EPT[Patch 5.5] Bard General Discussion - Page 38
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
Low ratios, high base damage. Spammy as hell poke, but doesn't need much mana regen. not great waveclear especially early immobile, so MS is more valuable | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
Also, Righteous Glory Ryze will be hilarious. | ||
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
On March 22 2015 05:54 sob3k wrote: I think Velkoz might be one of the best champions for Ludens Echo. Low ratios, high base damage. Spammy as hell poke, but doesn't need much mana regen. not great waveclear especially early immobile, so MS is more valuable Would you skip Morello for Ludens? By the time you can buy a Ludens his wave clear would already be fine with just a Morello, which has a much cleaner buildpath -- you still need the bit of mana regen and CDR is really really good on him. As a second item Guise to abuse his strong base damage (and eventual Liandries vs the Cinderhulk meta) seems like a much faster timing and as a third item Deathcap or Voidstaff would probably both be a significantly higher damage boost. It is pretty cool his QWEWR rotation right away give another proc tho. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
On March 22 2015 08:54 Slusher wrote: Morello was always more convenient more than needed on vel'koz This. Velkoz is most of the time essentially a manaless champion. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
movement speed super underrated stat too | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On March 22 2015 09:20 Slayer91 wrote: why it does tons of damage wtf movement speed super underrated stat too I don't remember a game where movespeed isn't one of the better stats. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
On March 22 2015 09:22 Gahlo wrote: I don't remember a game where movespeed isn't one of the better stats. League of Legends maybe? For tanks tank stats are better. For damage dealers damage enhancers are better. For supports utility is better. Movespeed is a luxury stat, that's conviently tied to some of the stronger items like PD/Shiv, Triforce and Lichbane. Yes some champions can really abuse movespeed early, like TP/Ignite Hecarim bullying melee champions the fuck out of his lane, but as the game progress everyone value their primary stats far far far higher than movespeed. For a good reason we dont see a lot of Swifties being bought, the other stats are simply just better. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On March 22 2015 09:44 Jek wrote: League of Legends maybe? For tanks tank stats are better. For damage dealers damage enhancers are better. For supports utility is better. Movespeed is a luxury stat, that's conviently tied to some of the stronger items like PD/Shiv, Triforce and Lichbane. Yes some champions can really abuse movespeed early, like TP/Ignite Hecarim bullying melee champions the fuck out of his lane, but as the game progress everyone value their primary stats far far far higher than movespeed. For a good reason we dont see a lot of Swifties being bought, the other stats are simply just better. Remind me, what do these boot thingies do? | ||
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
Who would win the fight, the guy with boots against the guy with actual combat stats? Would you rather have T2 boots and a longsword or a BF on first back? Talisman before Sightstone? Swifties over Mercs/Tabis on your tank? Aether Wisp instead of Codex or Blasting Wand? There's a reason movespeed quints aren't mandatory. | ||
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brokenwatch
Azerbaijan99 Posts
they unclench ur anus. | ||
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petered
United States1817 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 22 2015 10:00 petered wrote: AP kog isn't a thing anymore but if anyone still does it, then I would build ludens on him. adds some aoe to his super long range poke. Too much mana requirement before you can hit any ludens timing. | ||
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Mikau
Netherlands1446 Posts
On March 22 2015 09:58 Jek wrote: Who would win the fight, the guy with boots against the guy with actual combat stats? Would you rather have T2 boots and a longsword or a BF on first back? Talisman before Sightstone? Swifties over Mercs/Tabis on your tank? Aether Wisp instead of Codex or Blasting Wand? There's a reason movespeed quints aren't mandatory. He's right though. If what you're saying were true nobody would buy boots ever, because you're better off getting combat stats. Why then do people always get boots before or around their first item timings if movement speed is so "luxury stat tied to some of the stronger items"? | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On March 22 2015 09:58 Jek wrote: Who would win the fight, the guy with boots against the guy with actual combat stats? Would you rather have T2 boots and a longsword or a BF on first back? Talisman before Sightstone? Swifties over Mercs/Tabis on your tank? Aether Wisp instead of Codex or Blasting Wand? There's a reason movespeed quints aren't mandatory. And yet everybody still spends an entire itemslot on boots, primarily for the movement speed. If movement speed wasn't one of the better stats in the game, nobody would bother. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
(Kog) His ult no longer getting bonus damage to champions really hurt | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 22 2015 10:04 Slusher wrote: He only has room for one utility item because he needs two mana items and rylai > (Kog) His ult no longer getting bonus damage to champions really hurt Imo rylais not necessary, just be accurate. Tears is good on kog, but I tried skipping it and it worked out fine. Roa+morello while being diligent and not stacking mana costs on his ult until teamfights is good enough imo. Should be able to clear with 1 E and 2 R's | ||
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