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On March 22 2015 10:04 Slusher wrote:
He only has room for one utility item because he needs two mana items and rylai >
(Kog)
His ult no longer getting bonus damage to champions really hurt
I wouldn't get rylai on ap kog personally. It is more valuable to have higher damage since you are trying to hit their backline.
I shouldn't be arguing it since I haven't played ap kog in a long time, so no basis for it really. But after tear + athenes ludens makes the most sense to me.
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On March 22 2015 10:03 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 09:58 Jek wrote:On March 22 2015 09:49 Gahlo wrote:On March 22 2015 09:44 Jek wrote:On March 22 2015 09:22 Gahlo wrote:On March 22 2015 09:20 Slayer91 wrote:
why it does tons of damage wtf
movement speed super underrated stat too I don't remember a game where movespeed isn't one of the better stats. League of Legends maybe? For tanks tank stats are better. For damage dealers damage enhancers are better. For supports utility is better. Movespeed is a luxury stat, that's conviently tied to some of the stronger items like PD/Shiv, Triforce and Lichbane. Yes some champions can really abuse movespeed early, like TP/Ignite Hecarim bullying melee champions the fuck out of his lane, but as the game progress everyone value their primary stats far far far higher than movespeed. For a good reason we dont see a lot of Swifties being bought, the other stats are simply just better. Remind me, what do these boot thingies do? Who would win the fight, the guy with boots against the guy with actual combat stats? Would you rather have T2 boots and a longsword or a BF on first back? Talisman before Sightstone? Swifties over Mercs/Tabis on your tank? Aether Wisp instead of Codex or Blasting Wand? There's a reason movespeed quints aren't mandatory. And yet everybody still spends an entire itemslot on boots, primarily for the movement speed. If movement speed wasn't one of the better stats in the game, nobody would bother.
Yet nobody go for Swifties or rush tier 2 boots (or Alacrity for that matter), outside of fringe cases where's it's the secondary effect of a tier 2 you want.
Yes movespeed is good. But one of the better stats? No.
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On March 22 2015 10:11 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 10:04 Slusher wrote:
He only has room for one utility item because he needs two mana items and rylai >
(Kog)
His ult no longer getting bonus damage to champions really hurt Imo rylais not necessary, just be accurate. Tears is good on kog, but I tried skipping it and it worked out fine. Roa+morello while being diligent and not stacking mana costs on his ult until teamfights is good enough imo. Should be able to clear with 1 E and 2 R's
i think that kog is the one case where rylai + liandry is core because his ratios are shit and once you get liandries you 3 hit squishies
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On March 22 2015 10:19 Jek wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 10:03 Gahlo wrote:On March 22 2015 09:58 Jek wrote:On March 22 2015 09:49 Gahlo wrote:On March 22 2015 09:44 Jek wrote:On March 22 2015 09:22 Gahlo wrote:On March 22 2015 09:20 Slayer91 wrote:
why it does tons of damage wtf
movement speed super underrated stat too I don't remember a game where movespeed isn't one of the better stats. League of Legends maybe? For tanks tank stats are better. For damage dealers damage enhancers are better. For supports utility is better. Movespeed is a luxury stat, that's conviently tied to some of the stronger items like PD/Shiv, Triforce and Lichbane. Yes some champions can really abuse movespeed early, like TP/Ignite Hecarim bullying melee champions the fuck out of his lane, but as the game progress everyone value their primary stats far far far higher than movespeed. For a good reason we dont see a lot of Swifties being bought, the other stats are simply just better. Remind me, what do these boot thingies do? Who would win the fight, the guy with boots against the guy with actual combat stats? Would you rather have T2 boots and a longsword or a BF on first back? Talisman before Sightstone? Swifties over Mercs/Tabis on your tank? Aether Wisp instead of Codex or Blasting Wand? There's a reason movespeed quints aren't mandatory. And yet everybody still spends an entire itemslot on boots, primarily for the movement speed. If movement speed wasn't one of the better stats in the game, nobody would bother. Yet nobody go for Swifties or rush tier 2 boots (or Alacrity for that matter), outside of fringe cases where's it's the secondary effect of a tier 2 you want. Yes movespeed is good. But one of the better stats? No.
