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Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-09 05:47:46
January 09 2015 05:45 GMT
#21
On January 09 2015 14:39 Slusher wrote:
For me the last section is more of an indictment on KDA than an indicator of Easyhoon's skill


Yes and no. I don't really think KDA is always the 100 indicator of skill -- see Cop's KDA lowering but becoming a better player -- but I'm a stats guy. I've always thought Easyhoon was an extremely good player. Not flashy, but really good. There is a reason why SKT T1 S, through their boring style centered, made it all the way to the semifinals and one game away from the finals.

Oh, and, the sentence, "Faker would get all the fans and praise, killing his foes in glorious duels with his shining blade of glory" is a bit awkward.

I'm a fairly critical reader, and the fact that there were only two things that bugged me about your article really speaks volumes of your skill at writing.


You're right. I was going for a goofy, over-the-top type description and it can come off as awkward. Fixed it. I can see where you came from. Again, I appreciate all the words and reading!

I'm going to get ready to watch Champions in two hours.
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fanaticus
Profile Joined January 2015
United States40 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-09 05:50:53
January 09 2015 05:49 GMT
#22
I really don't understand the hate for SKT T1 S... Yes, they were boring. Yes, they had a tendency to lose early game hard and stall games out, but Europe's darling CLG EU were known for just that also. Their play styles are actually extremely similar in my mind, but CLG EU is remembered fondly while SKT T1 S is not.

The irrational hatred of SKT T1 S really seems to just stem from the fact that they peaked during SKT T1 K's slump and SKT T1 fans were frustrated that it wasn't K and Faker up there in the semi-finals.
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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-09 05:52:06
January 09 2015 05:50 GMT
#23
On January 09 2015 14:45 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2015 14:39 Slusher wrote:
For me the last section is more of an indictment on KDA than an indicator of Easyhoon's skill


Yes and no. I don't really think KDA is always the 100 indicator of skill -- see Cop's KDA lowering but becoming a better player -- but I'm a stats guy. I've always thought Easyhoon was an extremely good player. Not flashy, but really good. There is a reason why SKT T1 S, through their boring style centered, made it all the way to the semifinals and one game away from the finals.



I mean if you want to talk about getting deep into the playoffs, a guy referenced in that section, Ggoong, got his team into a finals by killing himself to remove double buffs from ambition.

A play that moved him further from being player B on the chart but got his team one round further in the playoffs.

(I like the section I just feel the need to shit on KDA when given the opportunity I can't help myself)
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NoticeMeAilee
Profile Joined January 2015
12 Posts
January 09 2015 05:51 GMT
#24
Easyhoon is arguably the second best midlaner in Korea at the moment. Faker being the first of course.
RaphaelSanzio
Profile Joined January 2015
United States150 Posts
January 09 2015 05:52 GMT
#25
Now with the season upon us, the opening match against NaJin e-mFire summed up Faker and Easyhoon's relationship perfectly. Faker, playing a bit arrogant, first-picked Xerath and let the NaJin team counter-pick him. On a siege champion that needs the right team composition and support to work well, Faker and the rest of SKT were trounced in the first game against Ggoong's Zed-led NaJin team.

Easyhoon, playing in the second game, waited till the last pick of the draft and chose Xerath. On the slow-moving, siege tank-like champion, Easyhoon crushed NaJin, picking up the MVP award for the game and getting SKT back into the series.

So with Easyhoon picking up a big win with his safe, simple style, and Faker falling on his face with a bit of arrogance, who did SKT choose to go with in the end? With the series on the line, SKT went with Faker, pushing Easyhoon back on the bench and letting their crown jewel have one last shot at redeeming himself.

Faker, being Faker, did just that – he picked the same LeBlanc that crushed Easyhoon in the two player's first meeting, and did the same thing against NaJin. Easyhoon, sitting from the sidelines, watched as Faker picked up the first Pentakill of the season and gained the attention for his amazing play. Easyhoon might have chipped away at the wall, but Faker was the one who finally broke it down.


I don't really agree with this.

