[Patch 6.8] Rumble Jungle General Discussion - Page 9

On April 22 2016 22:50 ticklishmusic wrote:
I played support for most of my LoL tryhard days. I dodged any game where my AD wasn't an AD main or didn't have a pretty good record for the role.

On April 22 2016 22:18 JimmiC wrote:
People who think they constantly get caught with bad whatevers are probably just missing what they are doing wrong. There are bad whatevers on the other team, it's a odd psycology that almost everyone hold and lower, he'll, might just be almost everyone thinks they are the best on their team and need to carry. Most of the successful people Esspecially from the support role realize that they need to do what ever it takes to make their teammates successful and through that they will win.

On April 23 2016 00:35 JimmiC wrote:
If by carry you mean you can't win every game, but that is same as most rolls. I mean you can climb fast. Basically you just need to outperform the other support consistently.

On April 23 2016 00:50 ticklishmusic wrote:
that assumes you're pretty good at other roles as well. i'm diamond-level for jungle and support, but pretty as a midlaner i'm basically bronze except for on a couple champs

On April 23 2016 00:37 GrandInquisitor wrote:
It's not a binary thing, like you "can" or "cannot" carry as a support.

It's just a gradient. Faker could get out of Bronze playing nothing but AP Nunu mid, but it'd be a lot harder for an average player to do that compared to playing Annie or Fizz. Similarly, a genuinely good player can climb low elo as a support, it'll just take longer on average than if he played other roles.

Besides, by definition, one of the five roles has to be the hardest to climb with overall. And overall, that role is probably going to be support for most players. It's not a bad thing, just a reflection that the most team-oriented role is going to be subject to more variance than less team-oriented roles.

On April 22 2016 15:07 Slusher wrote:
Not as opposition to your point but for clarity you are missing what he is saying. an example, I'm playing old taric in two games back to back. In game 1 the enemy adc is kog'maw in game 2 it's Tristana. in both games I catch the enemy adc away from their team with a flash Dazzle while their flash is down. With old Taric both die (trist still gets her jump distance before the stun lands but lets say she was really out of position for the example.). With new Taric Kog still dies 9 times out of 10 but Trist has a very real chance at getting away. By removing point and click you give heros with mobility even greater chance to survive without much of an improvement for slow heros like Kog.

On April 22 2016 15:07 Slusher wrote:
As an aside to the Easiest to play supports topic as a Nami player I disagree with her being so low. Ok so I know that it was very clear that skill ceiling is irrelevant and Floor is the only thing to be considered but I simply put out the argument that if you are just spamming W as Nami you are just playing a less mana efficient Sona, and you aren't a whole lot less squishy. I also think the skill floor for when and who to use E on is not as low as implied, the skill is actually quite useless and often forgotten in the hands of bad Nami players.

to me all ranged supports with heals or shields come first on the list just because where to stand as a melee support seems to be confusing to new/bad support players, but I would put Karma/Sona/Soraka/Janna before Nami just because they provide at least 2 retard proof non ultimate spells instead of 1.

On April 23 2016 02:23 VayneAuthority wrote:
this is one of those topics that has been beaten to death. If you're good, you'll climb as any role. if you aren't you, you won't.

not much else to it. a lot of people pick troll supports in low elo so its actually really easy to climb as support.

id say unless you are playing an assassin, the hardest role to climb is mid since a lot of smurfs pick that role and its pretty hard to punish there. (aka why roamers are good low elo)

On April 23 2016 02:41 Frolossus wrote:

i think mid and jungle are the easiest to climb on

On April 23 2016 02:41 Frolossus wrote:

i think mid and jungle are the easiest to climb on


for mid if you are stronger you kill them and deep ward then roam.
if you are weaker you defensively ward and roam.
if you are good you can punish people regardless of if they are a smurf or not

On April 23 2016 03:12 VayneAuthority wrote:


I think you might be biased since you main mid though.

I agree completely that jungle is by far the easiest to climb low elo though its not even close. its all about decsion making which is what they lack the most. TF is basically a jungler in his own right and obvs i count him as an assassin when he roams like crazy and can 100-0 people easily if ahead.

I play all 5 roles pretty equally and ive done plenty of accounts thanks to lyte so these are just my observations. mid never felt that impactful to me unless you are of course playing the tf, fizz, kats of the world

On April 23 2016 01:32 iamcaustic wrote:

Any reason you flash before starting to cast Dazzle on the new kit? You can move while Dazzle is playing out its delay, just time flash so you land the stun before Trist can react. If she jumps pre-emptively, then you still keep your flash and successfully bullied the enemy ADC, on top of being able to do the same thing again once Dazzle is off CD.

TBH I think this is more of a case of personal mechanics than a supposed loss of Taric's ability to lock down mobile champs with a flash/stun.