Three words.
Boots of Mobility
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On March 22 2015 10:26 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 10:19 Jek wrote:On March 22 2015 10:03 Gahlo wrote:On March 22 2015 09:58 Jek wrote:On March 22 2015 09:49 Gahlo wrote:On March 22 2015 09:44 Jek wrote:On March 22 2015 09:22 Gahlo wrote:On March 22 2015 09:20 Slayer91 wrote:
why it does tons of damage wtf
movement speed super underrated stat too I don't remember a game where movespeed isn't one of the better stats. League of Legends maybe? For tanks tank stats are better. For damage dealers damage enhancers are better. For supports utility is better. Movespeed is a luxury stat, that's conviently tied to some of the stronger items like PD/Shiv, Triforce and Lichbane. Yes some champions can really abuse movespeed early, like TP/Ignite Hecarim bullying melee champions the fuck out of his lane, but as the game progress everyone value their primary stats far far far higher than movespeed. For a good reason we dont see a lot of Swifties being bought, the other stats are simply just better. Remind me, what do these boot thingies do? Who would win the fight, the guy with boots against the guy with actual combat stats? Would you rather have T2 boots and a longsword or a BF on first back? Talisman before Sightstone? Swifties over Mercs/Tabis on your tank? Aether Wisp instead of Codex or Blasting Wand? There's a reason movespeed quints aren't mandatory. And yet everybody still spends an entire itemslot on boots, primarily for the movement speed. If movement speed wasn't one of the better stats in the game, nobody would bother. Yet nobody go for Swifties or rush tier 2 boots (or Alacrity for that matter), outside of fringe cases where's it's the secondary effect of a tier 2 you want. Yes movespeed is good. But one of the better stats? No. Three words. Boots of Mobility
You mean the boots pretty much only support buys?
Two words.
Swifties suck.
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Funny that we're talking about boots, because I was going to ask about Swifties as an alternative to Boots of Mobility for junglers.
That being said, I think I know what you guys are going to say haha!
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On March 22 2015 10:29 Jek wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 10:26 Gahlo wrote:On March 22 2015 10:19 Jek wrote:On March 22 2015 10:03 Gahlo wrote:On March 22 2015 09:58 Jek wrote:On March 22 2015 09:49 Gahlo wrote:On March 22 2015 09:44 Jek wrote:On March 22 2015 09:22 Gahlo wrote:On March 22 2015 09:20 Slayer91 wrote:
why it does tons of damage wtf
movement speed super underrated stat too I don't remember a game where movespeed isn't one of the better stats. League of Legends maybe? For tanks tank stats are better. For damage dealers damage enhancers are better. For supports utility is better. Movespeed is a luxury stat, that's conviently tied to some of the stronger items like PD/Shiv, Triforce and Lichbane. Yes some champions can really abuse movespeed early, like TP/Ignite Hecarim bullying melee champions the fuck out of his lane, but as the game progress everyone value their primary stats far far far higher than movespeed. For a good reason we dont see a lot of Swifties being bought, the other stats are simply just better. Remind me, what do these boot thingies do? Who would win the fight, the guy with boots against the guy with actual combat stats? Would you rather have T2 boots and a longsword or a BF on first back? Talisman before Sightstone? Swifties over Mercs/Tabis on your tank? Aether Wisp instead of Codex or Blasting Wand? There's a reason movespeed quints aren't mandatory. And yet everybody still spends an entire itemslot on boots, primarily for the movement speed. If movement speed wasn't one of the better stats in the game, nobody would bother. Yet nobody go for Swifties or rush tier 2 boots (or Alacrity for that matter), outside of fringe cases where's it's the secondary effect of a tier 2 you want. Yes movespeed is good. But one of the better stats? No. Three words. Boots of Mobility You mean the boots pretty much only support buys? Two words. Swifties suck.
