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On November 04 2014 03:18 Goumindong wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2014 02:37 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On November 04 2014 02:15 LaNague wrote:On November 03 2014 19:16 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:is there any reason why riot removed champs from urf for being bullshit op but won't remove janna from aram?  IF they do anything, they will probably start with sona. Whats so bad about janna? big slow tornado every once in a while, i rather have varus. in a game type where poke comps are already overpowered, her disengage just makes you want to shoot yourself. add on her ult healing her team to full every time it's up and T_T The thing about Janna is that most people don't realize that the optimal aram build is deathcap, zhonya, and 4 DFGs. You don't need boots there is nowhere to move too and you're fast enough with your w passive. You don't need pen you just need massive shields and ult heals. You don't need mana the game gives it to you for free. Just get 1100 AP and 40% CDR and go to town, clear all the waves with a single tornado then win the game. Before her nerfs she was hands down the strongest aram champ in the game.
goodluck getting to that fullbuild with any reasonable early/midgame items at all. having 40% CDR early in aram is crucial.
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Janna is still the strongest Aram champ in the game.
Even if your suck at her, you might not auto win, but you auto don't lose, and that's pretty well the same.
Janna losing aram is like Caitlyn being melee. In a certain kind of special player's hands it happens occasionally, but it really really shouldn't.
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Janna's ARAM winrate is lower than Sona, Ziggs, Heimer and Galio.
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I can try to load some ARAM data and see how much Janna wins.
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Janna can't instaclear the wave anymore. New Sona is probably stronger than her. Ziggs is bullcrap because his skill floor is even lower than hers and he has damage, Lux is almost as mindless and has even less cd on her ult. Galio is more surprising.
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janna used to be S tier until they neutered her Q damage. she can't instaclear waves even if she rushes deathcap and starts 4-0 with all the CS. Her Q does no damage unless fully charged, and even then, ziggs with chalice and boots clears better than deathcap janna.
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Pretty sure in ARAM waveclear is not the most important element.
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All I know about Galio is maxing Bulwark first in ARAMs can be absolutely hilarious. I did that once when a friend randomed Karma and literally nobody on our team could die. Anyone who got caught out of position was suddenly a tank.
Edit: 4000 posts, no regrets spending it on ARAM shenanigans.
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On November 04 2014 04:48 Sufficiency wrote:
Pretty sure in ARAM waveclear is not the most important element.
Then you play a game with no or only 1 person with waveclear and you realize how important it is lol.
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pretty sure waveclear is more important than absolute poke, or mixed damage types in aram.
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Also since when does janna q make you go in range to cast it instead of just casting it wtf?Was wondering why my tornadoes were going in random directions and not being instant LOL.
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On November 04 2014 05:03 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2014 04:48 Sufficiency wrote:
Pretty sure in ARAM waveclear is not the most important element. Then you play a game with no or only 1 person with waveclear and you realize how important it is lol.
Sorry I don't mean it like that.
What I am trying to say is that you don't need to be able to oneshot the wave like a mid lane Janna do, because you only need to supplement your waveclear with your team. Thus her Q damage nerfs don't really matter
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On November 04 2014 05:09 nafta wrote:
Also since when does janna q make you go in range to cast it instead of just casting it wtf?Was wondering why my tornadoes were going in random directions and not being instant LOL.
They ninja nerfed in latest patch I think. Same thing with Aniva Q. Don't know why they doing this.
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On November 04 2014 03:42 ItsFunToLose wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2014 03:18 Goumindong wrote:On November 04 2014 02:37 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On November 04 2014 02:15 LaNague wrote:On November 03 2014 19:16 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:is there any reason why riot removed champs from urf for being bullshit op but won't remove janna from aram? IF they do anything, they will probably start with sona. Whats so bad about janna? big slow tornado every once in a while, i rather have varus. in a game type where poke comps are already overpowered, her disengage just makes you want to shoot yourself. add on her ult healing her team to full every time it's up and T_T The thing about Janna is that most people don't realize that the optimal aram build is deathcap, zhonya, and 4 DFGs. You don't need boots there is nowhere to move too and you're fast enough with your w passive. You don't need pen you just need massive shields and ult heals. You don't need mana the game gives it to you for free. Just get 1100 AP and 40% CDR and go to town, clear all the waves with a single tornado then win the game. Before her nerfs she was hands down the strongest aram champ in the game. goodluck getting to that fullbuild with any reasonable early/midgame items at all. having 40% CDR early in aram is crucial.