I think they have a plan on using Faker on Red side and Easyhoon on Blue side. Also, I doubt Faker got cocky and said "first pick me Xerath". It's pretty obvious the picks and pick order are mandated by KkOma when he's in the booth with them. Why KkOma would want to first pick Xerath? I don't know, maybe he wanted to see how Najin would react and adapt for the next two games with the information he got from Game 1. I mean they didn't ban Annie in game 1 but banned her for game 2 and game 3. They probably would have target banned that Annie if they didn't lose game 1 to her.

Faker's aggressive style fits red side better too since they have a better concave at early dragon fights with the way the pits work. Easyhoon's farming playstyle is probably better for blue side since they seem to prioritize turrets and barons.
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fanaticus
Profile Joined January 2015
United States40 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-09 05:53:00
January 09 2015 05:52 GMT
#26
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JL13
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1384 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-09 05:55:53
January 09 2015 05:52 GMT
#27
On January 09 2015 14:50 Slusher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2015 14:45 Fionn wrote:
On January 09 2015 14:39 Slusher wrote:
For me the last section is more of an indictment on KDA than an indicator of Easyhoon's skill


Yes and no. I don't really think KDA is always the 100 indicator of skill -- see Cop's KDA lowering but becoming a better player -- but I'm a stats guy. I've always thought Easyhoon was an extremely good player. Not flashy, but really good. There is a reason why SKT T1 S, through their boring style centered, made it all the way to the semifinals and one game away from the finals.



I mean if you want to talk about getting deep into the playoffs, a guy referenced in that section, Ggoong, got his team into a finals by killing himself to remove double buffs from ambition.

A play that moved him further from being player B on the chart but got his team one round further in the playoffs.


Oh god I remember that play and thinking immediately as it occurred, "that was game-saving." Huge, ballsy, but necessary move.



Wow, I don't remember that play. Do you mind linking it if it's available anywhere?


Ace match NaJin vs CJ Blaze Semi Finals Spring 2014? Le Blanc mirror match iirc.
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Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
January 09 2015 05:52 GMT
#28
On January 09 2015 14:49 fanaticus wrote:
I really don't understand the hate for SKT T1 S... Yes, they were boring. Yes, they had a tendency to lose early game hard and stall games out, but Europe's darling CLG EU were known for just that also. Their play styles are actually extremely similar in my mind, but CLG EU is remembered fondly while SKT T1 S is not.

The irrational hatred of SKT T1 S really seems to just stem from the fact that they emerged during SKT T1 K's slump and SKT T1 fans were frustrated that it wasn't K and Faker up there in the semi-finals.


It's because Marin was a 'bust' for not being the next Faker/Flame, H0R0 was never that exciting, and the bottom lane were guys who had already been passed around NaJin and CTU. I would compare S to Greece from when they won the European Championship. An underdog team that played to their strengths to beat more talented teams, but got roasted by casual fans for being too boring or not playing fast pace enough.

KT Arrows were the exact opposite. They had all the talent in the world, but really bad strategies and planning half the time. If SKT T1 S had beaten Arrows, I think they could have given Blue a shot at their money. Obviously glad that didn't happen, seeing as A vs. Blue was the series of the year.
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Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-09 05:54:22
January 09 2015 05:53 GMT
#29
On January 09 2015 14:52 fanaticus wrote:


I mean if you want to talk about getting deep into the playoffs, a guy referenced in that section, Ggoong, got his team into a finals by killing himself to remove double buffs from ambition.

A play that moved him further from being player B on the chart but got his team one round further in the playoffs.

Wow, I don't remember that play. Do you mind linking it if it's available anywhere?


Game 5. CJ Entus Blaze vs. NaJin White Shield.

Ambition picks up a kill on Watch and has double buffs. He has a huge advantage over Ggoong in a LB vs. LB mirror. Ggoong goes balls to the wall, trades kills with Ambition, and gets the buffs off him. White Shield turns the tide and rolls to a big win.

I hate that game so much.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
January 09 2015 05:55 GMT
#30
On January 09 2015 14:53 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2015 14:52 fanaticus wrote:


I mean if you want to talk about getting deep into the playoffs, a guy referenced in that section, Ggoong, got his team into a finals by killing himself to remove double buffs from ambition.

A play that moved him further from being player B on the chart but got his team one round further in the playoffs.