Congrats, you found the weak link of a 7 item set that is pretty much mandatory for every champion in the game every game.
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On March 22 2015 10:29 Jek wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 10:26 Gahlo wrote:On March 22 2015 10:19 Jek wrote:On March 22 2015 10:03 Gahlo wrote:On March 22 2015 09:58 Jek wrote:On March 22 2015 09:49 Gahlo wrote:On March 22 2015 09:44 Jek wrote:On March 22 2015 09:22 Gahlo wrote:On March 22 2015 09:20 Slayer91 wrote:
why it does tons of damage wtf
movement speed super underrated stat too I don't remember a game where movespeed isn't one of the better stats. League of Legends maybe? For tanks tank stats are better. For damage dealers damage enhancers are better. For supports utility is better. Movespeed is a luxury stat, that's conviently tied to some of the stronger items like PD/Shiv, Triforce and Lichbane. Yes some champions can really abuse movespeed early, like TP/Ignite Hecarim bullying melee champions the fuck out of his lane, but as the game progress everyone value their primary stats far far far higher than movespeed. For a good reason we dont see a lot of Swifties being bought, the other stats are simply just better. Remind me, what do these boot thingies do? Who would win the fight, the guy with boots against the guy with actual combat stats? Would you rather have T2 boots and a longsword or a BF on first back? Talisman before Sightstone? Swifties over Mercs/Tabis on your tank? Aether Wisp instead of Codex or Blasting Wand? There's a reason movespeed quints aren't mandatory. And yet everybody still spends an entire itemslot on boots, primarily for the movement speed. If movement speed wasn't one of the better stats in the game, nobody would bother. Yet nobody go for Swifties or rush tier 2 boots (or Alacrity for that matter), outside of fringe cases where's it's the secondary effect of a tier 2 you want. Yes movespeed is good. But one of the better stats? No. Three words. Boots of Mobility You mean the boots pretty much only support buys? Two words. Swifties suck.
swifties are great if you have another source of tenacity and are playing against teams with lots of kite. i'd say that they are amazing on udyr.
mobis are pretty amazing on most mid laners atm
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On March 22 2015 10:25 Frolossus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 10:11 wei2coolman wrote:On March 22 2015 10:04 Slusher wrote:
He only has room for one utility item because he needs two mana items and rylai >
(Kog)
His ult no longer getting bonus damage to champions really hurt Imo rylais not necessary, just be accurate. Tears is good on kog, but I tried skipping it and it worked out fine. Roa+morello while being diligent and not stacking mana costs on his ult until teamfights is good enough imo. Should be able to clear with 1 E and 2 R's i think that kog is the one case where rylai + liandry is core because his ratios are shit and once you get liandries you 3 hit squishies
His ratios are good wtf. Especially if you've got godlike positioning.
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On March 22 2015 10:41 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 10:25 Frolossus wrote:On March 22 2015 10:11 wei2coolman wrote:On March 22 2015 10:04 Slusher wrote:
He only has room for one utility item because he needs two mana items and rylai >
(Kog)
His ult no longer getting bonus damage to champions really hurt Imo rylais not necessary, just be accurate. Tears is good on kog, but I tried skipping it and it worked out fine. Roa+morello while being diligent and not stacking mana costs on his ult until teamfights is good enough imo. Should be able to clear with 1 E and 2 R's i think that kog is the one case where rylai + liandry is core because his ratios are shit and once you get liandries you 3 hit squishies His ratios are good wtf. Especially if you've got godlike positioning.
only his E has a decent ratio
R which is your primary killing tool is an amazing .3
therefore you benefit more from pen and liandry burn vs squishies than a deathcap or whatever
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Idk I think a stat that literally 100% of champions buy everygame is pretty good.
