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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 19 2015 18:42 GMT
#501
Lategame crit values more or less fall within the range where crit normalization really works well, though.
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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
May 19 2015 18:44 GMT
#502
On May 20 2015 03:42 TheYango wrote:
Lategame crit values more or less fall within the range where crit normalization really works well, though.

Not really because very often the ad will get 1 or 2 free autos on the enemy carries and the difference between crits and not can easily be the decider.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-19 18:46:35
May 19 2015 18:46 GMT
#503
New Ashe sucks, old Ashe better ;d\
Dunno why Riot hates Crit.
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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-19 18:50:18
May 19 2015 18:47 GMT
#504
On May 20 2015 03:42 TheYango wrote:
Lategame crit values more or less fall within the range where crit normalization really works well, though.


Less likely to happen doesn't mean it can't happen.

Its possible for a random crit to decide an entire game. And eventually it will happen in a game with millions of people watching, there will be outcry, and riot will change its mind about liking crit RNG.

It'll be something really appallingly stupid like a jungle xin Zhao taking one crit glyph and critting the enemy ADC to kill them right before dying on a 0.2% crit chance in a 55 minute game at worlds and everybody will lol super hard at how dumb it is.

That's my thought process anyway.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-19 18:58:01
May 19 2015 18:54 GMT
#505
On May 20 2015 03:36 Ketara wrote:
I know they are saying that now, but I think there is mounting evidence to support a contrary standpoint and I think they are going to change their opinion eventually.

Just need to have a few more high profile pro games where its obvious that an errant crit decides a late game team fight and thus the entire game.

problem is most pro games are complete stomp fests, of which errand crits almost never decides which team wins or loses.
On May 20 2015 03:46 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
New Ashe sucks, old Ashe better ;d\
Dunno why Riot hates Crit.

new ashe's lane is god tier imo.

Not sure what the exact break point is on Ashe, but pretty sure it's like 3-4 autos + rotations from nuAshe to deal the same damage as 1-2 autos from old ashe + rotation, then after that it easily outstrips old Ashe's dps.
liftlift > tsm
Vegetarian Wolf
Profile Joined May 2010
China434 Posts
May 19 2015 19:04 GMT
#506
Hypothetical scenario help-

It's ~20 minutes into the game and you're playing ADC. You're doing red buff (took some time and damage doing it), and then your jungler walks by and smites it without a word.

What would you do next?
Awooo...
JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
May 19 2015 19:09 GMT
#507
On May 20 2015 04:04 Vegetarian Wolf wrote:
Hypothetical scenario help-

It's ~20 minutes into the game and you're playing ADC. You're doing red buff (took some time and damage doing it), and then your jungler walks by and smites it without a word.

What would you do next?


Thank him for ganking my lane so well earlier in the game and tell him if he needs help with red buff again I'm always around. Honor him for teamwork after the game.
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Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
May 19 2015 19:10 GMT
#508
NuAshes lane is stronger against the things it was really strong against and weaker against the things it was weak against. I a not sure if it's right to say that it's stronger but it sure does snowball harder.

The w being harder to land is bad but if you're ahead and can zone then the lower CD makes it really punishing.

The lack of a cheese possibility with auto-crit is bad. But the extra slow from q means that any mistake is punishable by death unless they have their flash. Additionally the free AS from "crits" is nice in making her early trades comparable to other some other ADs.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 19 2015 19:12 GMT
#509
On May 20 2015 04:04 Vegetarian Wolf wrote:
Hypothetical scenario help-

It's ~20 minutes into the game and you're playing ADC. You're doing red buff (took some time and damage doing it), and then your jungler walks by and smites it without a word.

What would you do next?

Go back into lane and farm.
liftlift > tsm
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
May 19 2015 19:14 GMT
#510
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Vegetarian Wolf
Profile Joined May 2010
China434 Posts
May 19 2015 19:16 GMT
#511
On May 20 2015 04:04 Vegetarian Wolf wrote:
Hypothetical scenario help-

It's ~20 minutes into the game and you're playing ADC. You're doing red buff (took some time and damage doing it), and then your jungler walks by and smites it without a word.

