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On May 16 2015 07:12 Jek wrote:
Wouldn't Viktor just Q-auto harass Ekko all day long?
It does no damage. To put it into perspective, pre-rework Viktor could use Q to nab a cs between two autos previously. New Q does less damage than any champion's auto on the initial cast.
Basically, you pay 45 mana to add 55 (+5/level) + 0.7 AP damage to one auto. Actually a bit less, because it makes the whole auto's damage magical, and champions have more MR than armour at early levels.
You can use it, don't get me wrong. But you don't do it "all day long" because E is still your clear and your main source of damage and you want to keep enough mana for this (apparently Ekko's Q does more damage than pre-augment Viktor's E if he gets both parts, which he should on the wave; considering his base stats I don't think his mana pool will allow him to spam it though).
If that was the case Viktor could shit on Katarina or Kassadin, and he doesn't. Starting flask is generally enough to stay comfortable against him, unless you really trade and eat Es a lot.
So it's possible that Viktor beats Ekko, but from what I've read (and not seen) so far, the latter has the tools to bully Viktor after a few levels on paper.
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On May 16 2015 07:12 Jek wrote:
Wouldn't Viktor just Q-auto harass Ekko all day long?
No, because then he will get allined and wrecked. He could only Q harass if Ekko wastes a CD.
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Oh, yeah, Viktor's laser isn't that likely to hit at max range (remember contrary to stuff like Gragas' or Lux' E, Xerath's Q, etc. it's actually very narrow, so easier to dodge at max range).
About Zed, if you try to E the wave you'll start the laser at the foot of the first minion to hit all/most of them, so that's why if Zed stands around that point he'll only be at about 600-650 range from you. Ekko gets a 425 range dash, then a 600 range autoattack (so around 700 in terms of spell range iirc?), meaning he has the tools to dodge E then get on top of you, normally.
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On May 16 2015 07:28 Alaric wrote:
Oh, yeah, Viktor's laser isn't that likely to hit at max range (remember contrary to stuff like Gragas' or Lux' E, Xerath's Q, etc. it's actually very narrow, so easier to dodge at max range).
About Zed, if you try to E the wave you'll start the laser at the foot of the first minion to hit all/most of them, so that's why if Zed stands around that point he'll only be at about 600-650 range from you. Ekko gets a 425 range dash, then a 600 range autoattack (so around 700 in terms of spell range iirc?), meaning he has the tools to dodge E then get on top of you, normally.
Ekko dash is 325, the auto is ~525 spell range, so a 850 total spell range moveblock.
when I did spam Viktor I did a lot of laser at almost max range, I don't like him after the rework. I'm not arguing that the lane is unwinnable for Ekko, but I think it would be a pretty even MU, probably with Viktor outscaling and being far more reliable. Ekko could just be OP as shit on release. I know I'm buying him.
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http://www.surrenderat20.net/2015/05/515-pbe-update.html?m=1#more
Wow. These changes are amazing. Karma is going to be a pretty decent champion now. None of that lane bully until 6 then completely useless shit in the bot lane. At level 13, when she has 5 points in her E, she can pretty much instantly cast her shield twice if she lands her Q and W giving a 610hp shield to a single target instantly. Add in 40% cdr she can give 810hp in shields within 1.2 seconds. If she combos r-e-q-e-w she can get another q off instantly for a 1010hp shield within 2 seconds. Provided she's landing her Q. The mana/cd buff on her E might seem small, but it's actually a really big deal if she decides she wants to max E and lane defensively.
That Censer buff is pretty insane. 30 on-hit magic damage in exchange for -10%AS? That's a huge buff for everyone except for maybe the cheesy Ardent Censer Nidalee/Jinx lane.
Then the biggest change: buffing the everloving shit out of coin. I predict coin will completely overtake spell thief's and minimize relic shield a bit.
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On May 16 2015 07:17 sob3k wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2015 06:58 Alaric wrote:
About Viktor:
you don't jump on him. You use the threat or your mobility against him: if Viktor walks up, you can harass him, and if he tries to harass you with E, you can dodge it with you mobility and force a trade on him. Losing his main damage tool (and considering you can also force his 17s cooldown W then walk out) means he automatically loses the trade, along with all kill threat on you even if he all-ins.
