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On December 04 2014 00:21 Seuss wrote:
Granted the Double Smite change is tooltip-only at the moment, but still.

Just off the top of my head here's a bunch of consequences of the mechanic:

• It becomes much, much easier for laners to take Smite and quickly clear a small camp for fast level 2.
  
• 2 * Chilling Smite deals 80% of Ignite's damage, takes 90 fewer seconds to charge, slows for 4 seconds, and can be split between targets or used at shorter intervals if necessary.
  
• 2 * Challenging Smite is 12 seconds of dueling supremacy.
  
• Spell Vamp champions can use Double Smite to heal for 800+ in an instant.
  
• If you thought the objective-control of multi-Smite teams was ridiculous before...

Either there are going to be huge restrictions on this or it's never going live.

On December 04 2014 03:40 Kinie wrote:
Were any of the OGN preseason games worth watching?

Also, has any other jungles been having MP sustain issues since new jungle came out? Like I'm trying to use the not OP junglers atm (WW, Panth, and Fiddles) because they are banned, and I seem to do ok HP-wise after the first back, but I'm running out of MP, or are so low that I can't gank lanes unless I sit and wait for 10-20s to let natural regen catch me up.

On December 04 2014 03:40 Kinie wrote:
Were any of the OGN preseason games worth watching?

Also, has any other jungles been having MP sustain issues since new jungle came out? Like I'm trying to use the not OP junglers atm (WW, Panth, and Fiddles) because they are banned, and I seem to do ok HP-wise after the first back, but I'm running out of MP, or are so low that I can't gank lanes unless I sit and wait for 10-20s to let natural regen catch me up.

On December 04 2014 09:09 the p00n wrote:
I think Fiora is pretty strong right now, less jungle pressure means that her lack of escapes matter less and the elixir of wrath is pretty strong on her due to the massive amount of leech you get. Went 24-5-9 in a ranked master tier game and even got a pentakill without snowballing from lane (game is here).

Additionally the 3 highest winrate champions are junglers (ww/panth/fidd) whereas the overwhelming majority of other junglers have below 50% winrate (diamond+ statistics that is but probably isn't much different in the hell elos). So far for 'diversifying' the jungle I guess. Trailblazers is also getting nerfed (or well, there is a nerf on the PBE right now)... I'd rather just have them buff other stuff up to the level of the strong stuff instead of nerfing strong stuff to the level of shitty stuff.

On December 04 2014 09:25 cLutZ wrote:


Still confused why people (including Riot) expected the changes to diversify the jungle. Harder jungle monsters = fewer viable junglers. More jungle items = fewer optimal junglers. S3 and S4 taught us this. The best way to diversify the jungle is to make it really easy (you can make it take a long time, but if you do so it has to be about equally long for everyone) to clear, but make the camps fairly far away from the lanes.

This way the tradeoff is time spent clearing vs. time spent ganking. The issue with S2 was not the jungle being too easy (perhaps mid could take wraiths/wolves too quickly). It was that denying EXP/gold from enemy laners was effective even with a crappy gank, that the jungle provided too little gold for junglers, and that oracles was really expensive, but necessary (and set you terribly behind if you died with it).

Problem 1 was partially addressed with other changes to lane minions, 2 was fixed (kinda), 3 was removed entirely, and the laners taxing junglers was not really fixed anyways, but probably could have, and should have, been fixed by moving the camps away from the lanes (which would have helped fix #1 as well).