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[Patch 5.14] Bilgewater General Discussion - Page 15

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Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-24 15:54:57
July 24 2015 15:53 GMT
#281
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2015 09:23 Ansibled wrote:
I think it's pretty disingenuous to answer from the perspective of last hit indicators or zoom hacks when he knows what people are asking for is the ability to move panels around.

On July 24 2015 09:23 kongoline wrote:
smite has it and there is no problem


Damn this is cool.


Incidentally FF14 also lets you move every hud element wherever you want, and change the size to 5 preset sizes. You can add or even entirely remove some huds if you don't want them to be on the screen. It's really really nice.

I think i'd be fine with the character info tab or whatever the thing is you pull up with C to have actual words instead of symbols and the tab screen having more information back on it.
Bronze player stuck in platinum
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
July 24 2015 16:11 GMT
#282
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Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
July 24 2015 16:12 GMT
#283
On July 25 2015 01:11 krndandaman wrote:
apparently elise is good again? her win rate has jumped 10% to 54% and is #2 out of junglers

Her stun got buffed to a longer duration at lv1 than before she got nerfed.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Caiada
Profile Joined January 2015
United States3052 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-24 16:23:40
July 24 2015 16:23 GMT
#284
The stun's a pretty big deal, so were the AP item changes, and now her spiders do magic damage.

I think she's probably much better in soloq than competitive now, for the first time in as long as I can remember. The Sorc Boots/Runeglaive/Liandry's/Rylai's combo and the stun duration make her a ridiculous pick jungler with some actual midgame power, but it'll be too squishy in competitive and Cinderhulk is underwhelming on her compared to 4 or 5 other top picks.
XDG Mata
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
July 24 2015 16:24 GMT
#285
Cinderhulk Elise is good.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Caiada
Profile Joined January 2015
United States3052 Posts
July 24 2015 16:35 GMT
#286
Didn't say it wasn't, but it'd be pretty hard to say it's better than Rek'sai/Grag/Nunu in the current meta.
XDG Mata
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-24 16:48:52
July 24 2015 16:48 GMT
#287
On July 25 2015 00:53 Nos- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2015 09:23 Ansibled wrote:
I think it's pretty disingenuous to answer from the perspective of last hit indicators or zoom hacks when he knows what people are asking for is the ability to move panels around.

On July 24 2015 09:23 kongoline wrote:
smite has it and there is no problem


Damn this is cool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCrM02j6QeY

Incidentally FF14 also lets you move every hud element wherever you want, and change the size to 5 preset sizes. You can add or even entirely remove some huds if you don't want them to be on the screen. It's really really nice.

I think i'd be fine with the character info tab or whatever the thing is you pull up with C to have actual words instead of symbols and the tab screen having more information back on it.


I think most MMOs have HUGE amount of freedom on HUD customization because these games have a lot of buttons - as such, the ability to customize is almost required.

Also, it feels like one of those "industry standard" when it comes to MMO. LoL, which came from DotA (which did not have any kinds of customization whatsoever), historically did not have this kind of feature.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-24 16:58:19
July 24 2015 16:56 GMT
#288
i dont even care about customization just want a hud which makes sense and isnt burden, new hud is annoying and definitely a downgrade from old one, i cba to play league because of how bad it is
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
July 24 2015 17:00 GMT
#289
On July 25 2015 01:12 Ansibled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 01:11 krndandaman wrote:
apparently elise is good again? her win rate has jumped 10% to 54% and is #2 out of junglers

Her stun got buffed to a longer duration at lv1 than before she got nerfed.


Yea, the return to a 1 pt wonder stun should do loads for her. I am also kind of surprised she hasn't seen use as a support recently
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
July 24 2015 17:04 GMT
#290
It's also possible that Elise is good at punishing Devourer junglers.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
July 24 2015 17:04 GMT
#291
On July 25 2015 02:00 Goumindong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 01:12 Ansibled wrote:
On July 25 2015 01:11 krndandaman wrote:
apparently elise is good again? her win rate has jumped 10% to 54% and is #2 out of junglers

Her stun got buffed to a longer duration at lv1 than before she got nerfed.


Yea, the return to a 1 pt wonder stun should do loads for her. I am also kind of surprised she hasn't seen use as a support recently

Almost like she has only 1 ability that works for a support
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-24 17:07:22
July 24 2015 17:07 GMT
#292
On July 25 2015 01:48 Sufficiency wrote:
Also, it feels like one of those "industry standard" when it comes to MMO. LoL, which came from DotA (which did not have any kinds of customization whatsoever), historically did not have this kind of feature.

This both is and isn't true.

