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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 04 2014 01:05 GMT
#1101
IMO, the biggest change of S5 jungle is not the 4 jungle items + enchantment. The biggest change is the removal of Spirit Stone.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
December 04 2014 01:27 GMT
#1102
On December 04 2014 00:11 GettingIt wrote:
I haven't even seen WW this season what is so good about him now? Is it simply that he takes little damage from doing camps ?

sort of. lane ww got broken with devourers. jungle ww is strong since the OP season 3 junglers like Lee sin/Kha are slightly less strong so ww has less competition
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
December 04 2014 01:37 GMT
#1103
im still pissed off that Riot completely changes everything every year.

I didnt like it last year and i think this is the year i stop since this might as well be a different game.
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
December 04 2014 02:04 GMT
#1104
On December 04 2014 10:37 LaNague wrote:
im still pissed off that Riot completely changes everything every year.

I didnt like it last year and i think this is the year i stop since this might as well be a different game.

nah
it seems more like they spend each year gradually rollback the initial changes they made in season 2
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
December 04 2014 02:14 GMT
#1105
On December 04 2014 09:59 droserin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2014 09:25 cLutZ wrote:
On December 04 2014 09:09 the p00n wrote:
I think Fiora is pretty strong right now, less jungle pressure means that her lack of escapes matter less and the elixir of wrath is pretty strong on her due to the massive amount of leech you get. Went 24-5-9 in a ranked master tier game and even got a pentakill without snowballing from lane (game is here).

Additionally the 3 highest winrate champions are junglers (ww/panth/fidd) whereas the overwhelming majority of other junglers have below 50% winrate (diamond+ statistics that is but probably isn't much different in the hell elos). So far for 'diversifying' the jungle I guess. Trailblazers is also getting nerfed (or well, there is a nerf on the PBE right now)... I'd rather just have them buff other stuff up to the level of the strong stuff instead of nerfing strong stuff to the level of shitty stuff.


Still confused why people (including Riot) expected the changes to diversify the jungle. Harder jungle monsters = fewer viable junglers. More jungle items = fewer optimal junglers. S3 and S4 taught us this. The best way to diversify the jungle is to make it really easy (you can make it take a long time, but if you do so it has to be about equally long for everyone) to clear, but make the camps fairly far away from the lanes.

This way the tradeoff is time spent clearing vs. time spent ganking. The issue with S2 was not the jungle being too easy (perhaps mid could take wraiths/wolves too quickly). It was that denying EXP/gold from enemy laners was effective even with a crappy gank, that the jungle provided too little gold for junglers, and that oracles was really expensive, but necessary (and set you terribly behind if you died with it).

Problem 1 was partially addressed with other changes to lane minions, 2 was fixed (kinda), 3 was removed entirely, and the laners taxing junglers was not really fixed anyways, but probably could have, and should have, been fixed by moving the camps away from the lanes (which would have helped fix #1 as well).

There is a difference between "this champion can clear the jungle" and "this champion is a good jungler". Making it possible for more champions to clear doesn't mean that there are more good junglers. The problem was that the jungle was so easy to clear that the only thing that really determined if a champion was a good jungler or not was how good their ganks were. The idea is to make it so that having sustain or not is an tradeoff that you have to consider when choosing a jungler. Of course, there are champions like Elise who have good sustain and ganks, so I'm not sure how well it will work out.


Objectively false depiction of the S2 jungle. Amumu, Lee, Skarner, Mundo, Maokai, Shyvana, Cho Gath, Nocturne, Shen, Xin, and Udyr were all played during the S2 World Championship knockout stages. Modern Elise, Kha6, Eve, and Rengar probably also could have been shoehorned into it if they existed back then (maybe knocking out a few that are on the list).

