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UnKooL
Korea (South)1667 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
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JonGalt
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
On January 03 2015 23:49 Scip wrote: I'm in love with the coco BAKING SODA I GOT BAKING SODA To me, it does seem like western teams closed the gap a bit last year, maybe not a ton, but I think the difference is noticeable. I also don't think people can really deny that western teams are not trying to improve not only their play but also their infrastructure. More and more teams are adding coaches, analysts, trying things out such as separate house and playing environment, etc. I seriously doubt the streaming culture will ever die out and I don't see why it has to. A major thing that does need to be done is the testing of new players throughout the split. There are certainly enough games where you can risk probably 2 to 4 weeks and play an untested player and still be safe from relegation. We are just now hitting this turning point where almost all the first generation players are gone or on the way out, and to me that is really exciting because this second generation can use their knowledge, experiences, and mistakes - and turn it into a winning attitude. I'm very hopeful that season 5, 6, and 7 will show how western teams have vastly improved both in their play and mentality. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 03 2015 19:26 GhandiEAGLE wrote: WINNING LCS is useless, but relegation is a very real threat that claims a lot of teams with talented players that aren't able to develop fast enough, and middling teams can't afford to risk relegation for the sake of potential. I don't get what part of that is invalid. The part where Riot changes the relegation rules to protect you from dropping out. They've done that twice already, after all. EDIT: Though "you" in this case really only refers to CLG/DIG/CRS, aka Riot's big brand name babies. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On January 03 2015 19:26 GhandiEAGLE wrote: WINNING LCS is useless, but relegation is a very real threat that claims a lot of teams with talented players that aren't able to develop fast enough, and middling teams can't afford to risk relegation for the sake of potential. I don't get what part of that is invalid. The part where the teams that want to compete for the top spots are scared of a bunch of nonames with no lan experience.I am sorry but if your goal is to get top 4 in lcs and you can't even stomp the challenger teams you need a reality check.There is only one cloud 9 and pretty much all challenger teams are at best bottom tier lcs teams. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On January 04 2015 02:28 nafta wrote: The part where the teams that want to compete for the top spots are scared of a bunch of nonames with no lan experience.I am sorry but if your goal is to get top 4 in lcs and you can't even stomp the challenger teams you need a reality check.There is only one cloud 9 and pretty much all challenger teams are at best bottom tier lcs teams. Actually, if we count LMQ(granted, they're a special situation), we've had a team go to worlds that came in through challenger that season every year that they entered LCS in NA. I also don't see how new LCS teams should be held up to the standard of being immediate players, if we're holding up Champions as the model of a proper league, when outside of KTA in Summer, a team not owned by Samsung(counting MVP Ozone) or SKT hasn't won Champions since Najin Sword in Champions Winter 2012-2013. Huya Tigers aren't expected to win Champions Spring 2015, why should Curse Academy? | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 04 2015 02:41 Gahlo wrote: Actually, if we count LMQ(granted, they're a special situation), we've had a team go to worlds that came in through challenger that season every year that they entered LCS in NA. I also don't see how new LCS teams should be held up to the standard of being immediate players, if we're holding up Champions as the model of a proper league, when outside of KTA in Summer, a team not owned by Samsung(counting MVP Ozone) or SKT hasn't won Champions since Najin Sword in Champions Winter 2012-2013. Huya Tigers aren't expected to win Champions Spring 2015, why should Curse Academy? I think the image of NA LCS was painted largely by the 3 middle-tier teams I mentioned (Curse/CLG/Dignitas)--which, on the one hand, were pretty clearly never going to be relevant at a major international tournament, but on the other hand were never threatened enough by amateur teams to actually drop out of LCS. So you basically had 3 teams "taking up space" that slowed the rate at which new teams could trickle into the LCS, but also were never actually good enough to do more than that without major organizational teams. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On January 04 2015 02:50 TheYango wrote: I think the image of NA LCS was painted largely by the 3 middle-tier teams I mentioned (Curse/CLG/Dignitas)--which, on the one hand, were pretty clearly never going to be relevant at a major international tournament, but on the other hand were never threatened enough by amateur teams to actually drop out of LCS. So you basically had 3 teams "taking up space" that slowed the rate at which new teams could trickle into the LCS, but also were never actually good enough to do more than that without major organizational teams. At the same time, Jin Air Stealths/Flacons and IM 1/2 has been gatekeeping on Champions in the same manner. One could even extend that to CJ Blaze/Frost, with the exception of Blaze in Spring 2013. | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