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On March 22 2015 10:32 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 10:29 Jek wrote:On March 22 2015 10:26 Gahlo wrote:On March 22 2015 10:19 Jek wrote:On March 22 2015 10:03 Gahlo wrote:On March 22 2015 09:58 Jek wrote:On March 22 2015 09:49 Gahlo wrote:On March 22 2015 09:44 Jek wrote:On March 22 2015 09:22 Gahlo wrote:On March 22 2015 09:20 Slayer91 wrote:
why it does tons of damage wtf
movement speed super underrated stat too I don't remember a game where movespeed isn't one of the better stats. League of Legends maybe? For tanks tank stats are better. For damage dealers damage enhancers are better. For supports utility is better. Movespeed is a luxury stat, that's conviently tied to some of the stronger items like PD/Shiv, Triforce and Lichbane. Yes some champions can really abuse movespeed early, like TP/Ignite Hecarim bullying melee champions the fuck out of his lane, but as the game progress everyone value their primary stats far far far higher than movespeed. For a good reason we dont see a lot of Swifties being bought, the other stats are simply just better. Remind me, what do these boot thingies do? Who would win the fight, the guy with boots against the guy with actual combat stats? Would you rather have T2 boots and a longsword or a BF on first back? Talisman before Sightstone? Swifties over Mercs/Tabis on your tank? Aether Wisp instead of Codex or Blasting Wand? There's a reason movespeed quints aren't mandatory. And yet everybody still spends an entire itemslot on boots, primarily for the movement speed. If movement speed wasn't one of the better stats in the game, nobody would bother. Yet nobody go for Swifties or rush tier 2 boots (or Alacrity for that matter), outside of fringe cases where's it's the secondary effect of a tier 2 you want. Yes movespeed is good. But one of the better stats? No. Three words. Boots of Mobility You mean the boots pretty much only support buys? Two words. Swifties suck. Congrats, you found the weak link of a 7 item set that is pretty much mandatory for every champion in the game every game.
And why is it the weak link? Could it be the other stats are better and more important than............. Movespeed?
If movespeed was one of the better stats everyone would use Movespeed Quints for Pete's sake. It's a good stat true, but all roles have stats that are strictly more important; if all roles have strictly more important stats it's simply not one of the better stats.
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On March 22 2015 10:35 Frolossus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 10:29 Jek wrote:On March 22 2015 10:26 Gahlo wrote:On March 22 2015 10:19 Jek wrote:On March 22 2015 10:03 Gahlo wrote:On March 22 2015 09:58 Jek wrote:On March 22 2015 09:49 Gahlo wrote:On March 22 2015 09:44 Jek wrote:On March 22 2015 09:22 Gahlo wrote:On March 22 2015 09:20 Slayer91 wrote:
why it does tons of damage wtf
movement speed super underrated stat too I don't remember a game where movespeed isn't one of the better stats. League of Legends maybe? For tanks tank stats are better. For damage dealers damage enhancers are better. For supports utility is better. Movespeed is a luxury stat, that's conviently tied to some of the stronger items like PD/Shiv, Triforce and Lichbane. Yes some champions can really abuse movespeed early, like TP/Ignite Hecarim bullying melee champions the fuck out of his lane, but as the game progress everyone value their primary stats far far far higher than movespeed. For a good reason we dont see a lot of Swifties being bought, the other stats are simply just better. Remind me, what do these boot thingies do? Who would win the fight, the guy with boots against the guy with actual combat stats? Would you rather have T2 boots and a longsword or a BF on first back? Talisman before Sightstone? Swifties over Mercs/Tabis on your tank? Aether Wisp instead of Codex or Blasting Wand? There's a reason movespeed quints aren't mandatory. And yet everybody still spends an entire itemslot on boots, primarily for the movement speed. If movement speed wasn't one of the better stats in the game, nobody would bother. Yet nobody go for Swifties or rush tier 2 boots (or Alacrity for that matter), outside of fringe cases where's it's the secondary effect of a tier 2 you want. Yes movespeed is good. But one of the better stats? No. Three words. Boots of Mobility You mean the boots pretty much only support buys? Two words. Swifties suck. swifties are great if you have another source of tenacity and are playing against teams with lots of kite. i'd say that they are amazing on udyr. mobis are pretty amazing on most mid laners atm
