[Patch 4.21] Rek'Sai General Discussion - Page 75

On January 03 2015 16:01 krndandaman wrote:
the way it is in korea is better for competition and the viewers. the way it is in NA is better for the players, coaches, etc.
sure it'd be great to have the best of both worlds but esports is just not there yet.

On January 03 2015 16:39 TheHumanSensation wrote:
I thought we had the general vibe that NA managed to close the gap towards Korea at worlds this year a little? Meaning that it's still a large gap, but that it's smaller than previous years.

On January 03 2015 16:28 Letmelose wrote:
I don't know if we're being completely honest with ourselves here. All you all okay with organizations milking all that they can from the fans with false promises of potential glory and future success, when all the evidence points to the contrary? I would be fine if some of the Western organizations just became honest with themselves and stopped with all the PR we are doing all that we can to win, when the truth is closer to we are doing all we can to win money off you gullible kind hearted folks. Even the CJ organization, for all their flack, has focused less on PR and commercial success than the vast majority of Western teams.

We all know no Western team will ever be competitive (as in having a chance to win Worlds) with their current mindset. That's fine, but then don't sugarcoat it with how you're catching up and are doing all you can to do win, when you're unwilling to change the very thing that makes you more of a professional entertainer than a competitor. Streamers in Korea are at least honest in that they don't pretend that what they do everyday will eventually make them as good as Faker one day. They have different goals and they are honest and are open about it, I'm not sure if the same can be said about their Western counterparts.

On January 03 2015 14:55 GozoShioda wrote:
There's a specific reason I quoted him.
He along with the rest of management in NA are a joke.

On January 03 2015 16:28 Letmelose wrote:
I don't know if we're being completely honest with ourselves here. All you all okay with organizations milking all that they can from the fans with false promises of potential glory and future success, when all the evidence points to the contrary? I would be fine if some of the Western organizations just became honest with themselves and stopped with all the PR we are doing all that we can to win, when the truth is closer to we are doing all we can to win money off you gullible kind hearted folks. Even the CJ organization, for all their flack, has focused less on PR and commercial success than the vast majority of Western teams.

We all know no Western team will ever be competitive (as in having a chance to win Worlds) with their current mindset. That's fine, but then don't sugarcoat it with how you're catching up and are doing all you can to do win, when you're unwilling to change the very thing that makes you more of a professional entertainer than a competitor. Streamers in Korea are at least honest in that they don't pretend that what they do everyday will eventually make them as good as Faker one day. They have different goals and they are honest and are open about it, I'm not sure if the same can be said about their Western counterparts.

On January 03 2015 17:31 Slusher wrote:
dang I liked your post dunno why you deleted it

On January 03 2015 16:46 GhandiEAGLE wrote:

This is pretty exaggerated. It's not some truism to throw around, because I think most people who have a lot of knowledge about the game (not saying you do or do not) would likely disagree with you. Do you think a team like C9 is just held back by their moneygrubbing mindset? I definitely don't. I would say that there is certainly truth in what you say in that our infrastructure definitely needs more development, and that does have to do with corporate mindset, but it's not as black and white as you're saying.

Also, a few western teams had outside chances to win worlds if you ignore the presence of Samsung White (which was on a completely different level than every other team in the world, Korean or otherwise). I could see C9 taking a series off of Blue (not that they would be favored, but it wasn't a ridiculous scenario to consider as of Worlds), I probably would have favored TSM over Royal in a Bo5, and Alliance was also a decent contender stuffed into a power group. I know that ignoring the champions is a cheesy route to take, but even in a Worlds with only korean teams, nobody would have been a contender since White was just that much better than everybody.

On January 03 2015 17:49 Letmelose wrote:


You're taking the absolute creme de la creme of the available options just to state your case. Do you honestly believe teams like LG IM have outside chances of winning The Champions just because they take random games off Samsung Galaxy Blue? Because all these wishful thinking that you apply by erasing certain teams off the grid entirely, needing upsets to happen in favor of certain teams at a regularity not seen often in this universe, and thinking beating a team a calibre of SHRC is all you need to win the World Championship is nothing more than random delusions in my eyes and has nothing to do with my statement that Western teams in general do not have winning the World Championship as their absolute priority, and often make decisions that help them financially much more than decisions that will increase their odds. All these godlike teams that people wanted to take as superlative freaks of nature were and will be surpassed by organizations that have nothing else in their minds but to take them down. I simply don't see that level of dedication in the West, which is why we'll need to conjure all these unlikely scenarios for them to succeed, when kids who are actually professionals are out there vying (most of them failing) to be the best. I don't even see the majority of the West even trying, instead they imagine.

On January 03 2015 18:41 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
NA has a talent pool, but it doesn't have a system good enough to shape that talent due to the cutthroat nature of the LCS. You can't use subs for a couple games to give a player LAN experience because there are only 30 games in a season. It's sink or swim for teams and you can't afford to have some rookie with potential jeopardize your entire organization.

On January 03 2015 19:04 cLutZ wrote:

Lol what?

The LCS regular season is incredibly meaningless. Particularly Spring. The old OGN format gave you almost 0 chance to give players LAN exp comparatively. Your assertion is basically the inverse of the true talent development situation over the past 2 years.