Its really not that hard. What are they going to do, push your tower down without creeps and into a massive shield? You really don't need 40% CDR early in ARAM, you need the immediate effect on your spells much more than you need CDR. You get 2-3 Q's per wave (depending on your level)with 0% CDR. You don't really need more
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On November 04 2014 05:49 Goumindong wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2014 03:42 ItsFunToLose wrote:On November 04 2014 03:18 Goumindong wrote:On November 04 2014 02:37 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On November 04 2014 02:15 LaNague wrote:On November 03 2014 19:16 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:is there any reason why riot removed champs from urf for being bullshit op but won't remove janna from aram? IF they do anything, they will probably start with sona. Whats so bad about janna? big slow tornado every once in a while, i rather have varus. in a game type where poke comps are already overpowered, her disengage just makes you want to shoot yourself. add on her ult healing her team to full every time it's up and T_T The thing about Janna is that most people don't realize that the optimal aram build is deathcap, zhonya, and 4 DFGs. You don't need boots there is nowhere to move too and you're fast enough with your w passive. You don't need pen you just need massive shields and ult heals. You don't need mana the game gives it to you for free. Just get 1100 AP and 40% CDR and go to town, clear all the waves with a single tornado then win the game. Before her nerfs she was hands down the strongest aram champ in the game. goodluck getting to that fullbuild with any reasonable early/midgame items at all. having 40% CDR early in aram is crucial. Its really not that hard. What are they going to do, push your tower down without creeps and into a massive shield? You really don't need 40% CDR early in ARAM, you need the immediate effect on your spells much more than you need CDR. You get 2-3 Q's per wave (depending on your level)with 0% CDR. You don't really need more
Exactly. It's impossible to lose aram with Janna. They can't take towers without creeps, and chances are your team is hard pushing.
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yeah but majority of people who play aram are bad players and looking primarily for kills. which is why janna isn't a problem in a large amount of people's eyes
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If you take ARAM seriously enough that you want to ban out champions, you are taking ARAM too seriously.
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On November 04 2014 06:50 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2014 05:49 Goumindong wrote:On November 04 2014 03:42 ItsFunToLose wrote:On November 04 2014 03:18 Goumindong wrote:On November 04 2014 02:37 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On November 04 2014 02:15 LaNague wrote:On November 03 2014 19:16 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:is there any reason why riot removed champs from urf for being bullshit op but won't remove janna from aram? IF they do anything, they will probably start with sona. Whats so bad about janna? big slow tornado every once in a while, i rather have varus. in a game type where poke comps are already overpowered, her disengage just makes you want to shoot yourself. add on her ult healing her team to full every time it's up and T_T The thing about Janna is that most people don't realize that the optimal aram build is deathcap, zhonya, and 4 DFGs. You don't need boots there is nowhere to move too and you're fast enough with your w passive. You don't need pen you just need massive shields and ult heals. You don't need mana the game gives it to you for free. Just get 1100 AP and 40% CDR and go to town, clear all the waves with a single tornado then win the game. Before her nerfs she was hands down the strongest aram champ in the game. goodluck getting to that fullbuild with any reasonable early/midgame items at all. having 40% CDR early in aram is crucial. Its really not that hard. What are they going to do, push your tower down without creeps and into a massive shield? You really don't need 40% CDR early in ARAM, you need the immediate effect on your spells much more than you need CDR. You get 2-3 Q's per wave (depending on your level)with 0% CDR. You don't really need more Exactly. It's impossible to lose aram with Janna. They can't take towers without creeps, and chances are your team is hard pushing.
the hyperbole and janna-from-2-years-ago memories are ridiculous. janna is not the solocarry she used to be in aram. its absolutely possible to roll a slightly inferior team comp and simply lack the waveclear to keep them off your tower if you lose a skirmish. janna is not a 1v5 freewin the way ziggs or sona are atm. she used to be. used to be. used to. used. #youhaventplayedaramin6months.
On November 04 2014 07:26 Parnage wrote:
If you take ARAM seriously enough that you want to ban out champions, you are taking ARAM too seriously.
please explain why the word "ranked" evokes your uniquely american "tryhard" feels, but aram is for bitches and nerds who never get laid.
winning only counts if its on summoners rift, and even then, only if everyone agrees they are trying 100%.
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I thought ARAM's about fun. It's no fun getting something like Mordekaiser when the enemy team through ARAM accounts and/or rerolls gets some cancer comp the likes of Ziggs/Sona/Soraka/MF/Alistar.
It doesn't matter if you're supposed to outscale or whatever, you're just set to get bored to death by people facerolling while you wait for it to end or maybe 30 minutes to roll by so you start trying to fight back, still not getting your wasted time back.
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