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On December 15 2014 14:19 Amui wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 13:50 Sufficiency wrote:
Jungle Irelia has been pretty fun for me tonight. I essentially went Frog -> Wolf -> Blue -> mid gank -> Wraith -> Red -> Golem or top/bot gank. Her sustain is pretty good and I think if I don't gank I can easily do a full clear. Her mana cost is also low enough to play nicely with the new jungle item.
Next time I will try Golem -> Wraith -> Red -> mid gank then blue instead. I think red buff will give a way better level 3 mid gank after clearing half of the jungle.
My biggest concern is that she is just a poor man's Xin. I have actually never played Xin before so I don't really know how he would compare to Irelia - but I suspect it's pretty similar, except he is superior. However, Irelia's CC (E) is on-demand while Xin's W requires 3 autos, so I think there will be differences in how they gank. As for me, I think she is pretty interesting to play. Irelia would have to Q in first though, likely being higher HP, which means xin cc is superior unless you came out of jungle at low HP. Xin has Q after that for knockup. Both E's slow. Also Blackberry AHGL team is now 2/0 in preseason. Probably stuck jungling/shotcalling for the foreseeable future because I ate 3 bans on my laners both games 
I'd think by the time Xin can make use of his knockup, Irelia would be able to stun with her E.
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On December 15 2014 12:38 Sufficiency wrote:
Why? The heal amount only scales with AP, not her HP. So more AP -> more healing...
Because Soraka is directly balanced by her HP per sec/ MS. The former because she cannot heal herself outside of starcall and the latter because she is really vulnerable to poke from skillshots. Though Im not sure if this was just trolling...
Also Cassiopeia is ridiculously strong after her most recent set of buffs. +5% win rate globally into the top 20-30 champions depending on servers at all tiers and 53-9% winrate and top 10 in most diamond level tiers. 57% in Korean Diamond. Freelo Ahoy, assuming you spend all your bans dealing with Akali, Fizz and Kat. :D
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Yes I think in some situations I believe Irelia will have an easier time, but for the most part Xin feels more reliable.
I could be wrong. Never played Xin before.
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On December 15 2014 14:32 Purge wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 12:38 Sufficiency wrote:
Why? The heal amount only scales with AP, not her HP. So more AP -> more healing... Because Soraka is directly balanced by her HP per sec/ MS. The former because she cannot heal herself outside of starcall and the latter because she is really vulnerable to poke from skillshots. Though Im not sure if this was just trolling... Also Cassiopeia is ridiculously strong after her most recent set of buffs. +5% win rate globally into the top 20-30 champions depending on servers at all tiers and 53-9% winrate and top 10 in most diamond level tiers. 57% in Korean Diamond. Freelo Ahoy, assuming you spend all your bans dealing with Akali, Fizz and Kat. :D
I bet it has more to do with the jungle changes that killed most of the early ganks.
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Yup indeed more dumb opinions from Thorin
1) No. Calling someone an asshole is not some European cultural idiom for "have a nice day"
2) No there are actually plenty of reasons. The most likely being the many languages and the fact that every nation hates every other nation there.
3) No. Both of the people, the person who harasses and the person who feeds intentionally as a cause are toxic. One being more toxic doesn't make them both not toxic
4)No. Team wide constructive criticism is usually not something that happens in pickup sports. And no one harasses their teammates in pickup sports. And what we're discussing isn't constructive criticism.
5) You're probably right that there are reverse causation issues in the "win less games stat" but anecdata is not data and yes, Incarnation should win more games if he was not toxic since toxicity, even in the reverse causation situation, is a snowball and preventing that means more games are likely to be won. No, this does not mean that he must win exactly 20% more games. No one said anything close to that.
6) If people are systematically reporting people when they weren't being toxic then this is not an example of EUW being less toxic
7) Language and communication issues can cause issues. But surely if EUW were not more toxic people would recognize this and not respond with "fuck you" when someone said something only slightly problematic?
8) Language issues such as "rape" is indeed a cultural issue. But that doesn't mean the words aren't offensive. The N word used to be culturally accepted in the US. But that shit is sure as shit offensive and was even when it was culturally accepted.
9) Man what? NA pros get streaming money and therefore aren't as toxic and so its OK to rage at your singed top?
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Pootie too good!4331 Posts
On December 15 2014 01:01 kongoline wrote:
i wish it was possible to upgrade chain vest to wardens mail, carrying 2 cloth armors is awkward
I also don't really get this. Chain vest into warden's mail just seems logical.
On December 15 2014 02:34 Scip wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 00:53 Uldridge wrote:
Why would you want to miss out on the glory of a 100% champion pool?
Fuck the one trick ponies man, I'm an all trick pony. But seriously, when you start understanding how matchups and champions and the game in general work, why would you need that 1 perfect champ that perfectly suits you? Just play whatever you feel like and get the mad ladder points mang. Or donate them. Whatever it is, it's still your choice! hmm, are these the Church of Platinum4 dogmas that I am reading here? spam 1 champ, git gud. Extra Challenger nulla salus.