What would you do next?


Sorry forgot to add a poll-

Poll: What would you do?

Carry on as normal (13)
 
68%

Flame him in chat (2)
 
11%

Combination of more than one of the above (please explain) (2)
 
11%

Split push all game (1)
 
5%

AFK at red until next one (1)
 
5%

AFK/DC (0)
 
0%

Start feeding intentionally (a few times) to vent (0)
 
0%

Start feeding (until the game ends) (0)
 
0%

Follow him in his jungle (0)
 
0%

Other (please explain) (0)
 
0%

19 total votes

Your vote: What would you do?

(Vote): Carry on as normal
(Vote): Split push all game
(Vote): AFK/DC
(Vote): Start feeding intentionally (a few times) to vent
(Vote): Start feeding (until the game ends)
(Vote): Follow him in his jungle
(Vote): AFK at red until next one
(Vote): Flame him in chat
(Vote): Combination of more than one of the above (please explain)
(Vote): Other (please explain)


Awooo...
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
May 19 2015 19:16 GMT
#512
I don't know if you can really compare old Ashe's laning to new Ashe. Volley + Crit and run is just fundamentally different from Volley + Engage w/ Ranger's Focus.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-19 19:19:00
May 19 2015 19:18 GMT
#513
On May 20 2015 04:04 Vegetarian Wolf wrote:
Hypothetical scenario help-

It's ~20 minutes into the game and you're playing ADC. You're doing red buff (took some time and damage doing it), and then your jungler walks by and smites it without a word.

What would you do next?


I do this all the time when I'm pissed at my adc taking redbuff when he shouldn't be (20 minutes id absolutely do it)
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
May 19 2015 19:21 GMT
#514
It depends on the amount of gold each of you control at the time.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
May 19 2015 19:22 GMT
#515
unless this guy has ie+pd or higher he's not getting my red buff
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
May 19 2015 19:24 GMT
#516
depends on the champ really, if you autoattack quite a bit then red is better on jungler then adc (people seem to forget the slow is stronger on melees)

i dont play adc much but if some one did that I know I would just start split pushing all game, thats my go to cant get banned for it but still trolling thing.
I come in for the scraps
thejuju
Profile Joined January 2015
United States413 Posts
May 19 2015 19:27 GMT
#517
On May 20 2015 04:04 Vegetarian Wolf wrote:
Hypothetical scenario help-

It's ~20 minutes into the game and you're playing ADC. You're doing red buff (took some time and damage doing it), and then your jungler walks by and smites it without a word.

What would you do next?

Follow him until he dies, then take the buff back from the enemy who killed him.

Then farm his wraiths and wolves. Then deny him every cs if he tries to get lane cs.
@whyjujuwhy | THE BIGGEST FRAUD ON LL | Ultimate Passionlord | N E V E R G I V E U P
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 19 2015 19:28 GMT
#518
Some guy just cut me off on the freeway!!!!
a) tail gate said guy until he pullsover and have a deathmatch.
b) purposely ram into the guys car, cuz fuck that dude.
c) go 3fast5him, cut him off, then brake check him.
d) go to your destination normally.
liftlift > tsm
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
May 19 2015 19:30 GMT
#519
Yeah, if you're at the point where you take time and damage doing red buff, you probably shouldn't be taking it in the first place. Go back to lane like a good boy while the jungler actually uses the red buff to do stuff
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35144 Posts
May 19 2015 19:33 GMT
#520
On May 20 2015 04:30 SagaZ wrote:
Yeah, if you're at the point where you take time and damage doing red buff, you probably shouldn't be taking it in the first place. Go back to lane like a good boy while the jungler actually uses the red buff to do stuff

But I need to slow these minions that immediately die!
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