Wow, I don't remember that play. Do you mind linking it if it's available anywhere?


Game 5. CJ Entus Blaze vs. NaJin White Shield.

Ambition picks up a kill on Watch and has double buffs. He has a huge advantage over Ggoong in a LB vs. LB mirror. Ggoong goes balls to the wall, trades kills with Ambition, and gets the buffs off him. White Shield turns the tide and rolls to a big win.

I hate that game so much.


I imagine you feel that way with a lot of Blaze games though.
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fanaticus
Profile Joined January 2015
United States40 Posts
January 09 2015 05:55 GMT
#31
On January 09 2015 14:52 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2015 14:49 fanaticus wrote:
I really don't understand the hate for SKT T1 S... Yes, they were boring. Yes, they had a tendency to lose early game hard and stall games out, but Europe's darling CLG EU were known for just that also. Their play styles are actually extremely similar in my mind, but CLG EU is remembered fondly while SKT T1 S is not.

The irrational hatred of SKT T1 S really seems to just stem from the fact that they emerged during SKT T1 K's slump and SKT T1 fans were frustrated that it wasn't K and Faker up there in the semi-finals.


It's because Marin was a 'bust' for not being the next Faker/Flame, H0R0 was never that exciting, and the bottom lane were guys who had already been passed around NaJin and CTU. I would compare S to Greece from when they won the European Championship. An underdog team that played to their strengths to beat more talented teams, but got roasted by casual fans for being too boring or not playing fast pace enough.

KT Arrows were the exact opposite. They had all the talent in the world, but really bad strategies and planning half the time. If SKT T1 S had beaten Arrows, I think they could have given Blue a shot at their money. Obviously glad that didn't happen, seeing as A vs. Blue was the series of the year.


Yeah that makes sense. I'll admit I was disappointed with Marin too, but honestly that guy had an unbelievable amount of pressure on him going into the season. Even Faker didn't have that much hype around him.

As for the hypothetical SKT T1 S vs. Samsung Blue finals match, I actually disagree - I think that Blue would have had a very easy time winning the series with a 3-0.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
January 09 2015 05:56 GMT
#32
I am happy that you are here, Fionn.
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Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
January 09 2015 06:00 GMT
#33
On January 09 2015 14:55 Ansibled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2015 14:53 Fionn wrote:
On January 09 2015 14:52 fanaticus wrote:


I mean if you want to talk about getting deep into the playoffs, a guy referenced in that section, Ggoong, got his team into a finals by killing himself to remove double buffs from ambition.

A play that moved him further from being player B on the chart but got his team one round further in the playoffs.

Wow, I don't remember that play. Do you mind linking it if it's available anywhere?


Game 5. CJ Entus Blaze vs. NaJin White Shield.

Ambition picks up a kill on Watch and has double buffs. He has a huge advantage over Ggoong in a LB vs. LB mirror. Ggoong goes balls to the wall, trades kills with Ambition, and gets the buffs off him. White Shield turns the tide and rolls to a big win.

I hate that game so much.


I imagine you feel that way with a lot of Blaze games though.


No lie, they went down 2-0 and felt like shit. I really wanted to see Blaze back in a Spring final. Then the come back happened, I was happy as hell and then Emperor had his godly Draven game. Game five comes. Ambition gets the kill on Watch. I am going crazy and screaming in my apartment.

Ggoong takes away the double buffs. Lustboy has a lackluster game. Flame's teleport on Jax gets stopped. Everything falls apart. White Shield stomps to a victory. I passed out at like 6:00 AM when the games were over and it was the worst I had ever felt about a LoL series in my life. MVP Ozone's 3-0 was nothing compared to the White Shield heartbreak.

Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
January 09 2015 06:03 GMT
#34
Nice writeup ! Easyhoon played a really, really solid game vs NaJin recently in 2nd game.
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fanaticus
Profile Joined January 2015
United States40 Posts
January 09 2015 06:03 GMT
#35
Man, what is it about CJ Blaze that makes League writers fan-boy over them so hard
Diamond III ~ NA Server
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
January 09 2015 06:04 GMT
#36
Flame, pretty much
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JL13
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1384 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-09 06:05:19
January 09 2015 06:04 GMT
#37
On January 09 2015 15:00 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2015 14:55 Ansibled wrote:
On January 09 2015 14:53 Fionn wrote:
On January 09 2015 14:52 fanaticus wrote:


I mean if you want to talk about getting deep into the playoffs, a guy referenced in that section, Ggoong, got his team into a finals by killing himself to remove double buffs from ambition.

