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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
July 08 2017 17:15 GMT
#121
Well the issue with Urgot wasn't that his kit didn't contain tools to win, it's that riot didn't like the tools so they balanced him in such a way that he wasn't that good. can't really keep the old kit when that is the entire reason for the rework.
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
July 08 2017 17:52 GMT
#122
On July 09 2017 02:15 Slusher wrote:
Well the issue with Urgot wasn't that his kit didn't contain tools to win, it's that riot didn't like the tools so they balanced him in such a way that he wasn't that good. can't really keep the old kit when that is the entire reason for the rework.

I understand why they murdered his ult, its just what they do now, eliminate point and click. I don't get the end of long range homing missiles that required you to hit a short range skillshot.
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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
July 08 2017 18:07 GMT
#123
I mean you've been around here long enough to know how I feel, I'm just stating why it doesn't play anything like old Urgot
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iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
July 09 2017 01:33 GMT
#124
To be fair, I get them taking out the long rage homing missiles. That shit felt bad, one misstep and you just get cleaved and feel like you can't do anything. But its worse then when you literally can't do anything because yous till get to try, LOL.

Getting hit with Canister felt worse than being hit with fatal CC like Charm or Cacoon. Imo.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-09 02:52:47
July 09 2017 02:52 GMT
#125
They could have just made his ult instant when cast on allies, and he'd instantly be a support pick worth considering. but eh. they want him to be this evil executioner guy, and executioners have to not be supports in league, that has no relation to his old mechanics.
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-09 14:56:39
July 09 2017 14:54 GMT
#126
On July 09 2017 11:52 PrinceXizor wrote:
They could have just made his ult instant when cast on allies, and he'd instantly be a support pick worth considering. but eh. they want him to be this evil executioner guy, and executioners have to not be supports in league, that has no relation to his old mechanics.

Oh God. I'd love to see a support that's visually and thematically designed as this hulking evil brute, no merry goody two-shoes or emo like Thresh just a plain old menacing tool of violence. Yeah, I know Sion is a strong support, but I mean a champion that's actually meant to be played as support.

Retcon Alistar into a berserker rito.
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iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
July 09 2017 17:23 GMT
#127
I think like a legit king's executioner support would be cool. I think it kind of makes sense as a support thematically too... like no executioner went out and got a guy, they just chop heads off guys already tied up. I dunno if Medieval executioners even really knew how to fight.

Like R could be a guillotine just do big damage a guy who is CC'd by a teammate and then giving gold and/or stat bonuses to an Allie.

Q could be like giving a CC to an Allie's Auto-attack.
W could be like terrain-style CC (that doesn't work with his ult), cage or something similar to Anivia wall
E could be giving damage to an allie to help get them low enough to execute.

That would be sweet. Can confirm would play support. Rito pls.

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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
July 09 2017 21:00 GMT
#128
trundle's best role has been support for a while and the buffs only confirmed that, he is pretty much the only bad guy that is support right now. stoneborn is insane on him and his ultimate wasnt balanced around being used by a support. He legit has almost nothing that scales off anything, definition of just a big ball of stats for your team.
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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
July 10 2017 13:53 GMT
#129
On July 10 2017 06:00 VayneAuthority wrote:
trundle's best role has been support for a while and the buffs only confirmed that, he is pretty much the only bad guy that is support right now. stoneborn is insane on him and his ultimate wasnt balanced around being used by a support. He legit has almost nothing that scales off anything, definition of just a big ball of stats for your team.

Yah, but he's almost nothing other than a big ball of stats. He doesn't really offer much of anything in lane especially against ranged and he has what's perhaps the hardest skill shot in the game.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
July 10 2017 14:19 GMT
#130
On July 10 2017 22:53 geript wrote:
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On July 10 2017 06:00 VayneAuthority wrote:
trundle's best role has been support for a while and the buffs only confirmed that, he is pretty much the only bad guy that is support right now. stoneborn is insane on him and his ultimate wasnt balanced around being used by a support. He legit has almost nothing that scales off anything, definition of just a big ball of stats for your team.

