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Sonnington
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1107 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-28 06:45:15
January 28 2015 06:36 GMT
#81
On January 28 2015 14:51 Ethelis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2015 14:45 wei2coolman wrote:
On January 28 2015 14:33 Sonnington wrote:
On January 28 2015 12:25 sharky246 wrote:
I just started practicing zed yesterday in preparation for ranked. How big is his nerf, will he still be viable?

It's the smallest love tap they could possibly give him. The nerf is to remove slow down his split push threat. I don't thnk it's a big deal. I think Zed's a terrible champ unless you snowball super hard or you're a challenger.

I don't get how it really removes the split push threat. His Q and E still gunna clear super hard. Unless the AS change hits a breakpoint where he's starting to miss like 2 or 3 autos in a an all in, I don't see it being that big of a nerf.


They wanted to hit his tower killing abilities, i believe. He used to just take a massive dump on them.

He still will. He lost 1% base AS and 1% AS per level. Meaning before the nerf at level 10 and no extra AS, 9 times in 10 seconds. After the nerf, he'll auto 8.5 times in 10 seconds. It's the smallest love tap they could've possibly given him.
droserin
Profile Joined September 2014
127 Posts
January 28 2015 06:47 GMT
#82
Now that gunblade has more ap, is it a better buy on Ahri? I've seen some people get it before because of her w, and it should work better now that it is more of an AP item.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
January 28 2015 07:02 GMT
#83
On January 28 2015 08:54 kongoline wrote:
they should let us buy more than 2 pots at the start if they going to nerf jungle like that otherwise its super hard for anyone who isnt ww/fiddle to actually make required camps for jungle item zzzz

Welp, Elise still does goddamn well with clearing, even after jungle item nerf. You can do full clear without even trying hard, so no big deal ^^
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Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
January 28 2015 07:28 GMT
#84
Even the most pathetic junglers like Rammus should be able to do 4 camp clear skipping wraiths.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Sonnington
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1107 Posts
January 28 2015 07:39 GMT
#85
On January 28 2015 15:47 droserin wrote:
Now that gunblade has more ap, is it a better buy on Ahri? I've seen some people get it before because of her w, and it should work better now that it is more of an AP item.

No. Definitely not on Ahri. I think it'll still be an Akali only item. Good question though. Will there ever be a reason to buy this item on any other champ other than Akali now that it's been buffed?
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-28 08:14:45
January 28 2015 07:43 GMT
#86
On January 28 2015 15:36 Sonnington wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2015 14:51 Ethelis wrote:
On January 28 2015 14:45 wei2coolman wrote:
On January 28 2015 14:33 Sonnington wrote:
On January 28 2015 12:25 sharky246 wrote:
I just started practicing zed yesterday in preparation for ranked. How big is his nerf, will he still be viable?

It's the smallest love tap they could possibly give him. The nerf is to remove slow down his split push threat. I don't thnk it's a big deal. I think Zed's a terrible champ unless you snowball super hard or you're a challenger.

I don't get how it really removes the split push threat. His Q and E still gunna clear super hard. Unless the AS change hits a breakpoint where he's starting to miss like 2 or 3 autos in a an all in, I don't see it being that big of a nerf.


They wanted to hit his tower killing abilities, i believe. He used to just take a massive dump on them.

He still will. He lost 1% base AS and 1% AS per level. Meaning before the nerf at level 10 and no extra AS, 9 times in 10 seconds. After the nerf, he'll auto 8.5 times in 10 seconds. It's the smallest love tap they could've possibly given him.

More like 1.5% base AS, and it's a little more impactful then that since he almost always builds botrk and ghostblade, both of which scale off his AS. So all things considered he actually loses a noticeable amount of dps against towers/inhibs.

He's obviously still strong, but it's not like this change doesn't do anything

Also Prog, I told you syndra stun felt broken!

On January 28 2015 16:39 Sonnington wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2015 15:47 droserin wrote:
Now that gunblade has more ap, is it a better buy on Ahri? I've seen some people get it before because of her w, and it should work better now that it is more of an AP item.

No. Definitely not on Ahri. I think it'll still be an Akali only item. Good question though. Will there ever be a reason to buy this item on any other champ other than Akali now that it's been buffed?


