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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On November 03 2015 09:17 Fusilero wrote: http://www.dailydot.com/esports/hauntzer-team-solomid/ Report that hauntzer is the front runner for TSM's top lane though Zionspartan is still an option T_T it begins | ||
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Cyraknoss
United States26 Posts
On November 03 2015 09:21 bbc23 wrote: I'd be happy with Hauntzer. I don't think Gravity's team structure really helped highlight his abilities and think he'll be one of the better tops in NA while not demanding a lot of resources. The only "concern" I have is that we didn't get to see him in the carry top meta at all really just to see how he adapted and what champs he picked up. Are imports really increasing that much in EU? There were 3 I believe last season (H2K, FNC) and Dart who never really was a part of Roccat despite being their sub. I'd say they are perfectly safe taking NA residency. Yes imports are increasing in EU, it's slow because it's the start of things much like the start of importing in EU was slow with just Bjerg and Edward but exploded as more imports were more successful. In EU this season (not split) there were 4 import players (not including Dart who never played) up from 0. I do expect that number to rise in the future, though at a slower pace than NA thanks to a larger EU talent pool but I still expect it to rise. It will rise because EU suffers the same 2 major problems that NA suffers, and an enlarged talent pool can only do so much to cover for those problems as evidenced by CN who shouldn't need imports if talent pool was all that mattered. The 2 major issues being a complete lack of quality talent scouting, and the absence of any training of players before tossing them into LCS proper. Korea has farm squads solving both of those problems and 3rd stringers like Huni will continue to look to other regions in order to get a starting position. That said I don't actually think the problem matters much either way for Dexter who hasn't been a hot commodity in either LCS region since part way through his tenure on CLG. | ||
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Skitter
United States899 Posts
You'll still have Keane/Move I'm sure. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
wouldn't be surprised if GV sells slot/has an almost entirely new team and that's a heck of a consolation prize, the 3 best players leaving lol Never really a fan of organizations as a whole as an esports fan, was a GV fan primarily because of their #potential (don't like rooting for teams on top all the time like TSM, feels a bit like becoming a Patriots/Lakers/Yankees fan) and because of their playstyle, they showed decent shotcalling/rotation through the early part of the split until they collapsed instead of being like most NA teams and just waiting for mistakes to happen. Depending on what happens to GV/since every team is seeing major shakeups honestly don't know who I'd root for in NALCS next split, will probably wait a few weeks to see how each team actually plays before declaring an allegiance. Maybe facing the dark future of becoming a Coast (read; Shrimp) fan next split lol but really TSM, just get Zionspartan so I can continue to root against you | ||
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Mensol
14536 Posts
On November 03 2015 09:24 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Very happy for Hauntzer. Well-deserved and he's perfect in properly working with Bjergsen/Doublelift duo carry threat. In theory this team has everything to be competitive internationally with Adrian/Korean jungle import. Inb4 DanDy/Mata, everything goes down in flames by Week 5~ of LCS Spring. Yea, I don't think dexter proclaiming himself as NA changes anything. He just becomes a valuable bandaid option for NA teams in case they want to import more and more and EU is fine without going over line anyway. TSM not going to become internationally competitive team unless they get Hai or BunnyFuuFu. I have seen lots of awful calls in NA LCS and I just dont buy any shotcaller that not named Hai/BunnyFuuFu. Adrian just doesnt strike me as a guy who can become leader of players like Bjergsen&DL. He will surely get dominated by Bjerg after a while. Reginald should go for Piccaboo if he cant take these two. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On November 03 2015 09:44 Mensol wrote: TSM not going to become internationally competitive team unless they get Hai or BunnyFuuFu. I have seen lots of awful calls in NA LCS and I just dont buy any shotcaller that not named Hai/BunnyFuuFu. Adrian just doesnt strike me as a guy who can become leader of players like Bjergsen&DL. He will surely get dominated by Bjerg after a while. Reginald should go for Piccaboo if he cant take these two. import shotcalling jungler lol but yeah, getting top individual talent but no shotcalling isn't smart, shotcalling is like 75% of the game and winning the mechanics battle doesn't matter if you don't know what to do/when to pick your fights | ||
Harem
United States11393 Posts
