Today it was officially announced that Austin 'Link' Shin decided to step down as CLG starting midlaner.
Link had this to say regarding his departure:
“It has been a huge pleasure working with the CLG organization, especially George. It has given me a lot of fond memories, but unfortunately the time has come for us to part ways. I'll be making a more in depth post on why I'm leaving elsewhere.”
Instead of Link, Eugene 'Pobelter' Park from relegated Winterfox and Choi 'HuHi' Jae-Hyun from disbanded Team Fusion are going to step in to complete 6-man roster for CLG this season.
"I have much respect for each CLG member, and am excited for this opportunity to work alongside them. I believe that with the help of CLG's talented coaching staff we can achieve greatness this upcoming split. Thank you to all of my fans as well as CLG's for the support; I will try my hardest!" - Pobelter
“I think I have finally got to a point where I can show everyone what I am capable of. I’ll never lose this motivation that I have right now and never gain an ego. People might be confused and think that I am a sub and will not probably play for CLG in the LCS but we are going to use two mid laners like SKT T1. I think it can be really good because not only can me and Pobelter discuss a lot about how to play mid and play each other, but also we can take care of each other when one of us gets stressed.” - HuHi
CLG current roster for NA LCS Summer Split 2015:
Darshan 'ZionSpartan' Upadhyaha - toplane Jake 'Xmithie' Puchero - jungle Eugene 'Pobelter' Park - midlane Choi 'HuHi' Jae-Hyun - midlane Yiliang 'Doublelift' Peng - ad carry Zaqueri 'Aphromoo' Black - support
I'm not even sure what to say.... other than this lineup isn't going to win NA. Hard to say who's going to take the #2 spot with TSM at #1. I'd give C9 a season or so before they get used to not having Hai's shotcalling to pull them out of sticky situations.
I actually don't think this roster is abysmal, but I don't think that they'll be able to challenge TSM/C9/Liquid/Impulse for the top 4 spots. There's simply too much talent in NA right now.
On May 14 2015 13:10 saddaromma wrote: Pobelter is actually good. He didn't have good teams.
IDK I think that's just an excuse. How many supposedly good players languishing in "LCS Elo hell" actually ended up doing well when they got a "good team"? A good player should look good no matter where he's at (see: Spirit struggling on WE). Pobelter is just a mediocre solo queue talent, he's not some struggler being weighed down by his team. If you look bad like Pobelter, you're just bad, it's not your team's fault.
On May 14 2015 13:10 saddaromma wrote: Pobelter is actually good. He didn't have good teams.
IDK I think that's just an excuse. How many supposedly good players languishing in "LCS Elo hell" actually ended up doing well when they got a "good team"? A good player should look good no matter where he's at (see: Spirit struggling on WE). Pobelter is just a mediocre solo queue talent, he's not some struggler being weighed down by his team. If you look bad like Pobelter, you're just bad, it's not your team's fault.
On May 14 2015 14:17 Slusher wrote: Skipped to the section on the current season but it's basically what I expected.
still hard to be sure whats true the tone is self serving as fuck
true, still interesting to see his perspective.
Also how he agrees with shit fans were saying- like how all their top laners felt like shit/quit at the end because the bot lane focus was so high (season 4) etc.
Lemon did most of the picks and bans and we’d just discuss the team. The biggest difference that I noticed was that Dexter was a follower whereas Meteos was a leader. He’d do or tell people what he wanted in the early game. He had a plan of how to play the game and that’s something that literally 99.9% in NA doesn’t do and the BIGGEST REASON WHY WE ARE TERRIBLE AS A REGION. He figured out win conditions and he actually got mad at me for telling him one time to tell him where to gank or ward. On CLG the word shotcaller means: you tell people exactly how to play the game (move here tp here cursor here aim ur skill here ward here gank here). On C9 the word shotcaller means: you get people to do the more team oriented stuff like dragon/baron control/rotations blahblah. In other words CLG shotcalling is like babysitting. C9 wasn’t.
was particularly interesting. Again a lot of it can be seen by us as spectators/fans- that C9's biggest advantages were their map rotations/shotcalling etc, just interesting to see that the opinion is reflected by pros, and also that apparently CLG at least still doesn't have that bit down? lol
On May 14 2015 13:10 saddaromma wrote: Pobelter is actually good. He didn't have good teams.
IDK I think that's just an excuse. How many supposedly good players languishing in "LCS Elo hell" actually ended up doing well when they got a "good team"? A good player should look good no matter where he's at (see: Spirit struggling on WE). Pobelter is just a mediocre solo queue talent, he's not some struggler being weighed down by his team. If you look bad like Pobelter, you're just bad, it's not your team's fault.
Quas.
It's a bit misty, but I remember Quas being a beast back when he was on GGLA. Would have got them an LCS gig if he didn't get picked up by Curse.
GGLA probably would have made LCS, hard to judge since they lost otter and quas relatively quickly. That being said quas was definitely noted for his performances on the struggling NWE where oh god that team sucked but he still shined.
On May 14 2015 13:10 saddaromma wrote: Pobelter is actually good. He didn't have good teams.
IDK I think that's just an excuse. How many supposedly good players languishing in "LCS Elo hell" actually ended up doing well when they got a "good team"? A good player should look good no matter where he's at (see: Spirit struggling on WE). Pobelter is just a mediocre solo queue talent, he's not some struggler being weighed down by his team. If you look bad like Pobelter, you're just bad, it's not your team's fault.
People have also literally called Pobelter "the next big thing" since season 1, lol.
You don't stay "the next big thing" for 4+ seasons and not win something if you're actually good.
Finished reading link's letter, putting literally everyone on blast. Especially doublelift, the word trust came up so often I think it no longer has any meaning to me.
