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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 11 2015 13:38 GMT
#301
And she doesn't have an ability making her untargetable to dodge about every non-instant cc thrown at her.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Caiada
Profile Joined January 2015
United States3052 Posts
July 11 2015 13:49 GMT
#302
Its speed also decays, and it lasts 3 seconds w/o auto attacks compared to 10. She does not chase anything ranged well at all.
XDG Mata
gobbledydook
Profile Joined October 2012
Australia2605 Posts
July 11 2015 13:52 GMT
#303
im actually having more luck actually hitting the frontline than the backline. I shred tanks with the bork and e proc and as long as I am doing reasonably ok I will always outlast their tanks and win that way. I only hit backline if my ult gets me on top of them in which case peel isn't going to help.
I am a dirty Protoss bullshit abuser
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
July 11 2015 14:04 GMT
#304
I played Shyvana against Blue Ezreal recently (before patch), never again.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Prog
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom1470 Posts
July 11 2015 14:13 GMT
#305
The simple solution to compensate Shyvana's chase problems is to pick her in Sivir comps. But then again, everything works in Sivir comps anyway.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
July 11 2015 14:15 GMT
#306
black shield a lot scarier than a sivir ult tbh especially when the only person who could consider peeling is the support :D
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23460 Posts
July 11 2015 14:15 GMT
#307
On July 11 2015 22:28 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2015 22:11 Frolossus wrote:
On July 11 2015 19:15 Slayer91 wrote:
On July 11 2015 08:41 Frolossus wrote:
On July 11 2015 08:26 Seuss wrote:
I've analyzed Frolossus video and I'll keep it short.

While Shyvana had a lot of assists and kills, I think that only slightly accelerated Devourer's stacking. based on that game I think it's fair to say that past 30-35 minutes Old Devourer is better than New Devourer (factoring in W and E uptime).

However, New Devourer will tend to hit Sated roughly 15 minutes before that point, and is stronger than Old Devourer before then, so you have a fairly significant window (20-25 minutes) where New Devourer is stronger. New Devourer is also more bursty, which isn't something we can adequately measure and compare without going into excruciating detail.

All in all there's meat to Frolossus' complaint and I'm sympathetic as they've effectively changed how he has to play her.

i think it is more concerning for characters that itemize and play similarly but weren't already shyvana tier.
i'll continue to play the same exact way as before it's just less optimal now.

On July 11 2015 07:43 Slayer91 wrote:
not sure what game you guys are playing that 20 free resists is enough and also shyvana "amazing chase potential"
probably the worst chasing melee ive ever played
no slows and a just a short speed up that relies on melee range to last more than a few seconds and a jukeable ult

you run MS quints, blue smite, exhaust, randuins, bork and whore red buff. people don't escape and you 3 hit squishies

On July 11 2015 08:41 iCanada wrote:
On July 11 2015 08:26 Seuss wrote:
I've analyzed Frolossus video and I'll keep it short.

While Shyvana had a lot of assists and kills, I think that only slightly accelerated Devourer's stacking. based on that game I think it's fair to say that past 30-35 minutes Old Devourer is better than New Devourer (factoring in W and E uptime).

However, New Devourer will tend to hit Sated roughly 15 minutes before that point, and is stronger than Old Devourer before then, so you have a fairly significant window (20-25 minutes) where New Devourer is stronger. New Devourer is also more bursty, which isn't something we can adequately measure and compare without going into excruciating detail.

All in all there's meat to Frolossus' complaint and I'm sympathetic as they've effectively changed how he has to play her.


I'd also argue that a huge nerf in general, seeing how Shyvana falls off a cliff after 30 minutes or so as it is; she goes from being a duelist god who is forcing objectives or small skirmishes which she wins which lead to Objectives, to like... a useless tank with little threat because she has no CC and can't really team fight.

If you dont give your teams big leads on Shyvana before everyone is starting to hit 4 items or so you are probably going to lose. Ideally you win the game before then, lol.

i think she is strongest as a late game carry type of character similar but better than a jax or irelia. she comfortable 1v3s or better at the end of the game.


none of these things make you a good chase champion
what you're describing is the worst chase champ in the game building items exclusively to cover that weakness
im going all that stuff (except ms quints) and still find it difficult assuming their team has any cc
not that i think shyv is weak I just think you're vastly overrating the champion's lategame.
like many melees she can 1v3 lategame with a gold lead vs an underfarmed team but in more typical games strong damage with some annoying cc like thresh or naut or something makes life difficult for you

having burnout makes you a bad chase champion?
it's like yi but better in that regard because highlander has a long cool down

