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orzeu
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland5205 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-10 18:24:59
November 10 2015 18:23 GMT
#181
So, Sven signed 2 contracts? What a dumbass. If TSM wasn't involved Riot would ban him for sure.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-10 18:29:15
November 10 2015 18:26 GMT
#182
On November 11 2015 03:23 orzeu wrote:
So, Sven signed 2 contracts? What a dumbass. If TSM wasn't involved Riot would ban him for sure.

Interestingly enough we've had that situation already. Four players from the LMS team Midnight Sun Esports signed contracts with another team while still on contract on MSE. Garena dropped a year long banhammer on them.
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Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-10 18:30:09
November 10 2015 18:28 GMT
#183
no he didnt sign two contracts.

from what i understood, he signed one with H2K, but right after that TSM approached him, and now he wants to go TSM despite having contract with H2K.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Caiada
Profile Joined January 2015
United States3052 Posts
November 10 2015 18:28 GMT
#184
My presumption is Sven will get punished, H2K will get him, and people will be real mad as always that TSM didn't get off worse.
XDG Mata
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
November 10 2015 18:31 GMT
#185
How does this situation even come about?

Sven signs with H2K and then TSM offers him money and he's like, well fuck it???
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-10 18:34:56
November 10 2015 18:34 GMT
#186
On November 11 2015 03:28 Mensol wrote:
no he didnt sign two contracts.

from what i understood, he signed one with H2K, but right after that TSM approached him, and now he wants to go TSM despite having contract with H2K.


In that scenario TSM and Reginald should be heavily punished for poaching then? Maybe even sell his ownership of TSM lololololololol
Saradin
Profile Joined January 2015
456 Posts
November 10 2015 18:34 GMT
#187
Sounds like the claim is that Sven signed a contract to sign a contract, not the actual job contract itself?
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-10 18:39:11
November 10 2015 18:37 GMT
#188
On November 11 2015 03:28 Mensol wrote:
no he didnt sign two contracts.

from what i understood, he signed one with H2K, but right after that TSM approached him, and now he wants to go TSM despite having contract with H2K.


Which is even worse, lmao.

Like, H2K should realise that Svenskeren will likely get banned if it's confirmed, even if TSM don't get a player. TSM won't give a single fuck about those fines anyway and they're losing nothing, unless Riot want to go full sports and ban them from transfer window or something, but we all know about Riot and TSM relationships.
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Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-10 18:38:45
November 10 2015 18:38 GMT
#189
On November 11 2015 03:34 Saradin wrote:
Sounds like the claim is that Sven signed a contract to sign a contract, not the actual job contract itself?

H2K, Svenskeren and his family engaged in long discussions and negotiations that culminated in a deal between the parties. Both agreed, in writing, to execute a contract formalizing that deal. This was a legally binding agreement.

eh pretty sure H2K have proof for this one, which makes Svens a H2K player.

EU drama finally arrived with the help of NA.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
November 10 2015 18:39 GMT
#190
I vote to ban TSM from LCS.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
November 10 2015 18:39 GMT
#191
Svenskeren signed a letter of intent. Gonna be an interesting ruling by Riot. Its a fluid area, especially since both various European countries "laws" and interpretation of such a document as well as the North-american version of it are involved.

Also:

TSM was indifferent and determined to continue with the poaching—Reginald’s only response to Richard Wells was, “Well just do what you need to do”.

Thats so Regi.
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
Wijnruit
Profile Joined October 2014
Brazil294 Posts
November 10 2015 18:42 GMT
#192
On November 11 2015 03:39 Ansibled wrote:
I vote to ban TSM from LCS.

Yes
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
November 10 2015 18:43 GMT
#193
On November 11 2015 03:39 Ansibled wrote:
I vote to ban TSM from LCS.


Man can you imagine the internet's reaction to that? Please riot let it happen then go back on your word in like a week because it's dumb.
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-10 18:48:09
November 10 2015 18:46 GMT
#194
On November 11 2015 03:39 Celial wrote:
Svenskeren signed a letter of intent. Gonna be an interesting ruling by Riot. Its a fluid area, especially since both various European countries "laws" and interpretation of such a document as well as the North-american version of it are involved.

Also:

TSM was indifferent and determined to continue with the poaching—Reginald’s only response to Richard Wells was, “Well just do what you need to do”.

Thats so Regi.

I'm curious if NA/European law varies on this.. what happens?
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Saradin
Profile Joined January 2015
456 Posts
November 10 2015 18:47 GMT
#195
Would be really funny.
Unfortunately it'll be more likely that TSM gets some slap on the wrist and afterwards we can wonder why Garena is bizarro world with this stuff.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-10 18:51:55
November 10 2015 18:50 GMT
#196
Guys calm down. Apparently Svenskeren did not sign a contract wit H2k yet. H2k themselves said "H2K, Svenskeren and his family engaged in long discussions and negotiations that culminated in a deal between the parties. Both agreed, in writing, to execute a contract formalizing that deal."
None of us here know the content of this "letter of intent" or whatever to sign a contract. And I also doubt anyone here knows what this legally means. Let some lawyers figure this one out.
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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-10 18:54:25
November 10 2015 18:51 GMT
#197
On November 11 2015 03:47 Saradin wrote:
Would be really funny.
Unfortunately it'll be more likely that TSM gets some slap on the wrist and afterwards we can wonder why Garena is bizarro world with this stuff.

TSM will receive a $200 fine and reginald will be sent to the naughty corner to think about what he did

Afaik what svenskeren has signed according to H2K's statement should be sufficient for UK contract law; but idk how it works elsewhere.
Glorious SEA doto
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-10 18:56:07
November 10 2015 18:53 GMT
#198
On November 11 2015 03:46 Ansibled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2015 03:39 Celial wrote:
Svenskeren signed a letter of intent. Gonna be an interesting ruling by Riot. Its a fluid area, especially since both various European countries "laws" and interpretation of such a document as well as the North-american version of it are involved.

Also:

TSM was indifferent and determined to continue with the poaching—Reginald’s only response to Richard Wells was, “Well just do what you need to do”.

Thats so Regi.

I'm curious if NA/European law varies on this.. what happens?

This is the main question because according to this guy, oral agreements are binding in Germany, where LCS is being played.

If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
November 10 2015 18:54 GMT
#199
Just one little info: Letters of intent do not serve the purpose to guarantee a contract at the end. It is used to nail down specific parts, like for example salary benefits expected work done etc etc. Its used to create a foundation from which both parties can then work on hashing out a real contract. But the classic letter of intent can not force you to sign a contract at the end.
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
November 10 2015 18:56 GMT
#200
On November 11 2015 03:54 Celial wrote:
Just one little info: Letters of intent do not serve the purpose to guarantee a contract at the end. It is used to nail down specific parts, like for example salary benefits expected work done etc etc. Its used to create a foundation from which both parties can then work on hashing out a real contract. But the classic letter of intent can not force you to sign a contract at the end.

The fact that H2k goes to a journalist in an attempt to get public opinion on their side and put pressure on Riot also makes me think they believe they do not actually have a legal case here. Except they seem to hope for help from Riot ouside of the legal system.
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