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On November 07 2014 06:39 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2014 06:09 lilwisper wrote:On November 07 2014 05:27 PrinceXizor wrote:On November 07 2014 04:53 Alzadar wrote:
Surely that's exactly what an organisation like KeSPA exists to combat? Well. no KeSPA exists for the sponsors. But yes "real" sports are based on the franchise. but they also have players unions, and guaranteed minimum contracts, trades, more than 5 man teams. ect. also most franchise based sports have leagues with 30+ teams. not 8-10. To be fair most professional sports leagues have been around for decades with some nearing the century mark. They had time to grow to those 30+ slots. I can see esports growing to that level in time. Monte seems to think big companies in the west will start investing in esports next year, given how much buzz S4WC caused.
thats what we said a year ago with TI3 and Mastercard's US twitter talking about wanting to sponsor a dota league. its always been next year. but we need wealthy people to invest in teams. because there is little incentive with how Riot does LCS to create a new team for MANY businessmen. They don't get any market share of the league, they dont get to set up shop in a media market of their choice, everything is in socal. its not a very friendly position with the way its set up now. MLG understood the value of hitting different media markets. Riot's been pushing online only real hard. with riot's ownership of player images its difficult to even market your own team effectively outside of riot approved manners. the box that LCS came in is a little too small for the growth the scene needs to see to get past the point its at now.
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Now I know why Shook, Kou and Co. are so toxic. The shit you take when you jungle on EUW is unbelievable. Every jungle main has my deepest respect.
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On November 07 2014 07:21 Kenpark wrote:
Now I know why Shook, Kou and Co. are so toxic. The shit you take when you jungle on EUW is unbelievable. Every jungle main has my deepest respect.
Lol. You either go toxic or you learn to tune it out.
Had a riven go 0/7 toplane once and tell me not to show my face in ranked until i learnt how to "exploit malphite" by "camping him"
EU jungle best jungle
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On November 07 2014 07:29 Capped wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2014 07:21 Kenpark wrote:
Now I know why Shook, Kou and Co. are so toxic. The shit you take when you jungle on EUW is unbelievable. Every jungle main has my deepest respect. Lol. You either go toxic or you learn to tune it out. Had a riven go 0/7 toplane once and tell me not to show my face in ranked until i learnt how to "exploit malphite" by "camping him" EU jungle best jungle
All the shit EU junglers get, NA junglers dish out to laners so it balances out.
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On November 07 2014 07:37 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2014 07:29 Capped wrote:On November 07 2014 07:21 Kenpark wrote:
Now I know why Shook, Kou and Co. are so toxic. The shit you take when you jungle on EUW is unbelievable. Every jungle main has my deepest respect. Lol. You either go toxic or you learn to tune it out. Had a riven go 0/7 toplane once and tell me not to show my face in ranked until i learnt how to "exploit malphite" by "camping him" EU jungle best jungle All the shit EU junglers get, NA junglers dish out to laners so it balances out.
as an NA jungler I get a fair bit of shit from laners when they lose lane as well.
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On November 07 2014 07:40 DystopiaX wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2014 07:37 PrinceXizor wrote:On November 07 2014 07:29 Capped wrote:On November 07 2014 07:21 Kenpark wrote:
Now I know why Shook, Kou and Co. are so toxic. The shit you take when you jungle on EUW is unbelievable. Every jungle main has my deepest respect. Lol. You either go toxic or you learn to tune it out. Had a riven go 0/7 toplane once and tell me not to show my face in ranked until i learnt how to "exploit malphite" by "camping him" EU jungle best jungle All the shit EU junglers get, NA junglers dish out to laners so it balances out. as an NA jungler I get a fair bit of shit from laners when they lose lane as well.
Yeah, but you aren't one of the Trick2G impersonators that exist all the way from bronze to diamond. oof.
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On November 07 2014 06:45 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2014 06:39 Gahlo wrote:On November 07 2014 06:09 lilwisper wrote:On November 07 2014 05:27 PrinceXizor wrote:On November 07 2014 04:53 Alzadar wrote:
Surely that's exactly what an organisation like KeSPA exists to combat? Well. no KeSPA exists for the sponsors. But yes "real" sports are based on the franchise. but they also have players unions, and guaranteed minimum contracts, trades, more than 5 man teams. ect. also most franchise based sports have leagues with 30+ teams. not 8-10. To be fair most professional sports leagues have been around for decades with some nearing the century mark. They had time to grow to those 30+ slots. I can see esports growing to that level in time. Monte seems to think big companies in the west will start investing in esports next year, given how much buzz S4WC caused. thats what we said a year ago with TI3 and Mastercard's US twitter talking about wanting to sponsor a dota league. its always been next year. but we need wealthy people to invest in teams. because there is little incentive with how Riot does LCS to create a new team for MANY businessmen. They don't get any market share of the league, they dont get to set up shop in a media market of their choice, everything is in socal. its not a very friendly position with the way its set up now. MLG understood the value of hitting different media markets. Riot's been pushing online only real hard. with riot's ownership of player images its difficult to even market your own team effectively outside of riot approved manners. the box that LCS came in is a little too small for the growth the scene needs to see to get past the point its at now.
You're right. AmEx, Coke, Nissan, and Qualcomm all didn't care. Nobody said they had to go full Korean mode and single sponsor a team, just that non-"gamer" companies would start investing more than they had in the past.
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Gahlo. plz. we were talking about creating more teams. not just random title sponsors for LCS. If you are going to contribute at least read what people are discussing first because trying to be sarcastic and witty isnt working out.