On the one hand, it's true that the War3 engine does not support much UI customization natively. On the other hand, as most of pub DotA play moved out to external ladders like Garena, ICCup, etc., most of which provided their own external clients that run alongside the game. UI customization through external overlays (not unlike the timer overlays which became so controversial in League) or other plugins became reasonable common in the later part of War3 DotA's lifespan.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
July 24 2015 17:19 GMT
#293
On July 25 2015 02:07 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 01:48 Sufficiency wrote:
Also, it feels like one of those "industry standard" when it comes to MMO. LoL, which came from DotA (which did not have any kinds of customization whatsoever), historically did not have this kind of feature.

This both is and isn't true.

On the one hand, it's true that the War3 engine does not support much UI customization natively. On the other hand, as most of pub DotA play moved out to external ladders like Garena, ICCup, etc., most of which provided their own external clients that run alongside the game. UI customization through external overlays (not unlike the timer overlays which became so controversial in League) or other plugins became reasonable common in the later part of War3 DotA's lifespan.


In DotA you can't even customize ability hotkeys unless you edit a file by hand or use an external program.

The fact of the matter is, when it comes to HUD customization, RTS games (and dota, by extension) lagged really behind MMO games. Smite looks impressive in this regard.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 24 2015 17:30 GMT
#294
Oh. You can't see enemy cs without clicking them individually and checking before they disappear from view.
Geez.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Caiada
Profile Joined January 2015
United States3052 Posts
July 24 2015 17:40 GMT
#295
On July 25 2015 02:30 Alaric wrote:
Oh. You can't see enemy cs without clicking them individually and checking before they disappear from view.
Geez.


It's on the tab screen.
XDG Mata
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
July 24 2015 18:16 GMT
#296
On July 25 2015 02:04 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 02:00 Goumindong wrote:
On July 25 2015 01:12 Ansibled wrote:
On July 25 2015 01:11 krndandaman wrote:
apparently elise is good again? her win rate has jumped 10% to 54% and is #2 out of junglers

Her stun got buffed to a longer duration at lv1 than before she got nerfed.


Yea, the return to a 1 pt wonder stun should do loads for her. I am also kind of surprised she hasn't seen use as a support recently

Almost like she has only 1 ability that works for a support


Like Trundle and Shen?

She has high damage good lane presence, good pick potential and is one of the safest warders in the game due to spider form. Her weakness in the jungle is that she falls off compared to champions which can utilize farm better. But that isn't a problem in the support role.

Additionally her primary advantage in the jungle is a strong early game ganking, which is highlighted by keeping her in a duo lane.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 24 2015 18:19 GMT
#297
Oh, right. Didn't notice because almost noone had any since it was in ARAM. Says about how crammed everything is, though, any number doesn't stand up by itself.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
July 24 2015 18:28 GMT
#298
Tahm Kench locked in again for competitive, folks. SK vs Element
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-24 18:42:26
July 24 2015 18:42 GMT
#299
On July 25 2015 02:19 Sufficiency wrote:
In DotA you can't even customize ability hotkeys unless you edit a file by hand or use an external program.

Right, but since Blizzard didn't manage any aspect of the game, the community developed the UI functionality to meet their own needs externally.

The LoL community is more than capable of doing this as well, but Riot's made their stance toward overlays/external modification of the UI clear in the past. Which is why the onus falls on themselves to provide the UI customization options.
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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-24 19:21:44
July 24 2015 19:19 GMT
#300
On July 25 2015 03:16 Goumindong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 02:04 nafta wrote:
On July 25 2015 02:00 Goumindong wrote:
On July 25 2015 01:12 Ansibled wrote:
On July 25 2015 01:11 krndandaman wrote:
apparently elise is good again? her win rate has jumped 10% to 54% and is #2 out of junglers

Her stun got buffed to a longer duration at lv1 than before she got nerfed.


Yea, the return to a 1 pt wonder stun should do loads for her. I am also kind of surprised she hasn't seen use as a support recently

Almost like she has only 1 ability that works for a support


Like Trundle and Shen?

She has high damage good lane presence, good pick potential and is one of the safest warders in the game due to spider form. Her weakness in the jungle is that she falls off compared to champions which can utilize farm better. But that isn't a problem in the support role.

Additionally her primary advantage in the jungle is a strong early game ganking, which is highlighted by keeping her in a duo lane.

They both have ultimates that are really good?Other than her e all she offers is damage which isn't something that you want lol.She is more similar to old* veigar than any of those 2.And his 1 ability was so much stronger.

There are a lot of better alternatives when you want to do damage as a support and better if you want to roam and gank.
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