Morde maybe? Also might be interesting on cassio to give her some more sticking power, and the ROA semi-bruiser diana (if that's even still a thing?)
RagequitBM
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada2270 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-28 08:45:08
January 28 2015 08:02 GMT
#87
Just had a random thought that it would be cool if in the client under leagues you could select:
NACS
LCS
LPL
LCK
and see the standings. Small thing, but I think it would be interesting

Edit: Can't wait for piglet to underperform one game and the #keepkeith train goes off the rails
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Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
January 28 2015 08:39 GMT
#88
Hey, is anyone else having issues with what I can only describe as packet loss? Just got out of a game where after the 10 minute mark I'd get 1-2 minutes of slide show action, and be unable to do anything during a team fight.

I'm done with League tonight either way, I just want to know if it was just my ISP or not, as this is the first time I've ever had anything like that happen to me since I started playing League.
Sonnington
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1107 Posts
January 28 2015 08:54 GMT
#89
On January 28 2015 16:43 killerdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2015 15:36 Sonnington wrote:
On January 28 2015 14:51 Ethelis wrote:
On January 28 2015 14:45 wei2coolman wrote:
On January 28 2015 14:33 Sonnington wrote:
On January 28 2015 12:25 sharky246 wrote:
I just started practicing zed yesterday in preparation for ranked. How big is his nerf, will he still be viable?

It's the smallest love tap they could possibly give him. The nerf is to remove slow down his split push threat. I don't thnk it's a big deal. I think Zed's a terrible champ unless you snowball super hard or you're a challenger.

I don't get how it really removes the split push threat. His Q and E still gunna clear super hard. Unless the AS change hits a breakpoint where he's starting to miss like 2 or 3 autos in a an all in, I don't see it being that big of a nerf.


They wanted to hit his tower killing abilities, i believe. He used to just take a massive dump on them.

He still will. He lost 1% base AS and 1% AS per level. Meaning before the nerf at level 10 and no extra AS, 9 times in 10 seconds. After the nerf, he'll auto 8.5 times in 10 seconds. It's the smallest love tap they could've possibly given him.

More like 1.5% base AS, and it's a little more impactful then that since he almost always builds botrk and ghostblade, both of which scale off his AS. So all things considered he actually loses a noticeable amount of dps against towers/inhibs.

He's obviously still strong, but it's not like this change doesn't do anything

Also Prog, I told you syndra stun felt broken!

Show nested quote +
On January 28 2015 16:39 Sonnington wrote:
On January 28 2015 15:47 droserin wrote:
Now that gunblade has more ap, is it a better buy on Ahri? I've seen some people get it before because of her w, and it should work better now that it is more of an AP item.

No. Definitely not on Ahri. I think it'll still be an Akali only item. Good question though. Will there ever be a reason to buy this item on any other champ other than Akali now that it's been buffed?


Morde maybe? Also might be interesting on cassio to give her some more sticking power, and the ROA semi-bruiser diana (if that's even still a thing?)


Ok, lets do the math. At level 10 with no items he loses roughly 5.5% of his damage. With items the discrepancy is less, it's about 3% less damage. For instance, at level 18 he has 118.5% as pre nerf. Post nerf it's 100.1%. That's a difference of about 15%. Add in ghostblade active and Bork and it's a difference of about 9%. Of course, ghostblade only lasts 6 seconds.

It's definitely something. It's a really light love tap.

I've never really played Morde, but Gunblade on him makes sense. People used to build it all the time when WotA gave mana regen. Come to think of it, it's a good Kat item again too. I almost forgot it had a 40%ap ratio. Man, this is going to be weird seeing Gunblade Kats running around again.
botchedit
Profile Joined January 2015
74 Posts
January 28 2015 09:04 GMT
#90
On January 28 2015 16:28 Scip wrote:
Even the most pathetic junglers like Rammus should be able to do 4 camp clear skipping wraiths.


Except they can't. I have no idea where this terrible comment is coming from.
TheHumanSensation
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1210 Posts
January 28 2015 09:07 GMT
#91
On January 28 2015 18:04 botchedit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2015 16:28 Scip wrote:
Even the most pathetic junglers like Rammus should be able to do 4 camp clear skipping wraiths.