Anyone else have the problem of loading up League, staring at it for a few minutes then closing it because you aren't really going to learn anything from playing until the preseason changes hit?
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On November 07 2014 07:21 Kenpark wrote:
Now I know why Shook, Kou and Co. are so toxic. The shit you take when you jungle on EUW is unbelievable. Every jungle main has my deepest respect.
Unless you ignore everyone if you play on euwest you will get flamed.
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Euw is pretty bad, to avoid tilting I just automaticslly set ignore on anyone the first time they say something dickish.
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On November 07 2014 07:57 PrinceXizor wrote:
Gahlo. plz. we were talking about creating more teams. not just random title sponsors for LCS. If you are going to contribute at least read what people are discussing first because trying to be sarcastic and witty isnt working out.
How do you think the BW kespa teams came into being? 2nd gen(idk if that nomenclature would be right) orgs like Jin Air are a the exception to the norm. How do you think CJ ended up with Blaze/Frost from the MiG ancestry? How do you think Samsung got Blue/White from MVP? Even debating the West to do the "same" thing in team creation that Korea didn't/doesn't always do is pretty dumb.
Please, name change to CourtJesterXizor because every time you open your proverbial mouth you look like a fool.
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Damn. you really didn't go back and read even after all that huh. Okay. its really not acceptable to act like that you know.
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You know this got me to wonder why people flame so much for comments
In other games if people insult me I really don't care, but this one just turns the afterburners on
I've gotten upset and at other games and people in other games, but this is the only one to make me rage
Why does that one tiny comment turn into such a shitstorm?
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By the way, no. Players in sports don't have minimum contracts and players unions within teams, at least not in NA, that is done at the league level the exact same way it is in LCS and getting implemented in Korea for S5.
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On November 07 2014 08:20 Gahlo wrote:
Please, name change to CourtJesterXizor because every time you open your proverbial mouth you look like a fool.
It'd be more accurate to rename him CaseyNelson.
Though I'd be pretty surprised if there are enough LoL subforumers who still remember what that's a reference to.
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On November 07 2014 08:27 Gahlo wrote:
By the way, no. Players in sports don't have minimum contracts and players unions within teams, at least not in NA, that is done at the league level the exact same way it is in LCS and getting implemented in Korea for S5.
it baffles me how you have come this far with seemingly being unable to actually figure out what people are saying when you read it. absolutely baffles me. you have to have that ability and just be choosing not to use it, or deliberately misrepresenting yourself just to try to get a rise out of me.
i never said that, nor did anyone else gahlo. plz.
and seriously. no its not done the exact same way in LCS as it is in the NFL/NBA/NHL/MLB
None of those organizations pay the players directly.
i'd recommend not joining in a discussion if you can't figure out what is being discussed. ask questions next time before jumping in so you don't seem so silly.
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You're so close gahlo, almost at the point. keep trying buddy. just barely keep missing it.
ahhh you're close enough i'll give you a hint but i'll spoiler it in case you think you have it without help.
+ Show Spoiler +but they also have players unions, and guaranteed minimum contracts, trades, more than 5 man teams. ect. also most franchise based sports have leagues with 30+ teams. not 8-10. so if player is mistreated by team A they have tons of options if they aren't just terrible players and can be traded away. many things that allow a healthy environment for players are explicitly prohibited by riot or avoided due to the way those contracts function. players get most of their income from non-team salary as well. Not to mention how individual player sponsorships/endorsements are discouraged by riot and its LCS sponsors getting to use your image for free. we need wealthy people to invest in teams. because there is little incentive with how Riot does LCS to create a new team for MANY businessmen. They don't get any market share of the league, they dont get to set up shop in a media market of their choice, everything is in socal. its not a very friendly position with the way its set up now. MLG understood the value of hitting different media markets. Riot's been pushing online only real hard. with riot's ownership of player images its difficult to even market your own team effectively outside of riot approved manners. the box that LCS came in is a little too small for the growth the scene needs to see to get past the point its at now.
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On November 07 2014 05:27 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2014 04:53 Alzadar wrote:
Surely that's exactly what an organisation like KeSPA exists to combat? Well. no KeSPA exists for the sponsors. But yes "real" sports are based on the franchise. but they also have players unions, and guaranteed minimum contracts, trades, more than 5 man teams. ect. also most franchise based sports have leagues with 30+ teams. not 8-10. so if player is mistreated by team A they have tons of options if they aren't just terrible players and can be traded away. many things that allow a healthy environment for players are explicitly prohibited by riot or avoided due to the way those contracts function. players get most of their income from non-team salary as well. Not to mention how individual player sponsorships/endorsements are discouraged by riot and its LCS sponsors getting to use your image for free. Show nested quote +On November 07 2014 05:17 Goumindong wrote:
Real sports were incredibly shitty to their players without player unions. The fact that players can leave for greener pastures at all is a really good thing and allows avenues for players to not be exploited nearly as bad. Basically, if professional teams who own spots can't keep players they will have to pay players more until they can (absent collusion)
The only way i see the problem working itself out, is if one organization umbrella's its way into 3-4 slots by buying all disgruntled players and reorganizing them into other teams under a "different" owner.like alliance/EG. eventually somethign would have to be done about it.
PX, pls. I know you spout so much shit that you have trouble remembering it or intentionally forget because the chronic buildup of stupid literally gives you shit for brains, but this wasn't too far back that it should have leaked out your ears.
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You need to take a break man. you're getting too upset over not being able to figure it out. its okay just read my hint buddy. Please don't ruin discussion just because you dislike me. it derails the thread for everyone.
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