Next we tried out junglers and I really liked cloudnguyen and xmithie. I knew for a fact the best junglers in NA were probably xj9/meteos/nightblue/xmithie then afterwards it’s like cloud/azingy/inori/trick2g ( i really think trick is smart at the game ).
Trick is really smart, but his mechanics are not there, or atleast I didnt witness them because he always plays low skill champs. Nightblue on the other hand is good, but I haven't seen him tryhard mode. both are fucking around to entertain viewers, so we can't really tell.
On link's blog: I think Dlift is very detrimental for the team and should be benched. He is like my friend, who is forever stuck in Gold 3. Very good mechanics, high kill/death ratio, good at snowballing and carrying team, but 'bad' at the game. He always wonders why I am in plat, eventhough I have less kills on average (thats all that matters to him). And he aslways butthurt when he loses the lane due to enemy jungle pressure. Eventhough our jungle securing all objectives. Some people never learn I guess.
On May 14 2015 15:25 Call_me_b_ wrote: LOL, can someone summarize the letter?
hi, I'm link. I play lol. I started.........I joined CLG....CLG is an ass org....Montecristo was ineffective because everyone ignored him....the whole team is toxic like Grimer....I wish everyone well.
On May 14 2015 15:25 Call_me_b_ wrote: LOL, can someone summarize the letter?
hi, I'm link. I play lol. I started.........I joined CLG....CLG is an ass org....Montecristo was ineffective because everyone ignored him....the whole team is toxic like Grimer....I wish everyone well.
you forgot to add "i'm one of the best players in NA" inside of every elipsis
it's funny seeing Nien always talking shit like becoming the best ad carry in na or coming to lcs and dumpster someone when he's been in the scene since the beginning and now only hops to every millionaire challenger investor when every roster he's been inevitably fails to make the promotion again and agian.
On May 14 2015 15:25 Call_me_b_ wrote: LOL, can someone summarize the letter?
hi, I'm link. I play lol. I started.........I joined CLG....CLG is an ass org....Montecristo was ineffective because everyone ignored him....the whole team is toxic like Grimer....I wish everyone well.
also I'm really, really good at the game and shotcalling and mechanics and understanding and I tried really hard, I swear, but the team was holding me down.
On May 14 2015 15:23 saddaromma wrote: Trick is really smart, but his mechanics are not there, or atleast I didnt witness them because he always plays low skill champs. Nightblue on the other hand is good, but I haven't seen him tryhard mode. both are fucking around to entertain viewers, so we can't really tell.
On link's blog: I think Dlift is very detrimental for the team and should be benched. He is like my friend, who is forever stuck in Gold 3. Very good mechanics, high kill/death ratio, good at snowballing and carrying team, but 'bad' at the game. He always wonders why I am in plat, eventhough I have less kills on average (thats all that matters to him). And he aslways butthurt when he loses the lane due to enemy jungle pressure. Eventhough our jungle securing all objectives. Some people never learn I guess.
calling trick top 10 jungler in na is hilarious when the guy has never been even in challenger. sure you can say ''oh hes an entertainer we've never seen him be serious'' but that doesn't prove that he's actually good lmao.
Getting into challenger isn't really hard given time and effort. Pretty sure even I can do it with my shitty mechanics.
On May 14 2015 15:23 saddaromma wrote: Trick is really smart, but his mechanics are not there, or atleast I didnt witness them because he always plays low skill champs. Nightblue on the other hand is good, but I haven't seen him tryhard mode. both are fucking around to entertain viewers, so we can't really tell.
On link's blog: I think Dlift is very detrimental for the team and should be benched. He is like my friend, who is forever stuck in Gold 3. Very good mechanics, high kill/death ratio, good at snowballing and carrying team, but 'bad' at the game. He always wonders why I am in plat, eventhough I have less kills on average (thats all that matters to him). And he aslways butthurt when he loses the lane due to enemy jungle pressure. Eventhough our jungle securing all objectives. Some people never learn I guess.
calling trick top 10 jungler in na is hilarious when the guy has never been even in challenger. sure you can say ''oh hes an entertainer we've never seen him be serious'' but that doesn't prove that he's actually good lmao.
Getting into challenger isn't really hard given time and effort. Pretty sure even I can do it with my shitty mechanics.
yeah makes you wonder why hes been mid dia mostly with 100+ games /s and thats not even the point. challenger is a requirement/bare minimum to be top 10 at any position. if you havent ever achieved what is an effortless venture for actual good players, you're probably not in the running for top 10.
Maybe thats because his goal isn't to be top 10 or even challenger for that matter.
Link clearly has some real problems taking responsibility for his issues. How he called his team out for destroying Dexter emotionally then brushes over the role he had (televised on ctc) was pretty telling. As much as I hate using the word, he comes across as quite immature emotionally.
Doublelift's response is self-reflective and pragmatic in contrast.
for a second I thought that Scarra was still CLG coach and Double's bit about no one helping him was that much better because he'd be throwing his current coach under the bus.
Still good reading though, that bit about Link blame deflecting in the same letter he calls blame deflecting the worst thing one can do is spot on.
On May 14 2015 18:36 Amarok wrote: Link clearly has some real problems taking responsibility for his issues. How he called his team out for destroying Dexter emotionally then brushes over the role he had (televised on ctc) was pretty telling. As much as I hate using the word, he comes across as quite immature emotionally.
Doublelift's response is self-reflective and pragmatic in contrast.
On May 14 2015 18:39 DystopiaX wrote: for a second I thought that Scarra was still CLG coach and Double's bit about no one helping him was that much better because he'd be throwing his current coach under the bus.
Still good reading though, that bit about Link blame deflecting in the same letter he calls blame deflecting the worst thing one can do is spot on.
Apparently, Scarra is trying out for CLG.Black coaching position according to r/clg, lomo.