On November 03 2015 06:58 Kyo Yuy wrote: Yeah ditto. Hai isn't really the type of person to talk negatively about members of his own team. Sorry, it was one of the times he streamed recently. don't remember exactly when. (someone asked about Meteos coming back or something) Hai wasnt talking negatively about meteos, he just meant that they both have different ideas on how the game should be played. | ||
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Mensol
14536 Posts
On November 03 2015 09:47 DystopiaX wrote: import shotcalling jungler lol but yeah, getting top individual talent but no shotcalling isn't smart, shotcalling is like 75% of the game and winning the mechanics battle doesn't matter if you don't know what to do/when to pick your fights + Show Spoiler + easily best game of last seasons NA LCS in both shotcalling and strategy wise. Bunny is just so freaking good and i want to see him on international stage. Thats why i want TSM to sign him. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On November 03 2015 09:57 Mensol wrote: + Show Spoiler + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgxgEe-lLjc easily best game of last seasons NA LCS in both shotcalling and strategy wise. Bunny is just so freaking good and i want to see him on international stage. Thats why i want TSM to sign him. In my ideal world GV replace Move with another import jungler (either one that doesn't choke if you believe his late season collapse was a choke, or a good one if you believe he was bad all along) and maybe Keane (since they have one import slot left anyway. Like if Hauntzer/Altec/fufu are good enough that top teams like TSM/CLG/C9 want them, it would be cool if they stayed on the same roster, replaced their weaknesses in other positions, maybe recruited a good support staff that will teach them how to not give up after a loss or two (see: Move jungle rengar game into like 10 kill deficit at 6 minutes collapse) and become a top team organically. like the thing that pains me about GV potentially splitting up is that it seems like they have the hard part (shotcalling) figured out. So many other western teams have the individual talent/support staff but not the shotcalling/decision making, with GV they have the shotcalling and strategy down but their talent lets them down. It's kinda disappointing that they have the problems that are easiest to fix but instead of being able to fix them they're doing to break up the whole thing instead. But in reality ownership probably doesn't have enough money to spend like that and my dreams are crushed  the downside to having like a 21 y/o fratboy owner | ||
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EsanLOL
479 Posts
 Gravity and TiP gonna be in a lot of trouble at this rate though if they keep losing their best players. At least Keane counts as NA, so maybe they could import a top/jungle and then try to get an NA soloqueue bot lane like the Cloud Cats (Biofrost and Moonway). | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On November 03 2015 10:16 EsanLOL wrote: And you all laughed when I said Dyrus doesn't do anything that Hauntzer couldn't do earlier this split Gravity and TiP gonna be in a lot of trouble at this rate though if they keep losing their best players. At least Keane counts as NA, so maybe they could import a top/jungle and then try to get an NA soloqueue bot lane like the Cloud Cats (Biofrost and Moonway). tip is selling their spot, no? | ||
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EsanLOL
479 Posts
Well, whoever buys their spot is gonna be screwed. They are gonna be so late to free agency and unless they offer huge salaries, all the good NA talent will be taken. Maybe they get lucky and find some criminally overlooked talent. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On November 03 2015 10:21 EsanLOL wrote: Well, whoever buys their spot is gonna be screwed. well yeah, but the bottom 75% of NA is always screwed | ||
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bbc23
United States416 Posts
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Mensol
14536 Posts
On November 03 2015 10:01 DystopiaX wrote: In my ideal world GV replace Move with another import jungler (either one that doesn't choke if you believe his late season collapse was a choke, or a good one if you believe he was bad all along) and maybe Keane (since they have one import slot left anyway. Like if Hauntzer/Altec/fufu are good enough that top teams like TSM/CLG/C9 want them, it would be cool if they stayed on the same roster, replaced their weaknesses in other positions, maybe recruited a good support staff that will teach them how to not give up after a loss or two (see: Move jungle rengar game into like 10 kill deficit at 6 minutes collapse) and become a top team organically. like the thing that pains me about GV potentially splitting up is that it seems like they have the hard part (shotcalling) figured out. So many other western teams have the individual talent/support staff but not the shotcalling/decision making, with GV they have the shotcalling and strategy down but their talent lets them down. It's kinda disappointing that they have the problems that are easiest to fix but instead of being able to fix them they're doing to break up the whole thing instead. But in reality ownership probably doesn't have enough money to spend like that and my dreams are crushed the downside to having like a 21 y/o fratboy ownereh i like both Keane and Move. If Hauntzer leaves for TSM, GV can always get Gamsu. He is a very versalite player who can fit into Bunny's team. GV's problem is that they dont have a good supporting staff behind them. If you were to compare their staff with teams like OG/fnatic/TSM/C9, its literally non existent. Keane is a perfect team player in my eyes. He can hold himself against any mid laner in LCS and he has a wide champion pool. You can to tell him "you going to play this champion and do these" and he will do exactly what you say. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