When you make clearing meaningless you dont make ganking the only thing matter, you just make PVE not matter. Instead you pick your jungler based on ganking, teamfighting, skirmishing, dragon control, etc. You can choose between ganking and powerfarming at any point of the game (and the balance team should focus on making them having similar expected value).
Freeeeeeedom
Complete
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1864 Posts
December 04 2014 03:48 GMT
#1106
On December 04 2014 10:05 Sufficiency wrote:
IMO, the biggest change of S5 jungle is not the 4 jungle items + enchantment. The biggest change is the removal of Spirit Stone.

that's the same change you nerd.
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
December 04 2014 04:40 GMT
#1107


This is hilarious.

inb4 i summon him to GD once more.

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lastshadow, lastshadow, lastshadow
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
December 04 2014 04:44 GMT
#1108
On December 04 2014 13:40 Lord Tolkien wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TArVoK8hvbI

This is hilarious.

inb4 i summon him to GD once more.

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lastshadow, lastshadow, lastshadow



and inb4 i tell him to fuck off gently
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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
December 04 2014 04:55 GMT
#1109
32,000 viewers u just JELLY AF
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6219 Posts
December 04 2014 05:02 GMT
#1110
I kinda wish I had a bronze/silver or low gold account. I want to play there for a few weeks and see just how terrible it is down there. I don't even understand 3/4 of the decision making in that video and LS helps about as much as he's hurting >.<
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
December 04 2014 05:20 GMT
#1111
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Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
December 04 2014 05:21 GMT
#1112
Did ls say "now his mana has attacked" or something?...
Bronze player stuck in platinum
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-04 06:53:26
December 04 2014 06:49 GMT
#1113
Best runes for Taric nowadays? I think I'm gonna start playing him again, since they're planning rework on him pretty soon (I think and I hope as it was mentioned somewhere on surrat20). Are those standard supp runes? Also what do we max? R>Q/W>E ? Q/W depends on how the lane is going?

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krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
December 04 2014 07:00 GMT
#1114
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Complete
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1864 Posts
December 04 2014 08:52 GMT
#1115
Idk it's been a while since I played taric (basically since they reworked him), but it always seems that his combo to stun someone and them run up and W them doesn't even work because his stun is so low at lvl 1...
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
December 04 2014 09:08 GMT
#1116
Same here, been a while when I've played Taric for the last time but iirc, if he has a nice ADC, he can trade/all-in pretty damn well once he hits 6.
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4132 Posts
December 04 2014 11:41 GMT
#1117
On December 04 2014 17:52 Complete wrote:
Idk it's been a while since I played taric (basically since they reworked him), but it always seems that his combo to stun someone and them run up and W them doesn't even work because his stun is so low at lvl 1...

Yeah, Taric only works defensively when enemies dive you. If your jungler is a good ganker he can assist to secure the kill.
Perhaps, the only thing Taric excels in is that he is probably the most tanky support with several items.
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4120 Posts
December 04 2014 11:57 GMT
#1118
On December 04 2014 10:37 LaNague wrote:
im still pissed off that Riot completely changes everything every year.

I didnt like it last year and i think this is the year i stop since this might as well be a different game.

Same here. I stopped playing for this reason. Pre-season is so silly it's not even funny. The current state of the game reminds me of pre-S3 aka league of black cleavers. Thankfully it coincides with my alpha hots access
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-04 12:14:33
December 04 2014 12:12 GMT
#1119
Eh, Thresh's probably tankier after awhile, and Braum whenever he has enough CDR. Taric has a heal but he needs CDR, fuckton of mana regen, and tanky stats before he can actually outshine them because of how long his cooldowns and how high his mana costs are. It felt terrible last time I played him, really frustating.

Also if people are comparing the current pre-season to league of black cleavers... wtf. Apart from a few fringe things like WW (permabanned anyway), and towers dying too quickly (but still being annoying as hell to dive) this one's really tame. Are you sure you even played preseason s3? Even targon's spam on everyone was wilder than this preseason.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
December 04 2014 13:22 GMT
#1120
Yeah srsly this preseason is very much like s4, only noticeable difference besides the SR update is if you're jungling.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
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