On May 14 2015 15:23 saddaromma wrote: Trick is really smart, but his mechanics are not there, or atleast I didnt witness them because he always plays low skill champs. Nightblue on the other hand is good, but I haven't seen him tryhard mode. both are fucking around to entertain viewers, so we can't really tell.
On link's blog: I think Dlift is very detrimental for the team and should be benched. He is like my friend, who is forever stuck in Gold 3. Very good mechanics, high kill/death ratio, good at snowballing and carrying team, but 'bad' at the game. He always wonders why I am in plat, eventhough I have less kills on average (thats all that matters to him). And he aslways butthurt when he loses the lane due to enemy jungle pressure. Eventhough our jungle securing all objectives. Some people never learn I guess.
calling trick top 10 jungler in na is hilarious when the guy has never been even in challenger. sure you can say ''oh hes an entertainer we've never seen him be serious'' but that doesn't prove that he's actually good lmao.
Getting into challenger isn't really hard given time and effort. Pretty sure even I can do it with my shitty mechanics.
yeah makes you wonder why hes been mid dia mostly with 100+ games /s and thats not even the point. challenger is a requirement/bare minimum to be top 10 at any position. if you havent ever achieved what is an effortless venture for actual good players, you're probably not in the running for top 10.
Maybe thats because his goal isn't to be top 10 or even challenger for that matter.
you're missing the point again actual top 10 players get challenger like they eat breakfast. its so fucking easy for them that it doesn't require any extra effort. if trick2g was an actual top 10 player he would've gotten challenger at some point in his life whether his goal is to get it or not.
now do you get how silly your argument is?
My argument of what?
Oh please, and drop that top 10 are something godlike idea. Is Dyrus significantly better than Trick? No. Is he considered top 10 toplaner NA? Yes. The only difference Dyrus always plays to win, trick plays to please the crowd.
Do you think if doublelift played everygame splitpushing and dancing at enemy nexus he would get challenger, I hardly doubt. When pro's stream they don't fuck around coz people watch them for skills.
On May 14 2015 15:23 saddaromma wrote: Trick is really smart, but his mechanics are not there, or atleast I didnt witness them because he always plays low skill champs. Nightblue on the other hand is good, but I haven't seen him tryhard mode. both are fucking around to entertain viewers, so we can't really tell.
On link's blog: I think Dlift is very detrimental for the team and should be benched. He is like my friend, who is forever stuck in Gold 3. Very good mechanics, high kill/death ratio, good at snowballing and carrying team, but 'bad' at the game. He always wonders why I am in plat, eventhough I have less kills on average (thats all that matters to him). And he aslways butthurt when he loses the lane due to enemy jungle pressure. Eventhough our jungle securing all objectives. Some people never learn I guess.
calling trick top 10 jungler in na is hilarious when the guy has never been even in challenger. sure you can say ''oh hes an entertainer we've never seen him be serious'' but that doesn't prove that he's actually good lmao.
Getting into challenger isn't really hard given time and effort. Pretty sure even I can do it with my shitty mechanics.
yeah makes you wonder why hes been mid dia mostly with 100+ games /s and thats not even the point. challenger is a requirement/bare minimum to be top 10 at any position. if you havent ever achieved what is an effortless venture for actual good players, you're probably not in the running for top 10.
Maybe thats because his goal isn't to be top 10 or even challenger for that matter.
you're missing the point again actual top 10 players get challenger like they eat breakfast. its so fucking easy for them that it doesn't require any extra effort. if trick2g was an actual top 10 player he would've gotten challenger at some point in his life whether his goal is to get it or not.
now do you get how silly your argument is?
My argument of what?
Oh please, and drop that top 10 are something godlike idea. Is Dyrus significantly better than Trick? No. Is he considered top 10 toplaner NA? Yes. The only difference Dyrus always plays to win, trick plays to please the crowd.
Do you think if doublelift played everygame splitpushing and dancing at enemy nexus he would get challenger, I hardly doubt. When pro's stream they don't fuck around coz people watch them for skills.
1) Yes Dyrus is significantly better than Trick. wtf are you smoking? 2) Again, terrible example. doublelift playing every game dancing at nexus and splitpushing for the sake of it is putting effort into losing. also pros not fucking around stream is also hilarious. enter keane playing a-z midlaners, meteos playing jungle MF like a week ago, and countless other examples.
are you a trick2g sub or something? you sound delusional
-First of all I never said trick is top 10. My original statement on him was "Trick is really smart, but his mechanics are not there, or atleast I didnt witness them because he always plays low skill champs." Which is in any way doesnt mean he is pro material. You keep bringing up this top10 shit, I don't know why. -Secondly, No, Dyrus isn't significantly better than Trick. Given if trick had same training process with 24/7 LoL only lifestyle. Did you even watch how Dyrus played Riven last two days? TBH I was so embarassed to watch that, like wtf NA. -Thirdly, pros don't do crazy stuff everyday. They (if you follow them closely) sometimes go offstream and admit onstream they are dropping too much elo and need to fix that by tryharding. -Lastly, please learn not to go personal when having argument with someone. What the fuck these words 'delusional/silly idea'.
Effort is part of being a better player though. If Dyrus puts in more training and is better because of it, it DOES make him better than Trick. If he doesn't care enough to get better at the game then that makes Trick a worse player than Dyrus. That's some bronze scrub level "oh if I really grinded soloqueue I'd be gold" mentality. Koreans are better because of their infrastructure but also because they play way more League than western pros.
Also I guarantee that Dyrus is way better than Trick lol, bad Riven or no.
