the item the rare times they did. It was bought for the Hp per minion death and the regen stats. so they removed the hp regen on both parts, and then wondered why it was even worse than it was before.
Slowly adding stuff back is nice, but uh unless it's the "greed" item and you get more money per wave from it than you do from frost, then it might still not be worth getting. The other quests and items are stronger, so unless the coin completes much faster, or they buff the final upgrade (which should probably be made out of catalyst or forbidden idol instead of raptor cloak). i don't see it picking up in popularity.
Is there even a mana starved support that is good these days that wouldnt prefer the extra damage and gold from frost, or the health and tankiness from relic?
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On July 02 2017 04:14 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2017 01:49 Slayer91 wrote:
I'm not sure where you're getting the ideas of manly and toughness being intrinsically linked to being mad. And I already mentioned getting mad a single player games where you have no actual person to be mad at
I guess from my hockey where getting mad means fighting at least for adults. I think the biggest reason sports is not a comparable is the rage in lol is against teammates. If you notice in single person games people rage against "cheese" or op races. Again to stop them from taking responsibility
As someone who made into the low minors in hockey I have seen more then my fair share of teammates have it out even to the point that in college our captains had called for a no coaches practice so that people could "settle there differences". Team sports are really no different then league you have selfish players u have cocky players bad attitude and u have to make things work still. the main differences is you only have to play with them 1 game and while there are people that would have the balls to say the same things they say online to people's faces the number of strictly internet tough guys is huge not to mention the age gap of 13 year olds playing with 30 year olds. So While I don't believe in raging at teammates during game because I am competitive and that would lower my chances to win. I have no problem calling a guy out as our nexus goes down that I will never play with again.
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On July 02 2017 00:50 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2017 10:06 Slayer91 wrote:On June 30 2017 23:12 JimmiC wrote:On June 30 2017 15:02 dsyxelic wrote:
you might be surprised
some of the most ragiest people in game that I know IRL are some of the most normal and well liked people
i don't like playing games with them but they are pretty cool outside of games. dunno why games trigger them so hard though Im not surprised at all. They are bottling up all their anger during real life. Prob being fake nice, them explode online where there is no consequences. that's such bullshit real life for the most part is not a fast paced competitive environment, there's no reason to get angry because becky talks about Friends too much. When you're losing a game because someone else on your team is fucking up by doing stupid thing there's a fairly logical reason to get angry. the time played isn't the cause of people getting toxic, but when people play a lot they are more attentive to details and more focused on the game so more likely to get annoyed at people less focused. but getting mad is a function of mindset so if someone is playing more trying to get better he's going to be less toxic than some guy who plays casually who just lost his promos i have brothers who used to go absolutely bat shit crazy when they had trouble even in single player games, like breaking shit slamming the desk constantly bat shit, but are calm in normal life i feel in a way as a man your emotions are on "off mode" in casual life and work for the most part and then when you go to play your sports or games the on switch flicks because you actually are invested in the results. maybe that's just the autism speaking though I think sports are different because physical contact and consequences are possible. To me there is nothing "tough" about video game rage. Also i bet these guys you speak of are getting mad at the opponents not throwing poor me tantrums at there teammates. Its a totally bitchey "unmanly" thing to throw a tantrum at your own team. Once your an adult if you do this behavior you will likely be finding a new team.
You have it kind of backwards. The physical contact and exertion in real sports is why anger doesn't come out as much verbally (although it does, and sports teams that don't have players/coaches that scream at each other don't exist at those highest levels). Playing competitive games without raging requires you to manage your physical exertion elsewhere to burn off the stress hormones.
Edit, also, most important sports games don't end up feeling so "hopeless" as LOL games often do. And in those situations refs know to look for the losing team to start cheapshotting the winning team. Well, you can't cheap shot the other team in LOL.
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I mean. I disagree, if I account for chippiness and referees. Anytime my team in soccer was obviously better the other team would just start trying to injure us. Its not even subtle after kids turn 8 or 9, its just vicious. I was blown out a few times and my team basically turned into a flamefest of "empty mid" kids except for in the case of when I had (IMO) my best coach ever.
Since intentionally injuring opponents is both the #1 response of losing sports teams, and not available in LOL, its not surprising that the #2 response (blaming teammates) is the dominant paradigm.
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