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On December 15 2014 23:45 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 23:43 krndandaman wrote: morello's is just batshit cost efficient. don't quote me on this, but isn't it the most cost efficent completed item in the game atm? according to wiki Banner is 103 to 193% gold efficient depending on the number of allies. Morello's is 130ish % efficient.
Is that the metric that best describes how to itemize on champions?
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On December 15 2014 23:48 Zdrastochye wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 23:45 Sufficiency wrote:On December 15 2014 23:43 krndandaman wrote: morello's is just batshit cost efficient. don't quote me on this, but isn't it the most cost efficent completed item in the game atm? according to wiki Banner is 103 to 193% gold efficient depending on the number of allies. Morello's is 130ish % efficient. Is that the metric that best describes how to itemize on champions?
No it is not. I am just saying blindly judging items because they are "gold efficient" may be misleading
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Theoretically gold efficient isn't a good example of who to buy it on.
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On December 15 2014 22:08 Ichtyornis wrote: Why do they keep doing complete reworks instead of just buffing numbers ? Esp. for Urgot. Because they have a vision of balance for the game. And certain types of champions cannot be shoehorned into that, so they either are permanently unbalanced, or you rework them.
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Either is Morello's. But people kept mentioning it.
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On December 16 2014 00:14 Sufficiency wrote: Either is Morello's. But people kept mentioning it. Except morello gives 3 stats that every ap with mana wants while banner gives stats that you don't need so it doesn't matter if it is gold efficient...
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Suff you still listed banner as an option for a defensive build on an AP carry, I'd like to know who you recommend it on.
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On December 16 2014 00:30 krndandaman wrote: morellos is the most practically cost efficient item in the game while giving the only stats ap mids care about. dunno why a discussion is even needed on this
I think its hard for people to accept that Athenes is a shit item after rushing it on nearly every Mage for 2 years. Combine with the fact that the only other item that used to get stacked was like old bloodthirstier before S3 changes. Morellos will get nerfed for sure though, riot doesn't like item stacking.
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On December 16 2014 00:53 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 00:30 krndandaman wrote: morellos is the most practically cost efficient item in the game while giving the only stats ap mids care about. dunno why a discussion is even needed on this I think its hard for people to accept that Athenes is a shit item after rushing it on nearly every Mage for 2 years. Combine with the fact that the only other item that used to get stacked was like old bloodthirstier before S3 changes. Morellos will get nerfed for sure though, riot doesn't like item stacking. I miss the season 2 worlds Athene's. 90 AP, what were they thinking
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On December 16 2014 00:27 Zdrastochye wrote: Suff you still listed banner as an option for a defensive build on an AP carry, I'd like to know who you recommend it on.
I don't recommend it. I listed it because it is gold efficient. Like Morello's.
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On December 16 2014 00:30 krndandaman wrote: morellos is the most practically cost efficient item in the game while giving the only stats ap mids care about. dunno why a discussion is even needed on this
Yeah it is a good item. I just have issues getting two of them while delaying a more defensive item.
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i hate how bad chalice is right now :/
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I dunno chalice still has uses, its niche, but it's still useful on kassadin or AP kog, And perhaps in the future we'll have more Mana surge style champions where they burn through mana quickly, and like to have large mana pools to compensate.
i have 0 issues with niche items existing, as long as they don't get reworked frequently enough that no one learns when their niche exists. and as long as we increase the item pool overall so players have real choices.
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On December 16 2014 01:33 PrinceXizor wrote: I dunno chalice still has uses, its niche, but it's still useful on kassadin or AP kog, And perhaps in the future we'll have more Mana surge style champions where they burn through mana quickly, and like to have large mana pools to compensate.
There are plenty of champions that burn through mana quickly. The problem is that those champions usually want larger mana pool from Tear or RoA instead of higher mana regen. Furthermore, while Athen can regenerate mana, it requires kills/assists which is not failsafe.
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No sufficiency, it regens 2% missing mana every 5 seconds or .4% missing mana a second, which means if you are building a large mana pool you regen more quickly the lower you get. the big boost on kill is nice, but definitely not the reason those type of champions would want the item. its a boost though for sure. its not a guaranteed buy every game, nor it is a core item for those champions, but the ability to stay redlined on mana and continue casting on cooldown is a useful thing.
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Example of champions that can fill let's say 3 roles? Top/jungle/support?
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