On May 14 2015 19:22 DystopiaX wrote: Effort is part of being a better player though. If Dyrus puts in more training and is better because of it, it DOES make him better than Trick. If he doesn't care enough to get better at the game then that makes Trick a worse player than Dyrus. That's some bronze scrub level "oh if I really grinded soloqueue I'd be gold" mentality. Koreans are better because of their infrastructure but also because they play way more League than western pros.
Also I guarantee that Dyrus is way better than Trick lol, bad Riven or no.
I rofld when Dyrus failed to make over thin wall two times in a row with Riven Q.
All in all, what I want to say, I don't really think Dyrus is bad player. Quite opposite, I think he fits tsm well. What I generally mean, not everyone in diamond is tryharding. Many of them are fulltime students/workers therefore they dont have enough time and dedication to climb further. Can tsm put Trick into their roster now? No fucking way. After 6 months training? maybe, if the tank meta stays. If meta shifts to high skill champions I doubt Trick can keep up mechanically. Generally though, not all LCS players are godlike or unachievable.
On May 14 2015 15:23 saddaromma wrote: Trick is really smart, but his mechanics are not there, or atleast I didnt witness them because he always plays low skill champs. Nightblue on the other hand is good, but I haven't seen him tryhard mode. both are fucking around to entertain viewers, so we can't really tell.
On link's blog: I think Dlift is very detrimental for the team and should be benched. He is like my friend, who is forever stuck in Gold 3. Very good mechanics, high kill/death ratio, good at snowballing and carrying team, but 'bad' at the game. He always wonders why I am in plat, eventhough I have less kills on average (thats all that matters to him). And he aslways butthurt when he loses the lane due to enemy jungle pressure. Eventhough our jungle securing all objectives. Some people never learn I guess.
calling trick top 10 jungler in na is hilarious when the guy has never been even in challenger. sure you can say ''oh hes an entertainer we've never seen him be serious'' but that doesn't prove that he's actually good lmao.
Getting into challenger isn't really hard given time and effort. Pretty sure even I can do it with my shitty mechanics.
yeah makes you wonder why hes been mid dia mostly with 100+ games /s and thats not even the point. challenger is a requirement/bare minimum to be top 10 at any position. if you havent ever achieved what is an effortless venture for actual good players, you're probably not in the running for top 10.
Maybe thats because his goal isn't to be top 10 or even challenger for that matter.
you're missing the point again actual top 10 players get challenger like they eat breakfast. its so fucking easy for them that it doesn't require any extra effort. if trick2g was an actual top 10 player he would've gotten challenger at some point in his life whether his goal is to get it or not.
now do you get how silly your argument is?
My argument of what?
Oh please, and drop that top 10 are something godlike idea. Is Dyrus significantly better than Trick? No. Is he considered top 10 toplaner NA? Yes. The only difference Dyrus always plays to win, trick plays to please the crowd.
Do you think if doublelift played everygame splitpushing and dancing at enemy nexus he would get challenger, I hardly doubt. When pro's stream they don't fuck around coz people watch them for skills.
1) Yes Dyrus is significantly better than Trick. wtf are you smoking? 2) Again, terrible example. doublelift playing every game dancing at nexus and splitpushing for the sake of it is putting effort into losing. also pros not fucking around stream is also hilarious. enter keane playing a-z midlaners, meteos playing jungle MF like a week ago, and countless other examples.
are you a trick2g sub or something? you sound delusional
-First of all I never said trick is top 10. My original statement on him was "Trick is really smart, but his mechanics are not there, or atleast I didnt witness them because he always plays low skill champs." Which is in any way doesnt mean he is pro material. You keep bringing up this top10 shit, I don't know why. -Secondly, No, Dyrus isn't significantly better than Trick. Given if trick had same training process with 24/7 LoL only lifestyle. Did you even watch how Dyrus played Riven last two days? TBH I was so embarassed to watch that, like wtf NA. -Thirdly, pros don't do crazy stuff everyday. They (if you follow them closely) sometimes go offstream and admit onstream they are dropping too much elo and need to fix that by tryharding. -Lastly, please learn not to go personal when having argument with someone. What the fuck these words 'delusional/silly idea'.
- you implied he could be since you said 'we can't tell'. of course we can tell. he's absolutely not a top jungler and to bring up the point that he hasn't tried to be one is stupid because that's like saying we can't tell if I'm the best golfer in the world because I've never tried to be one. its redundant at best. -yes he is. you think dyrus isn't significantly better than trick based on a few games of soloq in 1 day in an elo miles above trick? k. - pros doing crazy stuff isn't even my point. you seem to have a hard time understanding them so here it is again: my point is that all streaming pros are different and some fuck around more and some tryhard more. you can't generalize all of them into one category. -its not personal. the notion that trick2g is on a similar level as dyrus is just so silly that the only logical explanation I can think of is you're a trick2g fan with an extreme perception of him.
Implied what? he is top 10? Wtf wrong with you. I can't tell what is his real skill level thats all there is. I wasn't admiring the possibility him being top 10. I don't even think its possible. Since some of his plays are godawful.
Again going personal, not a fan, not a fan of anyone except maybe my hometown football team. I don't even watch trick2g that much. Only sometimes when I grab a bear to have fun. My general preferences are Froggen, Bjergsen, Koreans for their skills. I watch Dyrus for same reason as trick2g, for the lulz and fun.
On May 14 2015 17:54 saddaromma wrote: [quote] Getting into challenger isn't really hard given time and effort. Pretty sure even I can do it with my shitty mechanics.
yeah makes you wonder why hes been mid dia mostly with 100+ games /s and thats not even the point. challenger is a requirement/bare minimum to be top 10 at any position. if you havent ever achieved what is an effortless venture for actual good players, you're probably not in the running for top 10.