Burnout doesn't protect Shyvana from AS slows like Highlander does,


more importantly movement slows
aka Teutonica
Prog
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom1470 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-11 14:16:02
July 11 2015 14:15 GMT
#308
On July 11 2015 23:15 nafta wrote:
black shield a lot scarier than a sivir ult tbh especially when the only person who could consider peeling is the support :D


Why not both? : D
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
July 11 2015 14:19 GMT
#309
I actually feel like Kayle is slightly overhyped, Ez Vlad Rengar still champ's I'm most scared of.
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
July 11 2015 14:22 GMT
#310
On July 11 2015 23:04 Ansibled wrote:
I played Shyvana against Blue Ezreal recently (before patch), never again.

vayne is similar but even more frustrating cuz u die 10x times faster to her
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
July 11 2015 14:23 GMT
#311
On July 11 2015 23:15 Prog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2015 23:15 nafta wrote:
black shield a lot scarier than a sivir ult tbh especially when the only person who could consider peeling is the support :D


Why not both? : D


Add in an Ori ult as well. Lol.

Teut is right though. Getting kited on shy sucks.
Sonnington
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1107 Posts
July 11 2015 15:33 GMT
#312
What in the name of holy hell are they doing to MF's boobs in the skin updates?

[image loading]

This is a god damn travesty. She's completely covered up. Even if she wasn't, it's obvious they reduced the size. More so than any other champion in the game, MF's boobs are core to her character identity.
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
July 11 2015 15:37 GMT
#313
On July 12 2015 00:33 Sonnington wrote:
What in the name of holy hell are they doing to MF's boobs in the skin updates?

[image loading]

This is a god damn travesty. She's completely covered up. Even if she wasn't, it's obvious they reduced the size. More so than any other champion in the game, MF's boobs are core to her character identity.

i'm more concerned about the lack of candy cane guns
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 11 2015 18:48 GMT
#314
This patch is already pretty annoying. There's way too much bullshit/annoying stuff to ban, that you know you'll have to deal with several of these picks in every game.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
July 11 2015 18:49 GMT
#315
that skin still exists
Carrilord has arrived.
Purge
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada372 Posts
July 11 2015 19:08 GMT
#316
lol you people on about the MF skin. The new one looks better, and these complaints are desperate to the absolute extreme. The people on the Reddit thread made me cringe unbelievably hard. Ditching league for a while makes you realize how fucking petty people are being about cosmetic differences.

I like the new WotA, shits fun to play with now. Spellvamp is now a thing on more champs. Anyone seen new WotA champs recently? Im thinking Syndra or Ori or sommat similar.
"Never do an enemy a small injury." - Machiavelli
Purge
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada372 Posts
July 11 2015 19:10 GMT
#317
Whoops posted already. Ah well.

On July 12 2015 03:48 Alaric wrote:
This patch is already pretty annoying. There's way too much bullshit/annoying stuff to ban, that you know you'll have to deal with several of these picks in every game.


Arent you annoyed by every patch ever though? iirc you find all the bugs that seem to affect noone and complain about everything anyway. At least a good meta shakeup should make you feel a bit more invigorated to play no?
"Never do an enemy a small injury." - Machiavelli
Caiada
Profile Joined January 2015
United States3052 Posts
July 11 2015 19:17 GMT
#318
The day boobs are core to a character identity is the day character dies.
XDG Mata
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
July 11 2015 19:30 GMT
#319
On July 12 2015 04:17 Caiada wrote:
The day boobs are core to a character identity is the day character dies.

Unless part of their backstory and motivation involves something relating to breast cancer.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-11 19:33:58
July 11 2015 19:32 GMT
#320
I'm annoyed when there are huge disparities or champions who are just fun killers being popular (like Rengar, Vlad, etc.). I also get frustrated when super low skill floor stuff gets like Ziggs, Sion or Riven gets popular too as it makes it harder to get advantage from lane but that's another thing entirely.

Of course in other patches there's annoying stuff. But for example when Sion was all the rage he would get banned and bam, problem solved. So even if people say "man Sion's so boring to play against/frustrating in games", you don't end up having to deal with it that much.
But now Azir, Thresh, Rek'Sai, Vlad, Kalista are all popular to name a few, and the addition of Devourer creates a bunch of champions who are annoying to deal with combo'd with the issue of peolpe afk farming (and the frequent frustration of soloQ when the enemy jungler literally does it and is obviously meh whenever he tries to be active, but because his laners are all ahead by themselves he can't be punished for it; it's a confirmation bias of course, but Devourer increases the frequency).

So because there are over 10 champions you'd like to see banned, some of them will always slip, which decreases the enjoyment of the games on average.

Also you being from Canada means you don't get to enjoy the stream of glitches from EUW, so yeah, I guess trying to be smug is part of the package.

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