EDIT: random suggestion, but would it be worth making an "off season" thread maybe? | ||
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Saradin
456 Posts
On November 03 2015 10:27 bbc23 wrote: Ya TiP is in the worst position possible and it's incredible it's not getting more coverage. Every single player is leaving the team and because the team has announced its intention to sell, they're not even trying to acquire players. Prospective owners can see this and know that the caliber of players they could get at this point are likely to get relegated so they're not going to sink a million dollars into a team that will lose the majority of its value after a few months in LCS. I really think the Riot rule being discussed about compelling teams to sell their spot is because of this clown fiesta. Watch Mancloud somehow end up on this team though to continue his LCS streak. I think that it's a case of the public has generally already accepted that Impulse is borked and/or don't really care that much, since it's not one of the big teams. And we haven't heard anything since the announcement of going on sale. The only real hope is for someone wealthy to buy the team and treat it as a clean slate, like what Immortals are doing. Basically the main difference between Impulse and Immortals right now is that we know that the Immortals have wealthy backers and are reportedly offering relatively hefty salaries. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On November 03 2015 10:30 Mensol wrote: eh i like both Keane and Move. If Hauntzer leaves for TSM, GV can always get Gamsu. He is a very versalite player who can fit into Bunny's team. GV's problem is that they dont have a good supporting staff behind them. If you were to compare their staff with teams like OG/fnatic/TSM/C9, its literally non existent. Keane is a perfect team player in my eyes. He can hold himself against any mid laner in LCS and he has a wide champion pool. You can to tell him "you going to play this champion and do these" and he will do exactly what you say. if GV only lose Hauntzer than it's alright, if the botlane also get poached like rumors suggest there's basically nothing left to build around lol. Agree about Keane, based on what alot of teammates/former teammates say about him he practices the most and is very dedicated towards being a pro. One of the more/only truly "professional" professionals in the scene. The only thing though is that if you have an import slot open anyway, and you think that hauntzer/altec/bunny are top dometic players at their positions, it would still be a good move to import a Korean or someone who has a higher mechanical/skill ceiling. Also heavily agree with the support staff thing. AFAIK Cop is the only support staff GV have, and he doesn't ever play league anymore. What you say about Keane being able to play anything he's told to is right, but when your coach doesn't play and asks you what is good in the meta right now, and so Keane is basically picking for himself/what the other players want, that's an entire advantage mitigated. In addition, their biggest problem was almost entirely mental, in all the best of series they lost/even at the end of the split when they lost on saturday/game one you'd see them tilt so hard, (again move rengar etc), and that's a thing that having a good support staff can help with. Like I said, it's the downside to having such a talented roster being supported by a guy who got the team cause he's a millionaire's son. I don't fault Samurai for that but it hamstrings a really talented roster. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On November 03 2015 10:35 ticklishmusic wrote: So TSM is more than likely gonna be n1 next split, who else looks like they'll be a contender for, let's say, top 4? EDIT: random suggestion, but would it be worth making an "off season" thread maybe? It's way too early to call anything. Immortals/Coast are rumoured to have sick lineups, plus we still have no idea about meta, etc, etc. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On November 03 2015 11:05 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: It's way too early to call anything. Immortals/Coast are rumoured to have sick lineups, plus we still have no idea about meta, etc, etc. still possible TSM turns into NA Elements or something for Coast to have a sick lineup (for NA at least) all they'd need to do really is replace pekin/mash, and they have one import slot open. | ||
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