Maybe thats because his goal isn't to be top 10 or even challenger for that matter.
you're missing the point again actual top 10 players get challenger like they eat breakfast. its so fucking easy for them that it doesn't require any extra effort. if trick2g was an actual top 10 player he would've gotten challenger at some point in his life whether his goal is to get it or not.
now do you get how silly your argument is?
My argument of what?
Oh please, and drop that top 10 are something godlike idea. Is Dyrus significantly better than Trick? No. Is he considered top 10 toplaner NA? Yes. The only difference Dyrus always plays to win, trick plays to please the crowd.
Do you think if doublelift played everygame splitpushing and dancing at enemy nexus he would get challenger, I hardly doubt. When pro's stream they don't fuck around coz people watch them for skills.
1) Yes Dyrus is significantly better than Trick. wtf are you smoking? 2) Again, terrible example. doublelift playing every game dancing at nexus and splitpushing for the sake of it is putting effort into losing. also pros not fucking around stream is also hilarious. enter keane playing a-z midlaners, meteos playing jungle MF like a week ago, and countless other examples.
are you a trick2g sub or something? you sound delusional
-First of all I never said trick is top 10. My original statement on him was "Trick is really smart, but his mechanics are not there, or atleast I didnt witness them because he always plays low skill champs." Which is in any way doesnt mean he is pro material. You keep bringing up this top10 shit, I don't know why. -Secondly, No, Dyrus isn't significantly better than Trick. Given if trick had same training process with 24/7 LoL only lifestyle. Did you even watch how Dyrus played Riven last two days? TBH I was so embarassed to watch that, like wtf NA. -Thirdly, pros don't do crazy stuff everyday. They (if you follow them closely) sometimes go offstream and admit onstream they are dropping too much elo and need to fix that by tryharding. -Lastly, please learn not to go personal when having argument with someone. What the fuck these words 'delusional/silly idea'.
- you implied he could be since you said 'we can't tell'. of course we can tell. he's absolutely not a top jungler and to bring up the point that he hasn't tried to be one is stupid because that's like saying we can't tell if I'm the best golfer in the world because I've never tried to be one. its redundant at best. -yes he is. you think dyrus isn't significantly better than trick based on a few games of soloq in 1 day in an elo miles above trick? k. - pros doing crazy stuff isn't even my point. you seem to have a hard time understanding them so here it is again: my point is that all streaming pros are different and some fuck around more and some tryhard more. you can't generalize all of them into one category. -its not personal. the notion that trick2g is on a similar level as dyrus is just so silly that the only logical explanation I can think of is you're a trick2g fan with an extreme perception of him.
Implied what? he is top 10? Wtf wrong with you. I can't tell what is his real skill level thats all there is. I wasn't admiring the possibility him being top 10. I don't even think its possible. Since some of his plays are godawful.
Again going personal, not a fan, not a fan of anyone except maybe my hometown football team. I don't even watch trick2g that much. Only sometimes when I grab a bear to have fun. My general preferences are Froggen, Bjergsen, Koreans for their skills. I watch Dyrus for same reason as trick2g, for the lulz and fun.
I wasn't admiring the possibility him being top 10. I don't even think its possible.
????? that's exactly what i've been saying the whole time.
you're asking me wtf is wrong with me? thats what i've been saying while you bring all these nonsensical arguments only to agree with me at the end thinking for god knows what reason that I've been arguing something else.
k i'm done with this. im guessing english isn't your first language and something is getting lost in translation.
No dude, I was arguing with you because you sounded it like top challenger and pro level is something unachievable for regular guys with no exceptional talents. All I am saying its very much possible in NA in its current state.
So tl;dr of this Link article is that he is seriously delusional as fuck and I can't even be sure about any of what he said.
He might think he has talent but he was dumpstered repeatedly by pretty much everyone in NA over the past 18 months so I can understand the frustration DL aimed at him during that time since he could actually win his lane.
It's not like this iteration of CLG will be any better, they have to actually get an effective team environment/support staff or they'll still bomb out in playoffs like they always do.
On May 14 2015 20:19 las91 wrote: So tl;dr of this Link article is that he is seriously delusional as fuck and I can't even be sure about any of what he said.
He might think he has talent but he was dumpstered repeatedly by pretty much everyone in NA over the past 18 months so I can understand the frustration DL aimed at him during that time since he could actually win his lane.
It's not like this iteration of CLG will be any better, they have to actually get an effective team environment/support staff or they'll still bomb out in playoffs like they always do.
They lost because they didn't play well as a team (like TSM in MSI). Has nothing to do with link's performance on solo lane.
The real thing they're missing is a leader. Double seems unwilling to take that on and the others seem unable, possibly in part to them being unable to handle double effectively but for the most part none of them seem capable. I'm sure there are people out there who can do it but I doubt pobelter is one of them.
On May 15 2015 00:23 Numy wrote: I thought he was quitting after burning that bridge down.
Gamepedia trying to get views on drama. nothing new. "Muh Link joined muh Seraph, now we just need Nien, Saint and Chauster and this is truly anti-CLG team" My Godness, why are people that stupid.
Other than the part where Link absolves himself of most of the blame, I do think what he wrote makes a lot of sense. Apparently Chauster is preparing a big post too.
On May 15 2015 01:39 Mensol wrote: Link revealed all the secrets and playstyle of CLG
It's like he want CLG to relegate lmoa.
He also lit a huge fire in the CLG camp to perhaps finally push them deal with their problems, since every other method so far hasn't worked. It's now on CLG to really wake up and fix things faster than opposing teams can use this information to exploit them.
Wait, didn't Link just say in his little writeup that Dexter was doing something stupid here? It looks like someone pinged on TSM's red buff(probably Dexter) while Double was initially backing. Link went into the banana brush behind baron pit, saw it was pink warded and instead of walking towards his team he ran in the opposite direction into TSM. Good riddance to bad rubbish. Then Doublelift basically runs into the enemy team 1v4 and suicides.