they are shit on udyr usually unless their have slows and not hard cc mercs are normally the better option or if they are mostly guys without cc usually tabi works out better
i very often get alacrity though
the reason movement quints arent used is that movement is primarily better in mid/lategame and runes are used for early game
clearing faster in jungle or fighting better in lane beats moving faster but in teamfights its a different story
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On March 22 2015 10:43 Frolossus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 10:41 wei2coolman wrote:On March 22 2015 10:25 Frolossus wrote:On March 22 2015 10:11 wei2coolman wrote:On March 22 2015 10:04 Slusher wrote:
He only has room for one utility item because he needs two mana items and rylai >
(Kog)
His ult no longer getting bonus damage to champions really hurt Imo rylais not necessary, just be accurate. Tears is good on kog, but I tried skipping it and it worked out fine. Roa+morello while being diligent and not stacking mana costs on his ult until teamfights is good enough imo. Should be able to clear with 1 E and 2 R's i think that kog is the one case where rylai + liandry is core because his ratios are shit and once you get liandries you 3 hit squishies His ratios are good wtf. Especially if you've got godlike positioning. only his E has a decent ratio R which is your primary killing tool is an amazing .3 therefore you benefit more from pen and liandry burn vs squishies than a deathcap or whatever
Liandry burn on squishies is pretty negligible, they don't have much health and if you do hit them they have even less.
His ratios are not great but they are quite spammable, so its not too bad. I always go lichbane last, it takes a ton of skill to use it correctly, but its potential damage is absurd with his super long range and spam, and turns W into another nuke.
Its really too bad they kept nerfing him, I mean I understand why because the range is pretty abusive, but he is one of the highest skillcap champions in the game when AP.
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Okay so, this is a serious question.
For people in Diamond on NA.
Are you guys losing more LP for losses than you feel like you should be?
I realize that blah blah MMR blah blah but as far as I know it is happening to a lot of people, and I feel like there is actually some sort of bugado.
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On March 22 2015 12:43 Ketara wrote:
Okay so, this is a serious question.
For people in Diamond on NA.
Are you guys losing more LP for losses than you feel like you should be?
I realize that blah blah MMR blah blah but as far as I know it is happening to a lot of people, and I feel like there is actually some sort of bugado.
It tends to happen at 5th division of all league. Because there's a softwall before you drop leagues, so usually shitty players who don't actually have MMR that match with the 5th division of each league, tend to get matched up with people in the league below them. So low D5 matches up with rising Plat 1&2 guys. Therefore in these matches, Plat 1 & 2 guys will be winning around 25~30lp a match, while D5 guys would only be making like 10~15lp a match, meanwhile plat 1&2 would be losing around 10~15lp a match, and d5 guys losing 25-30lp a match.
It's essentially's the league systems way of saying "hey, you don't fucking belong in division 5 of this league, drop already".
So it's essentially "working as intended"
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Thanks Wei for the blah blah MMR blah blah answer.
I am talking about something else entirely.
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On March 22 2015 13:00 Ketara wrote:
Thanks Wei for the blah blah MMR blah blah answer.
I am talking about something else entirely.
What the fuck are you talking about then? Cuz exactly what you're feeling, is exactly what's happening, and it's working as intended...
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So back to the question to people who are actually in diamond on NA and aren't wei2coolman, is this happening to you as well?
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I just got reported for Offensive Language for saying nothing all game except for "gg ez" when we won. Like, I know it's dickish but this is still a video game, not fucking preschool lol
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