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[Patch 5.2] RIP DFG General Discussion - Page 2
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
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ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
On January 28 2015 09:28 ZeromuS wrote: Looks like more junglers gonna be taking 21 defensive instead of 21 offensive now. That might help even out a bit of the harm here? why would junglers take 21 def more now than before ??? | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
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MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
Also let me be salty about the Akariiii~n nerfs qq (／(ｴ)＼) | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
And having a way to damage tanks is fine (I mean, if you tried playing Viktor in s3-4 it was painfully obvious that no DFG would let you magically play your role by focusing a Nasus/Renekton/Xin), it's just Liandry's is simply so inefficient outside of edge cases that noone builds it anyway, even at lower levels, which makes their statement false. Then (or rather, before) there's the part where they say "after Liandry's was introduced, people started buying DFG to 100-0 squishies". Yup. DFG was used against tanks previously and not primarily to blow up squishies better. Riot said it in their patchnotes so it's gotta become true all of a sudden. Horseshit. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On January 28 2015 09:19 GhandiEAGLE wrote: So uh Is Veigar dead? Because Veigar feels dead. support veigar still alive! I wanna believe! On January 28 2015 09:55 Alaric wrote: Wait, since when do you even care about Akali? And having a way to damage tanks is fine (I mean, if you tried playing Viktor in s3-4 it was painfully obvious that no DFG would let you magically play your role by focusing a Nasus/Renekton/Xin), it's just Liandry's is simply so inefficient outside of edge cases that noone builds it anyway, even at lower levels, which makes their statement false. Then (or rather, before) there's the part where they say "after Liandry's was introduced, people started buying DFG to 100-0 squishies". Yup. DFG was used against tanks previously and not primarily to blow up squishies better. Riot said it in their patchnotes so it's gotta become true all of a sudden. Horseshit. RIP sideboobs. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35143 Posts
On January 28 2015 09:02 Alaric wrote: I mean... they kind of give me a choice between "they're super ignorant about their game" and "they're outright lying to try and embellish their decisions". Either way it's not pretty. Well maybe now that it's the only option they'll turn their attention to it and make it non-niche. | ||
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Zelc
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A bigger problem is it seems like you can't afford Mobility Boots after your second back with a 3 camp start. | ||
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
On January 28 2015 09:28 ZeromuS wrote: Looks like more junglers gonna be taking 21 defensive instead of 21 offensive now. That might help even out a bit of the harm here? Uhh, what? With the current meta as it is the reason why junglers go 21/9/0 is because they get all their defensive stats from going full tank after getting their enchantment from the jungler item for a tiny bit more AD/AP for that extra bit of flat damage for the first couple fights. The only time a jungler will go 9/21/0 is if they are the team's sole tank and the team composition requires you to do so (usually this means the Tenacity enchantment + Ninja Tabi or Mobi Boots). | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
they may as well have just put "I'm just not looking for a relationship right now" as the context post. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On January 28 2015 10:10 GolemMadness wrote: Not sure how these changes will effect Tristana. My initial impression is that it's an overall nerf. 22.3% less range per level and 40% less attack speed per level is a big deal, and I don't know if the extra damage on E makes up for it. well the nerf was intentional the question is how big and how good is she still | ||
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
On January 28 2015 10:10 GolemMadness wrote: Not sure how these changes will effect Tristana. My initial impression is that it's an overall nerf. 22.3% less range per level and 40% less attack speed per level is a big deal, and I don't know if the extra damage on E makes up for it. It probably is a big nerf overall, unless she can somehow stick her E onto a target (which has a pretty small range to begin with), then get 4 AAs off on them before they run away (which isn't likely unless she's max level or has a max level Q to give her the AS steroid to get the shots off). It might help her blow up a single target in the mid game power trough she used to have, but the late game terror that is a 4+ item Trist is gone. Edit: Actually, the fact that the E can be applies to towers means she can chunk towers down super fast once she gets an AD item (Pickaxe or BFS) and let her be able to afk farm a lane, so... I dunno, I still think it's a nerf. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
just checked it's essentially the same range (-5) as her auto at all levels Riot's original context post on the reworkOld Trist was a late game powerhouse who didn’t really have clearly defined weaknesses. Her power dipped in the mid game, yeah, but when you look at other super powerful late game carries (think Vayne or Kog’Maw), she just didn’t have the same Achilles heel-type glowing red spots for her enemy team to pew pew at. She had insane range and speed with her basic attacks, and even when she did get caught, she had a decent knock back AND a lengthy jump that let her GTFO. Changes were needed, and after deliberating with the rest of the champion update designers, we decided to cement Tristana as a daredevil reset carry who gets bonuses from (rocket) jumping into fights while removing some of thesafe strength she had in her kit. the nerf is intentional the question is, is she still good, she still has a reset so odds are she isn't terrible. | ||
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
On January 28 2015 10:16 Slusher wrote: does the new E no longer receive range from her passive? If it does, it still is a nerf because her max range at 18 is now 669 instead of 693. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On January 28 2015 08:34 Kinie wrote: So... This patch feels like a bunch of nerfs overall. Fizz got chunked, Annie change is... Meh I think. Ahri seems weaker but mobility is always a tricky thing, maybe she can use the move speed to get to other lanes faster for ganks? Lack of a 120ap item to replace DFG in this patch means we might see the meta shift to Jayce being fotm mid again. Trist loses 24 range at lvl 18, attacks slower and isn't as tanky, and instead gains early game harassment on her E. This probably knocks her off the best hypercarry throne. The ruby crystal change I like. Reksai nerf is small but it wasn't ever about the damage she did in the jungle, it was how strong her E is and the damage her triple Q attack let's her do. Still dislike the jingle change, now the jungler will have to back a second time after clearing the other buff camp and a second camp (usually Red and Krugs or Blue and Gromp), which means a slower climb to 6 and less likely to see ganks in the 3-5 range. Akali change is fine, her burst combo was so oppressive at the 6-11 range. That's all I got so far. Question: Is there a hypercarry anymore? | ||
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