The whole letter is basically a fuck you to CLG. I guess he doesn't want a job in e-sports. I don't see any team signing him after this. Which is a shame, because according to him he's the best analyst on CLG. He purportedly watches more games than Scarra and Zikz and comes up with all the level 1 strats with Aphro.
Worse than Trick2g who is the absolute Godyre of the jungle. Link references XJ9 as a top NA jungle. Come on. How would anyone even know that?
If only Hotshot took the money he put into CLG up to this point and invested it into cloning research instead, maybe we'd've realized the four Chausters + Doublelift dream team already.
Wait, didn't Link just say in his little writeup that Dexter was doing something stupid here? It looks like someone pinged on TSM's red buff(probably Dexter) while Double was initially backing. Link went into the banana brush behind baron pit, saw it was pink warded and instead of walking towards his team he ran in the opposite direction into TSM. Good riddance to bad rubbish. Then Doublelift basically runs into the enemy team 1v4 and suicides.
The whole letter is basically a fuck you to CLG. I guess he doesn't want a job in e-sports. I don't see any team signing him after this. Which is a shame, because according to him he's the best analyst on CLG. He purportedly watches more games than Scarra and Zikz and comes up with all the level 1 strats with Aphro.
Worse than Trick2g who is the absolute Godyre of the jungle. Link references XJ9 as a top NA jungle. Come on. How would anyone even know that?
It's pretty known that XJ9 is best NA jungler to play this game, lol. And if you read letter, you probably could learn that he's not searching anyting in esports and going back to Berkeley.
So much ridiculous shit. They should just hire R. Lee Ermey to come in and be their coach while simply yelling at and berating them for hours on end. Then they simply forge bonds of friendship through mutual hatred of their coach and win purely to spite him. At least that'd be funny.
Instead I'm sure they'll fine an ineffectual coach and CLG will have ups and downs and finish in the middle. Shocking.
edit: Also 0% chance of me reading 18 pages of a Delusional Link make justifications.
You can't really blame 4 splits of problems on one player :^)
Burn that shit to the ground. Only problem is HSGG doesn't have the balls or managerial chops to do so. Kick Double and Link, pick any random soloq talent, hire a good coach, and you'll get a team that can at least go somewhere. Instead of straight into the garbage as soon as team issues don't automatically work themselves out.
If Stixxay happens, and he plays more than like two games, I will be *amazed.* I don't think there's a chance in hell he gets any serious play time.
Wait, didn't Link just say in his little writeup that Dexter was doing something stupid here? It looks like someone pinged on TSM's red buff(probably Dexter) while Double was initially backing. Link went into the banana brush behind baron pit, saw it was pink warded and instead of walking towards his team he ran in the opposite direction into TSM. Good riddance to bad rubbish. Then Doublelift basically runs into the enemy team 1v4 and suicides.
The whole letter is basically a fuck you to CLG. I guess he doesn't want a job in e-sports. I don't see any team signing him after this. Which is a shame, because according to him he's the best analyst on CLG. He purportedly watches more games than Scarra and Zikz and comes up with all the level 1 strats with Aphro.
Worse than Trick2g who is the absolute Godyre of the jungle. Link references XJ9 as a top NA jungle. Come on. How would anyone even know that?
It's pretty known that XJ9 is best NA jungler to play this game, lol. And if you read letter, you probably could learn that he's not searching anyting in esports and going back to Berkeley.
Saying XJ9 is one of the best junglers in NA is a bit like saying Apdo is the best Korean mid laner. Except, XJ9 hasn't played in 2 years. So the whole idea is pretty ridiculous to me.
Yeah man, there was no way I was reading through that whole thing. If he used 'like' less and removed 'lol' and 'lmao' I would've been more inclined to give it a proper go. Let me assure you, I was quite thorough in the skim my friend.
Link states that he doesn't (want to) work with passive/non shotcalling junglers, and is then surprised/salty when the team wants to try other midlaners. LOL. Clearly a shotcalling mid would work better with dexter/xsmithie. They should have never got link back when they realised Xsmithie is quiet, shouldve looked for a loud shotcalling mid right from them on.
Looks to me like link has emotional issues, he seems to have low self esteem while somehow also thinking he was carrying the team and doing everything better than every other member of CLG. I find it really strange that he blames lots of other people and never really says anything about all the mistakes he made.
Doublelift is a egomaniac but I think a strong coach/strong shotcalling midlaner could help him. Just watching Trick tell him what to do was kinda interesting, seemed like the kinda thing he needs. DL also clearly has trust issues. I think it has something to do with his parents/how he was raised.
Like other people said best idea would be to get rid of DL aswell but thats probably not happening. If they get a good coach I think they MIGHT be ok...
To be fair to Link he has carried the team. He had the highest kill participation and easily the highest damage dealt to enemy champs last split. Go further back, look at the summer split. He came back from all-stars and was a friggen god. He was actually winning in CS and dominating his lane opponent. CLG was number 1 until the end where he slumped like crazy. CLG's performance really has hinged on Link's performance. The problem has always come in when they go to tournaments and playoffs Link will choke. Then the team has no idea what to do because they've relied so heavily on Link.
Also I think CLG could've also done what Link wanted and got a shot calling Jungler which may have worked better. But having a Mid player and a Jungle player that have no chemistry in a meta where jungle & mid is so important.... Is never going to work.
This never happened, possibly because noone trusted Link, possibly because Link wasn't vocal enough regarding asking for the tools he needs what he needed to excel.
On a slightly different note, I think Doublelift needs to be a on a team where nobody respects him. People need to ignore everything he shotcalls in the game and tell him what to do. Let him feed information to the team but don't let him make calls.