Yah, but he's almost nothing other than a big ball of stats. He doesn't really offer much of anything in lane especially against ranged and he has what's perhaps the hardest skill shot in the game.


that's why hes a good meta counter right now, only blitz/thresh see play/bans in higher elo now, some rakan/janna/etc too but trundle also destroys rakan. you cant trap rakan like you can blitz/thresh but you can pillar his dash if you're good
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M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4186 Posts
July 10 2017 16:16 GMT
#131
On July 10 2017 22:53 geript wrote:
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On July 10 2017 06:00 VayneAuthority wrote:
trundle's best role has been support for a while and the buffs only confirmed that, he is pretty much the only bad guy that is support right now. stoneborn is insane on him and his ultimate wasnt balanced around being used by a support. He legit has almost nothing that scales off anything, definition of just a big ball of stats for your team.

Yah, but he's almost nothing other than a big ball of stats. He doesn't really offer much of anything in lane especially against ranged and he has what's perhaps the hardest skill shot in the game.

Why do you consider Trundle's E as the hardest skill shot in the game? I would say that its moderately hard actually. Of course if you want to hit the knock up always in the desired direction it could be one of the hardest, but most of the time you only need to block their path and slow them with a skill shot that has enormous range and insta cast.
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23460 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-10 17:16:04
July 10 2017 17:15 GMT
#132
trundle E being the hardest skillshot in the game is such a meme
no idea who's spreading that lel
its instant cast making it one of the easiest skillshots in the game automatically
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
July 10 2017 18:56 GMT
#133
guess it depends on what hes talking about, just blocking people with it or doing the knockup/slow = LOL

learning and mastering all the trundle pillar interactions you can do like blocking blitz hook/rakan dash/lee sin q/etc = very hard.

just the lee sin one has probably saved me 10-ish barons/dragons
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GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
July 10 2017 20:04 GMT
#134
Ditto using the Trundle pillar to trap people against walls.
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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-10 21:14:49
July 10 2017 21:13 GMT
#135
On July 11 2017 03:56 VayneAuthority wrote:
guess it depends on what hes talking about, just blocking people with it or doing the knockup/slow = LOL

learning and mastering all the trundle pillar interactions you can do like blocking blitz hook/rakan dash/lee sin q/etc = very hard.

just the lee sin one has probably saved me 10-ish barons/dragons

Blocking dashes is just a ping check while actually trapping people is significantly harder.

The only difficult part about blocking dashes is being really fast when your ping is high so you can make them stop on the right side of the pillar.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
July 10 2017 23:53 GMT
#136
guess ive played too much trundle then, that's just a knowledge thing like riven wall jumps knowing the places where you can do that. assuming everyone is on the same ping, still most people dont have fast enough reflexes to block things like lee Q or blitz hook.
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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
July 11 2017 07:25 GMT
#137
On July 11 2017 02:15 Slayer91 wrote:
trundle E being the hardest skillshot in the game is such a meme
no idea who's spreading that lel
its instant cast making it one of the easiest skillshots in the game automatically

Trundle's Pillar is capable of a shit ton more than just slow or block out a path. It's the various interactions capable similar to Thresh's flay. Like it's capable of literally cockblocking a huge number of plays, but unlike Flay it's much harder to time/hit .
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
July 11 2017 11:45 GMT
#138
If you pick Trundle to cockblock plays why dont you just play Janna~
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
July 11 2017 18:08 GMT
#139
You don't pick Janna to auto attack either, but if you don't you're doing it wrong. Lol.

VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-11 18:36:24
July 11 2017 18:33 GMT
#140
because picking janna almost automatically cedes lane pressure to the blitz/thresh unless you have cait/draven and they don't. You also probably won't be making use of knight's vow, a disgusting item right now. And the biggest reason, most team comps rely on one massive tank like zac/galio/jarvan/etc in this meta. If they can't reliably engage without being melted, it takes a lot of pressure off your team to watch out for engages and then you can be the ones to create the engage. this is support trundle's biggest strength imo, you dictate all engages. Janna can only retroactively deny an engage, trundle controls both sides of it with pillar and his ult.

As an add on, having the meatshield in your support role opens up more damage to be played in jungle/top lane, which usually is good for 2v2 purposes. top/jungle with more damage almost always wins since they can easily just focus the less tanky one if other side is tank + damage.
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