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krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
October 21 2014 13:23 GMT
#1601
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 21 2014 13:32 GMT
#1602
At 6 items Jax will have BotRK and Triforce. If you stun him and he jumps to you then he doesn't need E, he'll just use the Rage passive to keep up with you (because you want to run, remember? So you have less MS since you're not hitting him).
If you just auto him with 150 AD when he has just as much armour he'll shrug it off after hitting a minion twice.

People make me sad. Riven rages at me all game saying he wrote in champ select that he'd need a lot of help against Maokai (no shit, you take a runepage with CDR blues and 0 MR). But then why didn't he read my warning that Rammus would camp, and never bought any wards?
Then again noone read it and I need smite/TP and urf mode on to be able to help when all 3 lanes are getting their poo-poo shoved in.
Rammus wouldn't work nearly as well if people had some kind of common sense, that game's warding was not even what I saw in Silver. ._. Holidays power.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
October 21 2014 13:40 GMT
#1603
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ItsFunToLose
Profile Joined December 2010
United States776 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-21 13:58:43
October 21 2014 13:58 GMT
#1604
On October 21 2014 22:40 krndandaman wrote:
refer to my previous post as you guys can't seem to believe irelia can win a duel vs jax late game. open invitation to test it out with me. either you guys have been playing with retarded irelias or I have been playing with retarded jax's.


im not sure how you think a kit based on auto attacking wins against a champion with 2 seconds of invulnerability vs auto attacks where fights end faster and 2 seconds becomes an eternity as both champs approach 6 items.
"skillshots are inherently out of your control whether they hit or not" -PrinceXizor
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
October 21 2014 14:00 GMT
#1605
I play Irelia but I wouldn't trust myself to duel a Jax late in the game on equal gold. Damage is more mixed, Counter-Strike is godly for duelling, after Hiten Style ends you won't really hurt much... but Jax keeps trucking the same.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 21 2014 14:01 GMT
#1606
Salty 1v1 when?
liftlift > tsm
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-21 14:10:57
October 21 2014 14:04 GMT
#1607
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 21 2014 14:14 GMT
#1608
Depends how your consider the builds too. If you just want to tailor a 1v1 build, Jax can go Triforce/BotRK/Tabi (or mercs to reduce the stun duration)/Warmogs/FH/Randuin's, maybe sub in a thornmail somewhere. He wouldn't do that unless against an all-physical team, in a normal game.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
October 21 2014 14:15 GMT
#1609
Why don't we just call both Irelia and Jax strong and leave it at that? No need for dad fighting involved.
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krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
October 21 2014 14:17 GMT
#1610
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Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
October 21 2014 14:24 GMT
#1611
Yeah but you're just opening yourself up to criticism on your own play rather than the limitations of certain characters. Like, what if you 1v1ed someone much better than you? How would it look? What if you fought someone much worse? Practical applications don't happen as cleanly as you think they might.
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krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
October 21 2014 14:26 GMT
#1612
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Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
October 21 2014 14:32 GMT
#1613
And if you lose all your duels due to whatever you've invalidated your argument? I'm a fan of putting math into the game and testing hypotheses out and all that, but hinging your entire argument on how you play said champion isn't entirely logical to me. But hey! What do I know? Go get 'em, champ.
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Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-21 14:41:31
October 21 2014 14:40 GMT
#1614
TBH I don't find it hard at all to envisage scenarios where Teemo duels Pantheon on even gold. As long as you don't die to initial burst while stunned, you can kite the shit out of him with good mushrooms and Gunblade/BotRK usage.

Actually this is a ridiculous statement:
On October 21 2014 23:26 krndandaman wrote:
I'm quite sure a bronze pantheon can still beat up to a plat teemo in a duel.

I am the Town Medic.
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
October 21 2014 14:44 GMT
#1615
Jax doesn't need to outplay to win this matchup. Right click, mash q and w and use e whenever irelia uses w. Irelia can juke her ass off, but the damage is dealt in melee and unless we're talking a 6 item 800 stack nasus jax is gonna win that every time.

Ofc this is in a scenario where it's kill or lose, and that's not really how this game works.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
October 21 2014 14:45 GMT
#1616
On October 21 2014 17:31 Vanka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2014 17:21 Alaric wrote:
I always feel weird thinking about Graves' passive. Does it really make that big of an impact in teamfights? Until you're higher level (and you come from a duo lane), you don't gain that much in the few seconds you may be able to deal damage until someone jumps on you. Worst, if you get engaged on you'll have at best 3 stacks while you eat the frontloaded burst of the enemy team. Apart from, say, Zed, there aren't that many champions that don't circumvent the stacking by just dealing most of their damage early on.
And it's not a good clean-up mechanic either because 30 armour won't make up for his short range and low base AS against other marksmen or clean-up champs. So I end up wondering if it really makes that big a difference.


It‘s one of the things that is super oppressive when you're ahead, because now you have a fed adc who's also tanky (especially with life steal), but doesn't do much when you're behind

EDIT: With new soraka you max...starcall?

I think you max W? Cause the heal on Q scales with levels in W for some reason
Bronze player stuck in platinum
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-21 14:58:08
October 21 2014 14:47 GMT
#1617
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Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
October 21 2014 15:11 GMT
#1618
All your posts seem to read:

tl:dr fite me
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krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
October 21 2014 15:12 GMT
#1619
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Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
October 21 2014 15:13 GMT
#1620
It doesn't make all that much sense to compare Irelia's lategame to Fiddlesticks and co., the roles they play are so completely different.
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