On a slightly different note, I think Doublelift needs to be a on a team where nobody respects him. People need to ignore everything he shotcalls in the game and tell him what to do. Let him feed information to the team but don't let him make calls.
On May 15 2015 07:42 Sonnington wrote: To be fair to Link he has carried the team. He had the highest kill participation and easily the highest damage dealt to enemy champs last split. Go further back, look at the summer split. He came back from all-stars and was a friggen god. He was actually winning in CS and dominating his lane opponent. CLG was number 1 until the end where he slumped like crazy. CLG's performance really has hinged on Link's performance. The problem has always come in when they go to tournaments and playoffs Link will choke. Then the team has no idea what to do because they've relied so heavily on Link.
Oh good old find someone to blame. So much soloq mentality inhere. There is no such thing as choking. Either your team fail or they will win. Apparently CLG was/is disfuctioning. It has nothing to do with individual player performance. It is not SOLO-Q ffs.
On May 15 2015 07:42 Sonnington wrote: To be fair to Link he has carried the team. He had the highest kill participation and easily the highest damage dealt to enemy champs last split. Go further back, look at the summer split. He came back from all-stars and was a friggen god. He was actually winning in CS and dominating his lane opponent. CLG was number 1 until the end where he slumped like crazy. CLG's performance really has hinged on Link's performance. The problem has always come in when they go to tournaments and playoffs Link will choke. Then the team has no idea what to do because they've relied so heavily on Link.
Oh good old find someone to blame. So much soloq mentality inhere. There is no such thing as choking. Either your team fail or they will win. Apparently CLG was/is disfuctioning. It has nothing to do with individual player performance. It is not SOLO-Q ffs.
lol?
Are you trying to say everyone on a team has equal influence on every game they play? That's beyond ridiculous.
One day I went to middle lane to do what I always did and Link told me not to take his CS or to come middle lane unless he asks me to. I was going to argue back but then the god himself Doublelift speaks up and says he hates it when someone steals his CS.
Chauster is a legend :dddddddddddd that was a fun read.
On May 15 2015 07:42 Sonnington wrote: To be fair to Link he has carried the team. He had the highest kill participation and easily the highest damage dealt to enemy champs last split. Go further back, look at the summer split. He came back from all-stars and was a friggen god. He was actually winning in CS and dominating his lane opponent. CLG was number 1 until the end where he slumped like crazy. CLG's performance really has hinged on Link's performance. The problem has always come in when they go to tournaments and playoffs Link will choke. Then the team has no idea what to do because they've relied so heavily on Link.
Oh good old find someone to blame. So much soloq mentality inhere. There is no such thing as choking. Either your team fail or they will win. Apparently CLG was/is disfuctioning. It has nothing to do with individual player performance. It is not SOLO-Q ffs.
lol?
Are you trying to say everyone on a team has equal influence on every game they play? That's beyond ridiculous.
saying that whole team relies on one player is even more ridiculous. far beyond ridiculous.
"The problems never had to be the players because if there had been an established infrastructure, 95% of the player problems would not even exist."
Some true-ass insight from Chau right there. The biggest difference between TSM and CLG has always been Regi and Hotshot, and well, one is a lot firmer and has a lot more impact. So, one team wins; one team dies.
It's amusing reading all these personal disclosures, all of them think they're the best thing sinced sliced bread and none seem to have the vaguest understanding of the concept of empathy.
On May 15 2015 07:42 Sonnington wrote: To be fair to Link he has carried the team. He had the highest kill participation and easily the highest damage dealt to enemy champs last split. Go further back, look at the summer split. He came back from all-stars and was a friggen god. He was actually winning in CS and dominating his lane opponent. CLG was number 1 until the end where he slumped like crazy. CLG's performance really has hinged on Link's performance. The problem has always come in when they go to tournaments and playoffs Link will choke. Then the team has no idea what to do because they've relied so heavily on Link.
Oh good old find someone to blame. So much soloq mentality inhere. There is no such thing as choking. Either your team fail or they will win. Apparently CLG was/is disfuctioning. It has nothing to do with individual player performance. It is not SOLO-Q ffs.
lol?
Are you trying to say everyone on a team has equal influence on every game they play? That's beyond ridiculous.
saying that whole team relies on one player is even more ridiculous. far beyond ridiculous.
Yeah mate. To think there's some sort of correlation between how the best player on a team plays and whether the team wins or not. What a weird concept...
On May 15 2015 12:36 Dan HH wrote: It's amusing reading all these personal disclosures, all of them think they're the best thing sinced sliced bread and none seem to have the vaguest understanding of the concept of empathy.
At the cost of empathy, these ex-CLG members aside from Doublelift are protecting their self image by defending themselves with their point of view while somehow magically signaling CLG management that things need to change, and they need to change quickly.
Chauster's story is just icing on the cake with enough honesty and jest to solidify this drama
Eventually I found out that Saint was just a pathological liar.
Oh, damn.
Hotshot is the type of person to not be able to handle criticism on the spot and he becomes hyper defensive, which when combined with how I used to be, the environment becomes not as productive as I am trying to make him accept the wrong then and there.
Couldn't agree more on this one.
The best example that I remember is after taking a tower early game, Double (Caitlyn) farmed wraiths and wolves on cooldown because it was “impossible to take mid tower versus an orianna” 3v1 as she had “wave clear”.
That explains a bit that Doublelift isn't that good at game understanding and lane phase is everything to him.
The biggest problem with Voyboy was that he always wanted to run crazy top laners that were literally picked just to be hip.
Voy !!!! )))
Kelby approached me after the tryouts and informed me that I could join the team as tryouts had failed (I believe nrated tried out and one of the terms was that his GF MUST live in the house which was a no go as CLG has learned not to trust GFs in their short life as an organization).
