On December 04 2014 00:11 GettingIt wrote:
I haven't even seen WW this season what is so good about him now? Is it simply that he takes little damage from doing camps ?

sort of. lane ww got broken with devourers. jungle ww is strong since the OP season 3 junglers like Lee sin/Kha are slightly less strong so ww has less competition

LaNague

Germany9118 Posts

December 04 2014 01:37 GMT

#1103

im still pissed off that Riot completely changes everything every year.

I didnt like it last year and i think this is the year i stop since this might as well be a different game.

Frolossus

United States4779 Posts

December 04 2014 02:04 GMT

#1104

On December 04 2014 10:37 LaNague wrote:
im still pissed off that Riot completely changes everything every year.

I didnt like it last year and i think this is the year i stop since this might as well be a different game.

nah
it seems more like they spend each year gradually rollback the initial changes they made in season 2

cLutZ

United States19574 Posts

December 04 2014 02:14 GMT

#1105

On December 04 2014 09:59 droserin wrote:

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On December 04 2014 09:25 cLutZ wrote:

On December 04 2014 09:09 the p00n wrote:
I think Fiora is pretty strong right now, less jungle pressure means that her lack of escapes matter less and the elixir of wrath is pretty strong on her due to the massive amount of leech you get. Went 24-5-9 in a ranked master tier game and even got a pentakill without snowballing from lane (game is here).

Additionally the 3 highest winrate champions are junglers (ww/panth/fidd) whereas the overwhelming majority of other junglers have below 50% winrate (diamond+ statistics that is but probably isn't much different in the hell elos). So far for 'diversifying' the jungle I guess. Trailblazers is also getting nerfed (or well, there is a nerf on the PBE right now)... I'd rather just have them buff other stuff up to the level of the strong stuff instead of nerfing strong stuff to the level of shitty stuff.

Still confused why people (including Riot) expected the changes to diversify the jungle. Harder jungle monsters = fewer viable junglers. More jungle items = fewer optimal junglers. S3 and S4 taught us this. The best way to diversify the jungle is to make it really easy (you can make it take a long time, but if you do so it has to be about equally long for everyone) to clear, but make the camps fairly far away from the lanes.

This way the tradeoff is time spent clearing vs. time spent ganking. The issue with S2 was not the jungle being too easy (perhaps mid could take wraiths/wolves too quickly). It was that denying EXP/gold from enemy laners was effective even with a crappy gank, that the jungle provided too little gold for junglers, and that oracles was really expensive, but necessary (and set you terribly behind if you died with it).

Problem 1 was partially addressed with other changes to lane minions, 2 was fixed (kinda), 3 was removed entirely, and the laners taxing junglers was not really fixed anyways, but probably could have, and should have, been fixed by moving the camps away from the lanes (which would have helped fix #1 as well).

There is a difference between "this champion can clear the jungle" and "this champion is a good jungler". Making it possible for more champions to clear doesn't mean that there are more good junglers. The problem was that the jungle was so easy to clear that the only thing that really determined if a champion was a good jungler or not was how good their ganks were. The idea is to make it so that having sustain or not is an tradeoff that you have to consider when choosing a jungler. Of course, there are champions like Elise who have good sustain and ganks, so I'm not sure how well it will work out.

Objectively false depiction of the S2 jungle. Amumu, Lee, Skarner, Mundo, Maokai, Shyvana, Cho Gath, Nocturne, Shen, Xin, and Udyr were all played during the S2 World Championship knockout stages. Modern Elise, Kha6, Eve, and Rengar probably also could have been shoehorned into it if they existed back then (maybe knocking out a few that are on the list).

When you make clearing meaningless you dont make ganking the only thing matter, you just make PVE not matter. Instead you pick your jungler based on ganking, teamfighting, skirmishing, dragon control, etc. You can choose between ganking and powerfarming at any point of the game (and the balance team should focus on making them having similar expected value).

Complete

United States1864 Posts

December 04 2014 03:48 GMT

#1106

On December 04 2014 10:05 Sufficiency wrote:
IMO, the biggest change of S5 jungle is not the 4 jungle items + enchantment. The biggest change is the removal of Spirit Stone.

that's the same change you nerd.

Lord Tolkien

United States12083 Posts

December 04 2014 04:40 GMT

#1107

This is hilarious.

inb4 i summon him to GD once more.

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lastshadow, lastshadow, lastshadow

Sponkz

Denmark4564 Posts

December 04 2014 04:44 GMT

#1108

On December 04 2014 13:40 Lord Tolkien wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TArVoK8hvbI

This is hilarious.

inb4 i summon him to GD once more.

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lastshadow, lastshadow, lastshadow

and inb4 i tell him to fuck off gently

FinestHour

United States18466 Posts

December 04 2014 04:55 GMT

#1109

32,000 viewers u just JELLY AF

Lmui

Canada6223 Posts

December 04 2014 05:02 GMT

#1110

I kinda wish I had a bronze/silver or low gold account. I want to play there for a few weeks and see just how terrible it is down there. I don't even understand 3/4 of the decision making in that video and LS helps about as much as he's hurting >.<

krndandaman

Mozambique16569 Posts

December 04 2014 05:20 GMT

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Canada12016 Posts

December 04 2014 05:21 GMT

#1112

Did ls say "now his mana has attacked" or something?...

739

Bearded Elder29904 Posts

December 04 2014 06:49 GMT

#1113

Best runes for Taric nowadays? I think I'm gonna start playing him again, since they're planning rework on him pretty soon (I think and I hope as it was mentioned somewhere on surrat20). Are those standard supp runes? Also what do we max? R>Q/W>E ? Q/W depends on how the lane is going?

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krndandaman

Mozambique16569 Posts

December 04 2014 07:00 GMT

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United States1864 Posts

December 04 2014 08:52 GMT

#1115

Idk it's been a while since I played taric (basically since they reworked him), but it always seems that his combo to stun someone and them run up and W them doesn't even work because his stun is so low at lvl 1...

739

Bearded Elder29904 Posts

December 04 2014 09:08 GMT

#1116

Same here, been a while when I've played Taric for the last time but iirc, if he has a nice ADC, he can trade/all-in pretty damn well once he hits 6.

Bulgaria4157 Posts

December 04 2014 11:41 GMT

#1117

On December 04 2014 17:52 Complete wrote:
Idk it's been a while since I played taric (basically since they reworked him), but it always seems that his combo to stun someone and them run up and W them doesn't even work because his stun is so low at lvl 1...

Yeah, Taric only works defensively when enemies dive you. If your jungler is a good ganker he can assist to secure the kill.
Perhaps, the only thing Taric excels in is that he is probably the most tanky support with several items.

RouaF

France4121 Posts

December 04 2014 11:57 GMT

#1118

Same here. I stopped playing for this reason. Pre-season is so silly it's not even funny. The current state of the game reminds me of pre-S3 aka league of black cleavers. Thankfully it coincides with my alpha hots access

Alaric

France45622 Posts

December 04 2014 12:12 GMT

#1119

Eh, Thresh's probably tankier after awhile, and Braum whenever he has enough CDR. Taric has a heal but he needs CDR, fuckton of mana regen, and tanky stats before he can actually outshine them because of how long his cooldowns and how high his mana costs are. It felt terrible last time I played him, really frustating.

Also if people are comparing the current pre-season to league of black cleavers... wtf. Apart from a few fringe things like WW (permabanned anyway), and towers dying too quickly (but still being annoying as hell to dive) this one's really tame. Are you sure you even played preseason s3? Even targon's spam on everyone was wilder than this preseason.