Except they can't. I have no idea where this terrible comment is coming from.


From the best jungler on TL LoL. Who are you playing that can't clear 4 camps?
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
January 28 2015 09:10 GMT
#92
On January 28 2015 16:28 Scip wrote:
Even the most pathetic junglers like Rammus should be able to do 4 camp clear skipping wraiths.

u dont always get good leash in soloQ especially if u try to start on other side than bot to be unpredictable when u know enemy jungler is shaco or other invade happy jungler
RagequitBM
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada2270 Posts
January 28 2015 09:12 GMT
#93
I don't really understand why people argue with Scip about jungling. I dont know where he finished but I remember he was in challenger at one point.
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kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
January 28 2015 09:16 GMT
#94
i dont say its not possible i just say its annoying for people who dont like to depend on soloQ randoms to be safe from invades
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-28 09:28:05
January 28 2015 09:19 GMT
#95
On January 28 2015 18:04 botchedit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2015 16:28 Scip wrote:
Even the most pathetic junglers like Rammus should be able to do 4 camp clear skipping wraiths.


Except they can't. I have no idea where this terrible comment is coming from.

I won't let the opportunity where I can show the immense size of my e-dick without it seeming too much like vain boasting slide that easily
I was challenger for a fairly long time in S3, topped rank22 mid-season, didn't drop below dia1 since. Was the 10th person to hit challenger on EUW last season and stayed there for a bit before retiring back to dia1. All of that playing jungle.

For a more constructive comment, although perhaps I plug it way too often, if you're interested in optimizing jungle clears and perhaps finding the faults in your clears and setups that don't allow you to clear the jungle properly, I reccomend checking out the Scipaeus Jungling Challenge
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
RagequitBM
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada2270 Posts
January 28 2015 09:21 GMT
#96
It wasn't really directed at you kongoline sorry, it's just that I see <platinum players always trying to argue with him. I don't know if they just dont realize how good he is, or if they just think they know more than they actually do.
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Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-28 09:35:16
January 28 2015 09:24 GMT
#97
About playing vs invade happy junglers, in soloQ you usually have to go for a coinflip guess of what they're going to do, unless you can somehow organize a proper lvl1 that would give you enough safety. Personally when going against champions like Shaco I often just give up my red buff and live without it, it doesn't give than much more exp and gold than other camps, so the only thing that gets hurt is your dueling, ganking and a little bit of clearing power that you can usually do without. It's not ideal, but if you can't get your teammates to ward for you and protect you properly there isn't much you can do.

Specifically Rammus whom I mentioned doesn't even need to skip Wraiths and can do a 5 camp clear, it's not unthinkable that he could do a 6 camp clear with some more optimization
+ Show Spoiler +


About platinum and lower players arguing against me, they are welcome to when appropriate (for example in this thread), surely I'm not the only person who derives pleasure from being right in an argument.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
r3dox
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Germany261 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-28 09:47:24
January 28 2015 09:46 GMT
#98
Q - Conquering Sands

DO YOU SEE THIS RANGE : Conquering Sands' targeting indicator has been adjusted to properly display the spell's actual range of 800 ⇒ 875. No functional changes have been made.

...

E - Leap/Evolved Wings

KHA'ZIX FIX : Fixed a tooltip bug to accurately reflect Leap/Evolved Wings' cooldown of 22/20/18/16/14 ⇒ 20/18/16/14/12 (actual value unchanged)


as a Software developer this pains my heart.
For certain ability values like range/cooldown etc. they seem to be using more than 1 values (azir fix: 1 value for the actual ability range and 1 value for the range indicator) and they have to keep them in sync instead of using just 1 "single source of thruth" value. I have no idea why they would do this but patch notes have been full of this kind of "fixes" ...
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
January 28 2015 10:21 GMT
#99
so now that ruby builds into belt do u guys think riot should also allow upgrading blasting wand into large rod and pickaxe into BF ?
TheHumanSensation
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1210 Posts
January 28 2015 10:34 GMT
#100
Not necessarily, build paths are one way of gating power, and getting rid of this for defensive items isn't really a 1:1 scenario with getting rid of this gating for offensive items. Zhonya's on some supports would be nice, I guess, but I'm not sure if it's something I actually really want.
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