Huehue ^^
A phrase that became common to the team was “whoops, I’m dead”. The phrase was so common that we would mock Voy because we thought it was funny and Voy told us not to because he didn’t want it to become a thing. 8D
That's a good one.
Once he was on that train of thought, he never let go, and eventually we decided that Elementz was not fit to be on the team. I agreed as well as jiji, so we made Saint look completely innocent while we had to boot Elementz off the team. Tl;dr, we told Elementz he was getting kicked off the team and one minute later everyone ended the call and then everyone went to play solo queue. Elementz was just left in a Skype chat by himself, so I did him a favor and explained what I thought.
That was pretty cruel how did they handle Elements removal from the team...
Also as expected, Chauster confirmed that Saint was CLG's best jungler.
The problem with all of this? It's not even good drama. I mean, really is anything that has been said by either of these 3 people shocking or revealing? All of this seems like things people have been saying since forever.
It just happens to all be put out in the open all at once, even those most of this was accurately discussed/speculated on for years.
On May 15 2015 13:45 I_Love_Bacon wrote: The problem with all of this? It's not even good drama. I mean, really is anything that has been said by either of these 3 people shocking or revealing? All of this seems like things people have been saying since forever.
It just happens to all be put out in the open all at once, even those most of this was accurately discussed/speculated on for years.
Pretty much this. If you analyzed the games you could see it clear as day. Plus back then they streamed everything. So could easily guess what was actually going on behind the scenes.
This just confirms it and is finally out in the open for all to see.
Wouldn't the hilarious outcome of this be that now CLG crushes NA, wins the summer split, goes to worlds and then chokes as hard as TSM did at MSI and then we get more cyclical drama?
On May 15 2015 22:23 Zdrastochye wrote: Wouldn't the hilarious outcome of this be that now CLG crushes NA, wins the summer split, goes to worlds and then chokes as hard as TSM did at MSI and then we get more cyclical drama?
TSM didn't even choke they basically lost every game they were supposed to except maybe one (vs. FNC)~_~
On May 15 2015 23:06 Zdrastochye wrote: I disagree with you that they could never beat AHQ.
That's not what he's saying though...
Just that it's not "choking" for TSM to lose to AHQ. Cheep goes a little farther and calls it the expected result, but even if you don't consider it expected, TSM still hasn't performed so well that a loss to AHQ could be considered choking.
Choking would imply that their odds were better than 60-40 going in and that they significantly underperformed to lose, which isn't true. Even TSM at peak performance would not be that favored against AHQ.
On May 15 2015 22:23 Zdrastochye wrote: Wouldn't the hilarious outcome of this be that now CLG crushes NA, wins the summer split, goes to worlds and then chokes as hard as TSM did at MSI and then we get more cyclical drama?
TSM didn't even choke they basically lost every game they were supposed to except maybe one (vs. FNC)~_~
TSM didn't just lose. they got fucking butt pounded by a fucking crowbar in every single loss. I think every game they only had single digit kills, while their opponents were like 25+kills up.
On May 15 2015 22:23 Zdrastochye wrote: Wouldn't the hilarious outcome of this be that now CLG crushes NA, wins the summer split, goes to worlds and then chokes as hard as TSM did at MSI and then we get more cyclical drama?
TSM didn't even choke they basically lost every game they were supposed to except maybe one (vs. FNC)~_~
TSM didn't just lose. they got fucking butt pounded by a fucking crowbar in every single loss. I think every game they only had single digit kills, while their opponents were like 25+kills up.
They had 29m25s average time in losses, what else do you need.
On May 15 2015 23:06 Zdrastochye wrote: I disagree with you that they could never beat AHQ.
That's not what he's saying though...
Just that it's not "choking" for TSM to lose to AHQ. Cheep goes a little farther and calls it the expected result, but even if you don't consider it expected, TSM still hasn't performed so well that a loss to AHQ could be considered choking.
Choking would imply that their odds were better than 60-40 going in and that they significantly underperformed to lose, which isn't true. Even TSM at peak performance would not be that favored against AHQ.
Yeah even though it's been said below me, the choking wasn't them losing, it was how one-sided the games were when they realistically could have done much better. The choking was them playing far inferior to how they've played leading up to MSI. They're not a strong team on the global stage, but they're certainly a better team than what they showed at MSI.
On May 15 2015 22:23 Zdrastochye wrote: Wouldn't the hilarious outcome of this be that now CLG crushes NA, wins the summer split, goes to worlds and then chokes as hard as TSM did at MSI and then we get more cyclical drama?
TSM didn't even choke they basically lost every game they were supposed to except maybe one (vs. FNC)~_~
TSM didn't just lose. they got fucking butt pounded by a fucking crowbar in every single loss. I think every game they only had single digit kills, while their opponents were like 25+kills up.
They had 29m25s average time in losses, what else do you need.
the games were such a stomp that teams ended up styling on them and making games a lot longer than they should have, plus ziggs is cancer stall.
lustboy said the exact same thing, not to mention they pay like shit.
Lustboy at least was relevant in Korea for 1,5 years and not for bunch of OGN qualifier games. Inb4 Doublelift burns HuHi, so Korean soloqueue will look like heaven.
lustboy said the exact same thing, not to mention they pay like shit.
Lustboy at least was relevant in Korea for 1,5 years and not for bunch of OGN qualifier games. Inb4 Doublelift burns HuHi, so Korean soloqueue will look like heaven.
EPT
Austin 'Link' Shin decided to step down as CLG starting midlaner.
Choi 'HuHi' Jae-Hyun from disbanded Team Fusion are going to step in to complete 6-man roster for CLG this season.
Jake 'Xmithie' Puchero - jungle
Choi 'HuHi' Jae-Hyun - midlane
)))
