EPTOn January 03 2015 11:34 Slusher wrote:
I get the feeling like Gozo doesn't know he's quoting an LCS owner/manager lol
I get the feeling like Gozo doesn't know he's quoting an LCS owner/manager lol
so what you're saying is gtrsrs no balls ?
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wei2coolman
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so what you're saying is gtrsrs no balls ? | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On January 03 2015 11:44 wei2coolman wrote: so what you're saying is gtrsrs no balls ? More like people spouting like they know what they're talking about right after somebody that actually knows makes a valid statement. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On January 03 2015 07:18 GozoShioda wrote: The only issue in western eSports is that the players run these organizations. The owners/managers/coaches have no backbone or balls at all to lay down the law out of fear of retribution from said players. I guess another flaw with western eSports is that 90% of it's players are a bunch of streamers pretending to be professional gamers. Hopefully the streamer bubble pops soon but that's unlikely to happen for a while. 90% of its players are streamers pretending to be professional gamers...? Like, what does this even mean? | ||
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Nemireck
Canada1875 Posts
On January 03 2015 12:08 GolemMadness wrote: 90% of its players are streamers pretending to be professional gamers...? Like, what does this even mean? It means we're probably not going to hear from Gozo for a while. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On January 03 2015 12:08 GolemMadness wrote: 90% of its players are streamers pretending to be professional gamers...? Like, what does this even mean? Isn't it by definition that streamers are professional players? they get paid to play... | ||
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killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
his point is a lot of western players put more time/effort into streaming (and get more of their income from it) then they put into practicing/investing time in LCS. The definition of professional gamer here meaning someone who's focus is all on tournaments, and the definition of streamer being someone who's focus is on streaming. Whether that's true or not is obviously up for debate, but being purposefully obtuse doesn't really help the discussion -.- | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
For those that care I recently made a bet with a friend that I'd make it back to diamond after dropping out by tomorrowish My full match history. http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/NA/39467469 I've essentially played these champions: Top: Rumble - Never banned/picked away from me Jungle: J4 - Lee Sin backup Mid: Orianna - Ahri backup AD: Graves - Caitlyn/lucian backup - 6-1 with graves Support: Thresh/Nami (I had dropped 300-350ish mmr per op.gg, down to ~1750s after internet went into the dumpster) My winrate is currently 14-6 over the last 20 games and I'm at 53 points plat I from a low of ~20 points plat II. I have until my friend gets back into town tomorrow to hit diamond - I need to be +5 wins over losses to hit diamond or I owe her bubble tea. Assuming I don't get too tired it should be possible, and assuming I win my series the first run through. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
I mean in a way I agree with the sentiment(that recycling is annoying from a viewer standpoint), but I also understand how much money is at stake from gtrs perspective. | ||
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krndandaman
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
who cares about diamond during preseason anyways, l0l | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On January 03 2015 13:52 krndandaman wrote: dude just lose the bet, free bubble tea date it's a win win for him. if he loses bet, he get bubble tea date. if he wins bet, girl likes him cuz everyone knows, chicks dig elo. | ||
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TheHumanSensation
Canada1210 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On January 03 2015 13:52 krndandaman wrote: dude just lose the bet, free bubble tea date personality/work ethic is probably the key factor. its something us outsiders can't really evaluate/know while the the insiders (pros, coaches, owners, managers, etc.) do. That's what I've been saying for days now. | ||
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JazzVortical
Australia1825 Posts
Also on Wizfujin, didn't most of his solo queue success come from playing Varus? While Varus is fine generally, he is/was considered a tier below the competitive ADC choices, so his 'talent' didn't really translate into the competitive scene? Might be mistaken though. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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krndandaman
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Slusher
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GozoShioda
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On January 03 2015 13:29 Slusher wrote: I got what he meant I just thought it was funny that he called LCS owners spineless whilst quoting one. I mean in a way I agree with the sentiment(that recycling is annoying from a viewer standpoint), but I also understand how much money is at stake from gtrs perspective. There's a specific reason I quoted him. He along with the rest of management in NA are a joke. Didn't Helios say he played more ranked games in a month than Innox did in all of one Season? Didn't all the ex CLG.EU guys live in the gaming house for a while after they got replaced? Didn't EG players stream quite a bit during the upcoming weeks in preparation towards relegation? (which by the way they've been in that spot twice.) I could go on for quite a while and that's just EG, don't even get me started on CLG/DIG/TSM and the rest of the streamer crew. Maybe I didn't express myself properly (and that's my fault). There is absolutely nothing wrong with what is happening in NA. As long as your goal is to make money through this concept of "personality" and marketing, then everything is perfectly fine since at the end of the day this is a business after all. NA teams are making bank through sponsor exposure and streaming. They don't need results. That's why guys like him and the rest of NA management have become complacent. There is no need to deliver results when you can just deliver the bare minimum of staying in the highest exposure avenue for your sponsors (LCS). However, if the mentality and procedures that exist in NA were to be used in a place like Korea, well then good luck, you won't survive for more than a week. The staff in KR teams wouldn't put up with the bullshit that plagues NA teams. NA players have no fear of being cut the moment they hit 5k+ viewers on twitch. The coaches in NA (Scarra/Loco for example) spend time streaming. I don't recall ever in my life hearing of KkOma or Reach streaming solo queue games because they are actually doing something called COACHING. The Najin organization has probably had more roster swaps in one year than all of the LCS teams put together have in the same timespan. If you're bad in Korea, tough luck, you get replaced and hopefully you return when you prove that you are still capable of providing results. If you're bad in NA, you'll get benched after maybe 2 splits, but if you're streaming to 10k+ viewers then you have absolutely nothing to fear in the job security department because if a big bad man manager like guitar tries to get rid of you for the sake of improving the team's results, all you have to do is give daddy Garfield/Dinh/Georgallidis a call that you're being bullied. We can't have that happening, can we? | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
I know we had a similar discussion recently, but this is a little different because its referring specifically to the pro level, where I think there are massively diminishing returns on spamming games. Sure, you have to play a lot to reach challenger, but comparing someone's games played to someone else's as a comparison of dedication or work ethic seems really flawed. | ||
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Slusher
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