Ekko's E has 425 range total with the blink, Viktor's E has 1050...and a lower CD until Ekko hits level 4 E. If Viktor lets you blink on him off of a failed e then he fucked up. Both LB and zed have over 1050 engage range. LB has 1200 while landing the ultDistortion, Zed has 1175.
Actually the dash is 325 + 300 bonus range on his auto = 625.
Edit: 750 if you factor in that melee range is 125.
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On May 16 2015 06:58 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2015 05:57 Mensol wrote:
fun fact: ive never beat Darius in lane.
fuck that champ. im getting dumpstered whenever i play against Darius. Yesterday you told me "nothing beats Vlad". Unstoppable force vs inmovable object go! ... or you just lied to me. D: But yeah you don't need to beat Darius in lane, you can usually outscale him, although his ult is dangerous for tanks (I still believe unless your team has high burst+initiation you're better off going tank and using your first dunk to topple their frontline before they do the same to yours, then focus the remaining enemies one by one) with Cinderhulk and the main frontliner coming from the jungle, people tend to rely more on HP than resists atm, so he's not even as dangerous as he used to.
I usually have success as Darius in the Darius versus Vladimir lane but I could honestly see it going either way.
Totally right about people relying on HP instead of resists though. People who stack a lot of HP (and armor) are very difficult to kill because Darius ult will only do ~880 damage, which is roughly 20% of your average tank's HP.
Conversely though, if you somehow manage to get your hands on an ADC or midlaner, you can ult them when they have about 40-45% hp and kill them, assuming of course that they have 5 stacks.
I'm also assuming that Darius has Hydra as his damage item.
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On May 16 2015 07:52 Sonnington wrote:http://www.surrenderat20.net/2015/05/515-pbe-update.html?m=1#moreWow. These changes are amazing. Karma is going to be a pretty decent champion now. None of that lane bully until 6 then completely useless shit in the bot lane. At level 13, when she has 5 points in her E, she can pretty much instantly cast her shield twice if she lands her Q and W giving a 610hp shield to a single target instantly. Add in 40% cdr she can give 810hp in shields within 1.2 seconds. If she combos r-e-q-e-w she can get another q off instantly for a 1010hp shield within 2 seconds. Provided she's landing her Q. The mana/cd buff on her E might seem small, but it's actually a really big deal if she decides she wants to max E and lane defensively. That Censer buff is pretty insane. 30 on-hit magic damage in exchange for -10%AS? That's a huge buff for everyone except for maybe the cheesy Ardent Censer Nidalee/Jinx lane. Then the biggest change: buffing the everloving shit out of coin. I predict coin will completely overtake spell thief's and minimize relic shield a bit.
Huh. I actually had the opposite reaction. I don't like that they're taking a ton of damage away from Karma
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Also I guess Nightmare Tryndamere rules out the possibility of Pyramid Head Tryndamere.
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lmao what a joke article, faker is still by a pretty large margin the best midlaner in the world.
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On May 16 2015 09:31 wei2coolman wrote:lmao what a joke article, faker is still by a pretty large margin the best midlaner in the world.
this reminds me of the wwe articles the release where they pretend that it's actually not all scripted. obviously this is more of a pr thing and trying to shape the message. You can't take that much off of one tournament over a few days.
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On May 16 2015 09:31 wei2coolman wrote:lmao what a joke article, faker is still by a pretty large margin the best midlaner in the world.
 stop trolling wei.
ive read Inven comments on other day, Koreans also say that PawN is the best mid in the world.
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lol but pawn was playing with good team meanwhile fake is in elo hell both bot and top fed and were useless
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It's ok, Wei2's just delusional like that.
He was also like the last person to jump off the DL bandwagon, long after Korea had actually surpassed him--despite saying shit like this:
On May 15 2015 10:00 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +Tl;dr I taught Doublelift how to lane; could not teach him how to play the game
RIP CHAUSTER. U TRIED.
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Yea when you pick a champion that is supposed to counter your opponent's and you lose lane and your entire teamcomp is designed to counter his champ while his team is feeding you are gonna look good.w0w
The only thing that was confirmed from this tournament is kkoma has officially lost his mind.
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plz, pawn lost in cs vs ezhoon every fucking game.
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oh yeah i forgot that LoL was all about laning.
Faker also lost in cs vs Febiven in four games, i guess that makes Febiven better than Faker 
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