A play that moved him further from being player B on the chart but got his team one round further in the playoffs.

Wow, I don't remember that play. Do you mind linking it if it's available anywhere?


Game 5. CJ Entus Blaze vs. NaJin White Shield.

Ambition picks up a kill on Watch and has double buffs. He has a huge advantage over Ggoong in a LB vs. LB mirror. Ggoong goes balls to the wall, trades kills with Ambition, and gets the buffs off him. White Shield turns the tide and rolls to a big win.

I hate that game so much.


I imagine you feel that way with a lot of Blaze games though.


No lie, they went down 2-0 and felt like shit. I really wanted to see Blaze back in a Spring final. Then the come back happened, I was happy as hell and then Emperor had his godly Draven game. Game five comes. Ambition gets the kill on Watch. I am going crazy and screaming in my apartment.

Ggoong takes away the double buffs. Lustboy has a lackluster game. Flame's teleport on Jax gets stopped. Everything falls apart. White Shield stomps to a victory. I passed out at like 6:00 AM when the games were over and it was the worst I had ever felt about a LoL series in my life. MVP Ozone's 3-0 was nothing compared to the White Shield heartbreak.



And then you realize it's Ambition's Le Blanc. I have no idea why Blaze would ever try to go for the "let's outplay assassin extraordinaire Ggoong strategy." Game was over before it started barring some Flame miracle.
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Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
January 09 2015 06:28 GMT
#38
On January 09 2015 15:04 JL13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2015 15:00 Fionn wrote:
On January 09 2015 14:55 Ansibled wrote:
On January 09 2015 14:53 Fionn wrote:
On January 09 2015 14:52 fanaticus wrote:


I mean if you want to talk about getting deep into the playoffs, a guy referenced in that section, Ggoong, got his team into a finals by killing himself to remove double buffs from ambition.

A play that moved him further from being player B on the chart but got his team one round further in the playoffs.

Wow, I don't remember that play. Do you mind linking it if it's available anywhere?


Game 5. CJ Entus Blaze vs. NaJin White Shield.

Ambition picks up a kill on Watch and has double buffs. He has a huge advantage over Ggoong in a LB vs. LB mirror. Ggoong goes balls to the wall, trades kills with Ambition, and gets the buffs off him. White Shield turns the tide and rolls to a big win.

I hate that game so much.


I imagine you feel that way with a lot of Blaze games though.


No lie, they went down 2-0 and felt like shit. I really wanted to see Blaze back in a Spring final. Then the come back happened, I was happy as hell and then Emperor had his godly Draven game. Game five comes. Ambition gets the kill on Watch. I am going crazy and screaming in my apartment.

Ggoong takes away the double buffs. Lustboy has a lackluster game. Flame's teleport on Jax gets stopped. Everything falls apart. White Shield stomps to a victory. I passed out at like 6:00 AM when the games were over and it was the worst I had ever felt about a LoL series in my life. MVP Ozone's 3-0 was nothing compared to the White Shield heartbreak.



And then you realize it's Ambition's Le Blanc. I have no idea why Blaze would ever try to go for the "let's outplay assassin extraordinaire Ggoong strategy." Game was over before it started barring some Flame miracle.


If Ambition picks Lulu, Blaze goes to the final and destroys Samsung Blue like always. Then Flame goes to Worlds and makes it to the semifinals before White 3-0's them again.

Ambition's hubris at his LeBlanc really killed Blaze in the game. I could write a whole article about how that series broke my heart.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
January 09 2015 06:30 GMT
#39
Great piece man! Articles like this is what makes LL feel a lot more homey and awesome. Keep up the great work.
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MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
January 09 2015 06:31 GMT
#40
Easyhoon is like the unsung hero of SKT but who knows, maybe he will step out of Faker's shadow one day...
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