Thanks for all the feedback helped me alot! Here is the Youtube Link as well as the reddit link would love your support <3 Reddit Link | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
the old korean teams were organized kind of like western, amateur player led teams. on pure mechanics, the top NA players can be competitive. we saw turtle winning lane vs piglet, and so on. but the team level software is lacking. NA's 'organizations' are marketing outfits. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 04 2015 03:09 Gahlo wrote: At the same time, Jin Air Stealths/Flacons and IM 1/2 has been gatekeeping on Champions in the same manner. One could even extend that to CJ Blaze/Frost, with the exception of Blaze in Spring 2013. While this is true, there are two factors that shape people's opinion of the Korean situation differently: 1) The Jin Air and IM teams rarely make bracket stage, meaning that they're less prominent in peoples' view of OGN as a whole. 2) OGN qualification format is less slanted toward teams that were already in last season (compared to LCS) so it doesn't feel like the format "protects" those gatekeeper teams the way LCS appears to. Especially since OGN never made a poorly-timed format change to make it *look like* they were protecting those teams. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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Nemireck
Canada1875 Posts
On January 04 2015 03:13 jaybrundage wrote: Yo Guys I finally posted my League Montage Vid. Thanks for all the feedback helped me alot! Here is the Youtube Link as well as the reddit link would love your support <3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpCwYudQLcs Reddit Link Significant improvement meng. Much better choice of music, and a lot of the lead-up footage was edited out so there was much more action. Made it through the whole video this time around, keep up the good work and keep improving! | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On January 04 2015 03:26 TheYango wrote: While this is true, there are two factors that shape people's opinion of the Korean situation differently: 1) The Jin Air and IM teams rarely make bracket stage, meaning that they're less prominent in peoples' view of OGN as a whole. 2) OGN qualification format is less slanted toward teams that were already in last season (compared to LCS) so it doesn't feel like the format "protects" those gatekeeper teams the way LCS appears to. Especially since OGN never made a poorly-timed format change to make it *look like* they were protecting those teams. it also doesn't help when marginal korean teams like IM, KTB etc can dominate foreign competition. overall game quality in OGN is also much higher. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On January 04 2015 02:50 TheYango wrote: I think the image of NA LCS was painted largely by the 3 middle-tier teams I mentioned (Curse/CLG/Dignitas)--which, on the one hand, were pretty clearly never going to be relevant at a major international tournament, but on the other hand were never threatened enough by amateur teams to actually drop out of LCS. So you basically had 3 teams "taking up space" that slowed the rate at which new teams could trickle into the LCS, but also were never actually good enough to do more than that without major organizational teams. And these are the freaking teams that should be experimenting with new talent, which is why ghandi is just straight up wrong. CLG basically intentionally lost 6 games last season playing hotshot and friends. This means they could have experimented at least 6 games with a random talent. Ffs, TSM did the gleeb experiment for like half the session and made worlds. The narrative that you can't possibly experiment is straight up wrong unless you suck. And we don't really care about them debuting talent, we want Crs.faker2.0, not Coast.impNA where he wastes a year of his prime trying to carry a useless set of teammates. | ||
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
aggressively push for level 2 advantage > she tries to prevent it but my superior regen wins out(flask/pots vs. dblade pots) force her back at level 2 she blows tp but not fast enough for me to reset the wave. at level 4 wave about midway thru the lane I kill her (not fb) I push in and soak one additional wave of exp advantage then go shop. weird amount of gold buy longsword, boots pots and a ward. she starts pushing so when I get back she has a pretty good minion advantage and trades agressively when I try to cs so I am forced to let it bounce off my tower, I get 6 off of the under tower farm and as it starts to push out she goes in to cs, I ult thru her and E her into my tower, she tanks a tower hit and wins the all in????? I guess I shoulda gone double dblade? | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
Not sure how this lane matchup is supposed to go, but from what I understand Irelia wins almost every matchup post level 6? and obviously as Kass I just lose the matchup until I teleport into a teamfight and clean up 5 kills. | ||
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