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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
Its true that the solution that had come up was mana, but this is irrespective of the axiom and simply representative of the idea that the mobility skill use should present limits on the use of the rest of the kit. Emphasis: Read the fucking posts before you reply. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On October 16 2014 03:58 Scip wrote: you just said nobody explicitly said that the cost has to be associated with the ability when JazzVortical clearly stated that twice, I am not the one who needs to learn to read Suppose we make Ashe arrow on a zero second CD with zero mana cost. We can totally balance this champion right? | ||
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nobodywonder
United States848 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On October 16 2014 04:06 Goumindong wrote: Suppose we make Ashe arrow on a zero second CD with zero mana cost. We can totally balance this champion right? Well if other people had zero CD zero mana cost blink or some other ridiculous abilities then yea it would make a balanced champion. Can't look at skills in a vacuum when talking about balance. | ||
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nobodywonder
United States848 Posts
On October 16 2014 04:09 Numy wrote: Well if other people had zero CD zero mana cost blink or some other ridiculous abilities than yea it would make a balanced champion. Can't look at skills in a vacuum when talking about balance. Akali, 3 dashes w/ close to zero cd (1-2 cd dependin on rank). Still balanced, relatively, because of bad pre-6 and stuff. | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On October 16 2014 04:09 Numy wrote: Well if other people had zero CD zero mana cost blink or some other ridiculous abilities than yea it would make a balanced champion. Can't look at skills in a vacuum when talking about balance. Its usually understood that we are always talking about the context of the current game. The point is that there surely exist abilities that we cannot balance for. That must have costs associated with themselves or have their power reduced in order to be balanceable. That you cannot create a workable champion around an ability that is too powerful, either they must be so hilariously weak as to be worthless, or the abilities strength will dominate the game. Thus, the idea, that skills have no evaluation of themselves as skills is incorrect. They must, in order for us to be able to create balanced champions. They must, in order for us to be able to construct champions that are interesting to play against and with. How many champions have zero cost blinks or dashes? Lucian, AAtrox, Riven, and Rengar(situational), Maybe Akali. How many of these champions necessitate the dash in order to be effective in their primary role? AAtrox, Riven, Rengar, Akali. How many of these champions are ranged? Lucian | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On October 16 2014 04:23 TheYango wrote: Katarina? Nidalee? You're right. I forgot about Katarina. Katarina is another melee that requires the dash. Though i did not think that they removed the mana costs from Nid's cougar form. No wonder everyone hates that champion | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On October 16 2014 04:29 iCanada wrote: Lee Sin x 2. Lee sin has energy costs on both of his dashes. Edit: Zed likewise has an energy cost on his blink | ||
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JSH
United States4109 Posts
On October 16 2014 04:28 Goumindong wrote: You're right. I forgot about Katarina. Katarina is another melee that requires the dash. Though i did not think that they removed the mana costs from Nid's cougar form. No wonder everyone hates that champion Pretty sure Nid doesn't have mana cost in cougar form Also don't forget Elise Kinda, with rappel and Q Also don't forget Yasuo :V | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On October 16 2014 04:30 Goumindong wrote: Lee sin has energy costs on both of his dashes. So does Akali. He can still Q Q W whenever without energy being an issue. But afterwards he is OOE unless he attacks. I don't think Lee is really gated, if you are auto attacking like you should be regardless you'll never go ooe. | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On October 16 2014 04:33 iCanada wrote: So does Akali. He can still Q Q W whenever without energy being an issue. But afterwards he is OOE unless he attacks. I don't think Lee is really gated, if you are auto attacking like you should be regardless you'll never go ooe. Akali's dashes have a charge mechanic, they don't cost mana or energy. They're effectively cooldown gated only. Being OOE after using your dashes is a cost. It limits the rest of the kit you can use without waiting around for your auto attacks. These are the costs we are talking about when discussing whether or not its appropriate for an ADC to have a zero cost dash (especially one that has a CD reset mechanic) | ||
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Shelke14
Canada6655 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
On October 16 2014 07:48 Shelke14 wrote: I wanna gain points. Tell me who I should play top. Just one name. All I need A Sporebat. | ||
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asymptotech
United States295 Posts
On October 16 2014 07:48 Shelke14 wrote: I wanna gain points. Tell me who I should play top. Just one name. All I need warwick | ||
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kongoline
6318 Posts
On October 16 2014 07:48 Shelke14 wrote: I wanna gain points. Tell me who I should play top. Just one name. All I need dont play top | ||
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