EPTIt's probably a buff at level 1-2. After that it's a little sketchy I think.
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
It's probably a buff at level 1-2. After that it's a little sketchy I think. | ||
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
wait what? I had no freaking idea about this. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
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Germany9118 Posts
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Sweden5302 Posts
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
I Believe that J4, Lee Sin, Rengar, Olaf, K6, Vi... All need AD quints tho. Atk Spe quints are mostly for really niche/really bad junglers like Yi, Skarner, WW, Shaco, Tryndamere, Udyr... so if you are low on IP and want to get good jungling quints, go for AD | ||
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Jungle is the lane with the biggest difference between a person who just plays games and does what feels good, and a person who does lots of math and goes into customs and optimizes shit. In lanes the guy who spends hours optimizing things might have a build that's 1% more efficient, but in the jungle they might end up hitting level 6 30-45 seconds faster, which is hugemongous. I think if you really really want to optimize runes for a jungle champion you should do it with a calculator and custom games, not with probuilds. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
If you get to afk farm the jungle you will hit level 11 at or before the solo laners, assuming you have an optimized jungle route. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On February 10 2015 03:33 Ketara wrote: I think we've learned that the build orders on most professional junglers are criminally bad. Jungle is the lane with the biggest difference between a person who just plays games and does what feels good, and a person who does lots of math and goes into customs and optimizes shit. In lanes the guy who spends hours optimizing things might have a build that's 1% more efficient, but in the jungle they might end up hitting level 6 30-45 seconds faster, which is hugemongous. I think if you really really want to optimize runes for a jungle champion you should do it with a calculator and custom games, not with probuilds. It's the PVE element of Jungling that allows for the high level of optimization. In lanes you're always fighting your opponents, not the creeps, so you can't take it as far. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On February 09 2015 10:02 krndandaman wrote: I wrote up a post trying to argue but honestly theres no point to arguing this since theres no way of proving who wins "theoretically". My intentions for using the word "theoretically" is not what you think it meant and I hopefully clarified that in my edit in the post above. If I didn't, my bad for using that word for lack of a better/shorter way of expressing what I meant but this isn't what I was getting at at all. To reiterate, my point was that cait/nami is a lane that should be able to go at least even in most/all matchups assuming equal skill level. This point was made because I wanted to stress that just because cait/nami is a really strong bottom lane duo doesn't mean they are equally oppressive vs all other combination of duos. edit: I feel like this discussion is getting blown way out of proportion lmao. "I don't think I've seen any pro players say "X+Y is the best bot lane combination" but you guys are so confident in saying what the best combo is with a fraction of the games experience and a modicum of the skill" to be fair no one does then. obviously even pros can't come to a 100% consensus about which bot lane combination is the best. I'm not stating it as 100% fact because that's impossible to prove. It's an assumption I made based on my experiences. Should everyone add a disclaimer to their post that reads "I know I'm a shit player compared to pros and in no ways should my posts be read as claiming to be based on confirmed facts"? I thought that was a given. also pls, cait/nami being strong/strongest isn't even the point I was trying to make. If you're trying to convince me cait/nami is not the strongest, I'm more than willing to go along with that as long as you listen to the main point I was trying to make. I was only using them as an example since Wonderful said no one doesn't get shit on by that duo. you should at least justify your posts if you don't have any evidence to prove it cait nami being a decently strong bot lane seems reasonable but the best? seems unlikely there is such a thing. first off you you have to assume cait +namie doesn't lose to cait+X champ, and then it doesn't lose x+nami and then it doesn't lose to X+Y VERY unlikely unless you have STRONG evidence or justifiication i was calling you out because its a bullshit statement On February 09 2015 11:02 cLutZ wrote: I don't understand why people are so bad at discussing "the theoretical lane". Its a lane of equal global pressure with equal skill on both sides. Its not hard to freaking understand. Its like the old Jax vs. Renekton (before they both got nerfed). Theoretical Renekton was more powerful at all times of the game compared to theoretical Jax until the 40, 50 minute mark because he was always a full item+ahead. how the fuck do you define equal skill and map pressure there are so many variables in both of those terms theoretical jax was weaker than theoretical renek until 40 minutes? What fucking theory did you do? IIRC jax probably won at 20 minutes or something ask scip he probably played the mu a lot i fucking rekt a cait+nami lane just now with ashe+janna and im a shit adc Also the statement "I don't understand why people are so bad at discussing "the theoretical lane" " is really stupid. Show me one case where I tl'er has accurately assessed a matchup based purely off their knowledge and not other players or their own extensive experience and how often has their experience ended up being flat out wrong because they were in a terrible league and better players proved them wrong because this forum has a long history of making random claims on what's good and not and being completely wrong | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On February 09 2015 10:13 nafta wrote: Well your examples are lanes that would get destroyed by good cait/nami.Draven and corki are very weak vs caitlyn.All the champions you mentioned provide a lot more jungle pressure and aren't that strong in lane by themselves.Only annie can do well if she doesn't feed too much pre 6. Don't get me wrong lulu is awful if you have the weaker ad you are right on that one. I don't understand why people think that cait beats draven so hard. Draven can walk up and auto Cait in the duration of her animation, its not like she should be getting a lot of free harass on him unless he is bad at returning it. Her one advantage against draven is the ability to push slightly harder than him with peacemaker. But if cait has the weaker support or if Draven can get a decent engage cait will lose that lane super hard. Cait/Nami will dump draven though since Nami just shits all over draven (bubble his axe landing spot, if he catches it he is fucked, if he drops it he is fucked) | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4116 Posts
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
In addition, often bot laners are duos that have practiced with each other and on voice. It's hard to beat these guys, which is probably why a lot of the ADC streamers duo with a support. Then there's Geronimo. He just carries. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
You can 6 camp clear without lifesteal runes on Rengar if you start golems btw. It's p slow tho that's retarded anyway, instead of using the runes you feel comfortable with you should get comfortable with the runes that are better. | ||
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