Yeah on this notion I been trying to figure out which champion I wanna play. Been spamming games like a mofo the past 48 hours. After a fuck ton of losing and being super rusty and terrible I decided:
- I still suck and hate the duo lane.
- My heart desires to be the next faker and style all over mid lane but I suck with the kats, akalis, leblancs, ahris, and other assasin or other squishy mage type characters.
- I only win games from top lane or jungle with tanky champs or characters I can go fucking ham with and jump in with 0 fucks given. It is also way easier to call for top lane (gonna be my main) or jungle (def my secondary) than mid or what have you. Especially if I say how much I suck at the duo lane.
I have really been enjoying Aatrox top/jungle. He is so fun! I can just jump right in with QRE and W my face off clicking around like a madman laughing maniacally.
Also I REALLY like top lane Karthus. Just feels right. I can sit there and farm and then press R. No need to roam. No need to follow my mid lane. Just up there in the island pushing for days getting doubles from across the map.
Still got a BUNCH of champs I wanna try in the top lane, but for now if I feel like winning and not testing out - those are gonna be my go to champs. Wanna try Karthus jungle too. I think after I finish my list of champs Ima just pick 1 or 2 from the ones I really have fun with and then spam the shit outta them until Regi calls me cause he wants to replace Dyrus.
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Yo dawgs. Ohmwrecker's legit.
On December 15 2014 14:58 JonGalt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 01:01 kongoline wrote:
i wish it was possible to upgrade chain vest to wardens mail, carrying 2 cloth armors is awkward I also don't really get this. Chain vest into warden's mail just seems logical.
What happened was people started bitching they couldn't build any "good" items out of their cloth5 start and any time you mentioned Ninja Tabi they came out in drove to call you an idiot because Tenacity is a must have all game every game so you can get Tabi instead of Merc Tred. Then when the Resists system crunch happened with S5, I guess they didn't want a buildup to look like cloth => Chainmail => Warden's Mail + Giants Belt => Randy's.
In other words, I blame the midlaners for starting this shit with Armguard.
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Bearded Elder29904 Posts
Why the hell Bjergsen keeps buying 2x Morello on AP mids? Is this a thing now?
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On December 15 2014 16:16 739 wrote:
Why the hell Bjergsen keeps buying 2x Morello on AP mids? Is this a thing now?
4200 gold for 160ap, insane mana regen and 40%cdr. Probably strongest item combo buy with around that amount of gold.
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On December 15 2014 14:56 Goumindong wrote:
2) No there are actually plenty of reasons. The most likely being the many languages and the fact that every nation hates every other nation there.
As much as I agree with some of your other points, boy this is uninformed. I've been playing on EUW for years and EUNE for months (when EUW suddenly decides that I've played too much for the day), and players' nationality is almost never brought up, even during the worst games. Maybe people on EUNE seem to really hate Poland for some reason, but on EUW it has been months since I saw someone go "f*ckin french" on someone else.
This might be surprising to people coming from places where blaming neighbor countries for their problems is daily routine for their politicians, but people in EU overwhelmingly don't care where you come from.
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On December 15 2014 16:16 739 wrote:
Why the hell Bjergsen keeps buying 2x Morello on AP mids? Is this a thing now?
I see tonnes of people getting now, particularly on long range mids like Xerath, Lux and Azir.
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On December 15 2014 17:04 AetherZucchini wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 14:56 Goumindong wrote:
2) No there are actually plenty of reasons. The most likely being the many languages and the fact that every nation hates every other nation there.
As much as I agree with some of your other points, boy this is uninformed. I've been playing on EUW for years and EUNE for months (when EUW suddenly decides that I've played too much for the day), and players' nationality is almost never brought up, even during the worst games. Maybe people on EUNE seem to really hate Poland for some reason, but on EUW it has been months since I saw someone go "f*ckin french" on someone else. This might be surprising to people coming from places where blaming neighbor countries for their problems is daily routine for their politicians, but people in EU overwhelmingly don't care where you come from.
Nationality based toxicity need not be so simple as "gods we hate se Germans" but that does not mean it doesn't exist. For examples of more direct kinds see why thorin no longer casts for IEM. For less direct kind see any kind of cultural difference that would come out in rants.
Aside: as much as I would love it if the democratic states just fucking ditched the republican states, it's not the case that American politicians blame all our problems on other nations. We're still one nation for now.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
On December 15 2014 17:04 AetherZucchini wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 14:56 Goumindong wrote:
2) No there are actually plenty of reasons. The most likely being the many languages and the fact that every nation hates every other nation there.
