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iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
November 08 2015 18:45 GMT
#141
To be honest, I think Riot gets Rating's are good enough to justify the prices going around.

You can't tell me more people watch the average Columbus Blue Jackets game than the 500k that watch LCS in NA twice a week for 8 hours... and those NHL players make 2 million plus each.

I dont really know if there is a bubble, I just think old time investors just can't ignore the buzz anymore. There are sitcom actors that make 5 million a year on mediocre shows now a days. Sponsors want in, public investors want in, and people want to watch. There is a huge market of new money seeing this as an opportunity to entrench themselves in an industry that could continue to skyrocket.
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
November 08 2015 18:47 GMT
#142
On November 09 2015 03:25 Saradin wrote:
What were the circumstances of previous esports bubbles popping? Are the same underlying causes still present today?


No. Previous bubble burst when one company tried to finance it all and force it down everyones throat on TV. Think North-American sports franchise, but every team and the whole league owned by one company.

Also the reason why oldschool eSports veterans are so so so averse to putting it on TV. The whole ordeal killed eSports until SC2.

Short overview:

90s. LAN parties, magazines, money from hardware manufacturers.
Late 90s earaly 00s. Still LAN parties, more exposure by online sharing of demos and replays. Money from OEMs and edgy cool brands.
Mid 00s. Bubble. Pushed on TV, plus all the old avenues. Money from investors, edgy cool brands and OEMs.
Late 00s. Dead. LANs die due to internet. We don't have the streaming technology available yet (highly technical and expensive and magic). WC3 is on its way out, last bastion china. And Germany. DotA never made the mainstream. CS killed itself by splitting the community. Little to no money from OEMs.
Early 10s. Streaming technology slowly hits the gaming mainstream. Starcraft 2 beta hits. First signs of life. Streaming develops in the premier entertainment medium of choice for the gaming population. League of Legends overtakes World of Warcraft as the premier social game. Welcome to today.
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
Saradin
Profile Joined January 2015
456 Posts
November 08 2015 18:58 GMT
#143
Have there been any bubbles burst once streaming started getting big? Or every major game since then has been fine so far?

The advent of streaming is the crucial shift in society in here to me. It's having some repercussions in traditional sports now (and will eventually lead to very huge effects once TV money becomes unworkable). Ad money will shift correspondingly.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
November 08 2015 19:01 GMT
#144
I agree.

Streaming is a total game changer.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
November 08 2015 19:11 GMT
#145
One could argue SC2 had a "burst". It was the first major game during the streaming boom so it got rather large then just became rather small quite quickly. An important thing to note is that tournament streaming doesn't directly give money to teams. That and the fact that people are very player/personality driven in their support so the support for your brand could evaporate overnight. Translating fan popularity into money isn't something that brand new teams can do easily as well. It takes awhile to set up those systems which I guess is why a lot of teams have mandatory streaming requirements.
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
November 08 2015 19:13 GMT
#146
Well, if you want to call it a burst bubble... but the enthusiasm and money that went into SC2 in the first year after release.

You had about two premier tournaments each month, a major tournament every weekend and a dozen daily/weekly tournaments every fucking day.
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
domXtheXbomb
Profile Joined January 2015
United States19 Posts
November 09 2015 00:43 GMT
#147
Tbh TiP and GV aren't going to be selling their spots for much money unless someone dumb comes a long and thus far no one has. Those spots are worth nothing with 0 players AND with the majority of NA rosters finalizing already. Pretty much whoever buys those spots(which may not even happen) have a MASSIVE uphill battle as they have to take the leftovers of the NA talent pool(That is non existent) and put together a team. Also importing is a lot harder to do right now as a lot of KR's aren't particularly interested in coming to NA atm. At least decent ones. Idk both of these orgs are pretty tilting for not selling their teams sooner. I can also tell you that TiP's trying to sell their spot for WAY more than they should be, like they need to get their shit together otherwise they might have an LCS team come Spring LOL
Saradin
Profile Joined January 2015
456 Posts
November 09 2015 01:42 GMT
#148
Interesting perspective; in traditional sports, having fewer contracts on the books usually makes a team more desirable to buy. They're like extra fees on top of the purchase price without you being the original one to offer them.
It's the lack of free agent courting time that'll be killer.
bbc23
Profile Joined September 2013
United States416 Posts
November 09 2015 01:48 GMT
#149
On November 09 2015 03:45 iCanada wrote:
To be honest, I think Riot gets Rating's are good enough to justify the prices going around.

You can't tell me more people watch the average Columbus Blue Jackets game than the 500k that watch LCS in NA twice a week for 8 hours... and those NHL players make 2 million plus each.

I dont really know if there is a bubble, I just think old time investors just can't ignore the buzz anymore. There are sitcom actors that make 5 million a year on mediocre shows now a days. Sponsors want in, public investors want in, and people want to watch. There is a huge market of new money seeing this as an opportunity to entrench themselves in an industry that could continue to skyrocket.

But they do because it's not just the Blue Jackets, it's the Blue Jackets plus whoever they play. I think Riot understands that the people who are watching Dignitas are also likely to watch TSM and TL. It's why they had the schedule they used last season.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
November 09 2015 04:06 GMT
#150
--- Nuked ---
Majax
Profile Joined December 2014
France816 Posts
November 09 2015 12:09 GMT
#151
Looks like TSM have their IEM line-up finalized.

Can't take LMS hipsters serious
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
November 09 2015 16:14 GMT
#152
http://www.thescoreesports.com/news/4738

On the same day regi confirms a line up dada7 leaves World Elite; coincidence? I think not
Glorious SEA doto
Wita
Profile Joined January 2015
Denmark267 Posts
November 09 2015 16:59 GMT
#153
Wasnt Dada absolutely horrendous for WE or am I thinking of some other support?
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
November 09 2015 17:00 GMT
#154


He sent this yesterday, still waiting...
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Caiada
Profile Joined January 2015
United States3052 Posts
November 09 2015 17:14 GMT
#155
TSM.Dada7, new world champion, calling it now
XDG Mata
Deriao
Profile Joined April 2015
United States132 Posts
November 09 2015 18:50 GMT
#156
http://giantsgaming.pro/en/content/about-werlyb-fr3deric
giants looking for new jungle/top
.....
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-09 19:29:34
November 09 2015 19:29 GMT
#157
Wait what.
Werlyb is gone but not Adryh? LOMO.

Inb4 Jwaow/Naruterador, legend of Kha'Zix top will last one more game.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
St3MoR
Profile Joined November 2002
Spain3256 Posts
November 09 2015 19:39 GMT
#158
yeah I agree, GIA need to get rid of Adryh
Prophet in TL of the Makoto0124 ways
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-09 19:53:03
November 09 2015 19:46 GMT
#159
Giants is like CJ, everyone but the mid and maybe the support need to go.

Difference is Giants have made actual progress now, so point one to giants.

http://www.dailydot.com/esports/powerofevil-xpeke-origen/
PoE to origen
Glorious SEA doto
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-09 19:52:31
November 09 2015 19:52 GMT
#160
http://www.dailydot.com/esports/powerofevil-xpeke-origen/

xPeke is gone for PoE probably, which makes Origen #1 in EU by default.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
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