[Patch 4.21] Rek'Sai General Discussion - Page 77

On January 04 2015 06:50 Osmoses wrote:
I dunno, some irelias I destroy, others destroy me. I have yet to spot any significant differences in runes or playstyle. Sometimes she just does astronomical damage for seemingly no reason. Maybe it's a bug?

On January 04 2015 06:47 nafta wrote:
Hard to think of a matchup she loses if it goes even to 6 tbh.Maybe jax but other than that...

On January 04 2015 07:40 krndandaman wrote:
shouldn't trade with top kass. you can try to get few q's in but honestly you should never be able to kill irelia in lane unless you have jungler ganking. just play like a bitch, keep your tower alive, and then just wreck in teamfights.

On January 04 2015 05:25 cLutZ wrote:
And these are the freaking teams that should be experimenting with new talent, which is why ghandi is just straight up wrong. CLG basically intentionally lost 6 games last season playing hotshot and friends. This means they could have experimented at least 6 games with a random talent. Ffs, TSM did the gleeb experiment for like half the session and made worlds.

The narrative that you can't possibly experiment is straight up wrong unless you suck. And we don't really care about them debuting talent, we want Crs.faker2.0, not Coast.impNA where he wastes a year of his prime trying to carry a useless set of teammates.

On January 04 2015 07:34 Alaric wrote:
Re: Hec vs Irelia. Was she 6 too? Where were your life totals at? Did you all-in when you hit 6 even though she had a big creep wave hitting your tower?
As soon as you hit your E you took the aggro from all her minions. If your wave was close too and depending on positioning her ult can heal her for ~200 at level 1 if she was 6. It also can mostly clear your wave depending on is state (at least the ranged minions), further widening the gap.
If you had no MR runes at all like is popular now, her E is 180 damage at level 3, it's relatively high damage-wise early game.
And yeah depends on what she had after you killed her since you had a longsword aand a flask worth of combat stats (and pot > flask for instant regen).

Kassadin can harass her but like most squishies will lose straight-up fights to her, and if you let her E you you'll eat damage before you can ult out anyway. Because she has sustain, she's harder to take down than most midlaners (she's more likely to run MR runes/masteries too).

On January 04 2015 08:18 Gahlo wrote:

Dragon also can also wipe small leads easily. Let's look at two ADs rushing IE and one dragon being taken

Winning ADC finishes first and gets dragon:
84.8AD, 25 Crit, IE Stuff vs. 75AD, 15 Crit

Losing ADC doesn't finish IE but gets dragon:
80AD, 25 Crit, IE Stuff vs. 79.5AD, 15 Crit

Dragon either enhances the small lead in a minor way or near wipes out a small lead. Then, when you consider that IE is dropping to 20% crit in 5.1, being behind with Dragon isn't that far out anymore.

Replay regrets is kinda silly with op.gg, baron replays, and LSI. Should League have built in replays? Yeah, but if people care about replays they should have one installed right now imo.

On January 04 2015 07:12 Sufficiency wrote:
Can someone refresh my memory here:

During ESL, did the casters repeatedly say that gold lead does not matter as much in 4.20? I think at least one caster kept mentioning this.

On January 04 2015 08:24 Sufficiency wrote:


Dragon is basically "hidden gold", like you have said.

I think what is happening in solo queue is that the better team can take BOTH the dragon and the gold lead; while Riot imagined Dragon and gold to be two different tracks or strategies a team can follow, in solo queue both tracks are used simultaneously due to lack of organization.

Whether or not it's the same in competitive play remains to be seen.

On January 04 2015 08:10 gtrsrs wrote:


i don't know man, you're making a lot of logical fallacies here to make your point.

CLG didn't intentionally lose 6 games - it was 4, and they fielded a roster of ex-LCS players, not new prospects. these were also the last 4 games of the season, when CLG *already* had a locked playoff spot. so they put in 5 players that had nothing to lose, could act as spoilers, and weren't expected to win. absolutely no pressure - that's LITERALLY the opposite of what spending time on a new prospect is like. a new prospect plays in impactful games to see how they perform under pressure, has to impress immediately, etc.

CLG *could* have used this time to seek new talent, but don't forget that they were looking to solve their problems by going to korea. sure, retrospectively, we can see why that didn't work, but they came up with that idea last-minute and it seemed right to them. seeking new talent wasn't their goal, cementing their existing talent was.

On January 04 2015 07:55 wei2coolman wrote:

I won that 2nd trade with just 1 auto attack, only reason I think I won that 2nd trade was cuz I had health pots, and she didn't, and she didn't have ignite. Though by level 6 it got impossible to deal with her. She would just last hit Q one of my minions, then Q jump onto me, then slow me, and chase me down. I had always expend my ult to get away, which got pretty annoying.

Doesn't matter though. I bought a ton of wards, so we always saw Irelia rotating down, and either avoided her, or set her up a trap.