As much as I agree with some of your other points, boy this is uninformed. I've been playing on EUW for years and EUNE for months (when EUW suddenly decides that I've played too much for the day), and players' nationality is almost never brought up, even during the worst games. Maybe people on EUNE seem to really hate Poland for some reason, but on EUW it has been months since I saw someone go "f*ckin french" on someone else. This might be surprising to people coming from places where blaming neighbor countries for their problems is daily routine for their politicians, but people in EU overwhelmingly don't care where you come from.
"Polish" is pretty much synonymous with "bad" in the czech league of legends community. It's hilarious and it's not racist, because the Polish aren't a race, so all's good.
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Bearded Elder29904 Posts
On December 15 2014 17:23 Scip wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 17:04 AetherZucchini wrote:On December 15 2014 14:56 Goumindong wrote:
2) No there are actually plenty of reasons. The most likely being the many languages and the fact that every nation hates every other nation there.
As much as I agree with some of your other points, boy this is uninformed. I've been playing on EUW for years and EUNE for months (when EUW suddenly decides that I've played too much for the day), and players' nationality is almost never brought up, even during the worst games. Maybe people on EUNE seem to really hate Poland for some reason, but on EUW it has been months since I saw someone go "f*ckin french" on someone else. This might be surprising to people coming from places where blaming neighbor countries for their problems is daily routine for their politicians, but people in EU overwhelmingly don't care where you come from. "Polish" is pretty much synonymous with "bad" in the czech league of legends community. It's hilarious and it's not racist, because the Polish aren't a race, so all's good.
Same in Poland. Anyone with "CZ" added in their nickname is supposed to feed and verbal harrass and damn, that's so true.
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On December 15 2014 14:58 JonGalt wrote:I really have fun with and then spam the shit outta them until Regi calls me cause he wants to replace Dyrus.
A new challenger has appeared.
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On December 15 2014 11:43 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 11:41 Gahlo wrote:On December 15 2014 11:20 Sufficiency wrote:
I am enjoying Teambuilder quite a bit with the new patch. I can play w/e champion I want and it's very useful.
Irelia jungle gogogo. What is new about it? Nothing. Just that I feel more people are playing it with the new patch + season so queue time is shorter. Also, I like jungle Irelia. I'll try to play her a few more times. Although I do admit bashing nubs on Team Builder may not be very illustrative of her actual power in the jungle.
Your Elo is lowered if you play a "new" (eg. you can have 500 ranked games with it, if it's your first time in teambuilder it'll apply the reduction) champion / position (or role, can't remember which one) for the first 5 or so games. I crushed a lane (then more or less a game) playing MF despite being legit 200+ Elo lower when playing AD compared to my other roles, and lane was always simple in these games.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
On December 15 2014 17:45 739 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 17:23 Scip wrote:On December 15 2014 17:04 AetherZucchini wrote:On December 15 2014 14:56 Goumindong wrote:
2) No there are actually plenty of reasons. The most likely being the many languages and the fact that every nation hates every other nation there.
As much as I agree with some of your other points, boy this is uninformed. I've been playing on EUW for years and EUNE for months (when EUW suddenly decides that I've played too much for the day), and players' nationality is almost never brought up, even during the worst games. Maybe people on EUNE seem to really hate Poland for some reason, but on EUW it has been months since I saw someone go "f*ckin french" on someone else. This might be surprising to people coming from places where blaming neighbor countries for their problems is daily routine for their politicians, but people in EU overwhelmingly don't care where you come from. "Polish" is pretty much synonymous with "bad" in the czech league of legends community. It's hilarious and it's not racist, because the Polish aren't a race, so all's good. Same in Poland. Anyone with "CZ" added in their nickname is supposed to feed and verbal harrass and damn, that's so true.
LOL really? that's pretty epix
too bad we never played vs you during the national ESL matches or w/e that was, not while I was on the team anyway
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If double Morello becomes more of a thing, you can expect the 20% CDR to become a unique passive. The item is very gold efficient if you use all the stats, probably because it was relegated to a support item while everyone was getting Athene's. Now that Athene's is a shell of its former self, Morello is having it's time to shine.
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On December 15 2014 20:05 NovaTheFeared wrote:
If double Morello becomes more of a thing, you can expect the 20% CDR to become a unique passive. The item is very gold efficient if you use all the stats, probably because it was relegated to a support item while everyone was getting Athene's. Now that Athene's is a shell of its former self, Morello is having it's time to shine.
It is also an artifact of how mana regen stats scale now. Riot balanced itemization almost entirely around the idea of stopping early mid game season 4 Athenes "infinite" mana but scaling doesn't stop until super late.
My main, Lux, has starting mana regen of 6.0 but at level 18 it is 19.6. This means the value of percent base regen scales up almost 330% from level 1-18. Basically it is impossible to have strong regen at the old 13 min timing but late game 200% increase from double morello is bonkers.
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On December 15 2014 14:56 Goumindong wrote:
Yup indeed more dumb opinions from Thorin
1) No. Calling someone an asshole is not some European cultural idiom for "have a nice day"
Clearly you haven't visited Europe lately...
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