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iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
October 26 2014 20:07 GMT
#2121
On October 27 2014 05:06 Zizoz wrote:
What do you mean by that? I guess I haven't done the math, but it seems to me that half of all Trundle picks being mirror matches would be statistically significant. Maybe if the number of picks were 4, I'd say "that's a weird coincidence" but since the number is 979 I'm saying instead that there's a factor-of-two error going on somewhere. Even if it's one I made, which is not impossible.


you realize that is 979 games out of like 55000 right? The sample of Trundle to other characters is pretty irrelevant in my opinion.
Zizoz
Profile Joined June 2012
United States232 Posts
October 26 2014 20:16 GMT
#2122
Basically, it was a roundabout way of saying "I think the cutoff is 1000 games instead of 500". Maybe I should have just said that, but luckily Sufficiency seems to have understood it.

And I actually don't care about Trundle at all, but he was the first champion whose win rate wasn't listed. On the other hand, I would like to know Taric's win rate. (In my sample of one game, it's 100%. )
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 26 2014 20:16 GMT
#2123
Zizoz is right. I am changing it.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
October 26 2014 20:36 GMT
#2124
I never said he wasn't right, I just thought it was statistically possible for the cutoff to be correct abs terrible have played an abnormal amount of mirrors.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-26 20:43:08
October 26 2014 20:42 GMT
#2125
On October 27 2014 05:36 iCanada wrote:
I never said he wasn't right, I just thought it was statistically possible for the cutoff to be correct abs terrible have played an abnormal amount of mirrors.


Yes but even so, if it says "more than 500 games" it should be more than 500 games, regardless of how arbitrary I made that cutoff.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35165 Posts
October 26 2014 21:02 GMT
#2126
On October 26 2014 22:18 justiceknight wrote:
i just read some cass guide on TSM site and why most of them has WOTA??

my ideal build is: seraph, deathcap, void, boot, zhonya liandry

The only one updated since the rework says they take WotA so they can 1v1 ADCs without ult. The author MASSIVELY overvalues SpellVamp to the extent of saying to always forgo Void for DCap unless you have SpellVamp quints.

The guide is also pretty outdated in general, doesn't even go over the new kit. If they actually updated anything, I can't find it.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 26 2014 21:24 GMT
#2127
When people talk about climbing the ranks, they say "You have only 4 chances of a baddie on your team if you're decent, while they have 5".
They forgot the corollary "they have 5 chances of having a smurf eager to fuck up matchmaking on their side, while you only have 4".

I'm preeeeetty salty right now.

User was warned for this post
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 26 2014 21:33 GMT
#2128
On October 27 2014 06:24 Alaric wrote:
When people talk about climbing the ranks, they say "You have only 4 chances of a baddie on your team if you're decent, while they have 5".
They forgot the corollary "they have 5 chances of having a smurf eager to fuck up matchmaking on their side, while you only have 4".

I'm preeeeetty salty right now.

When are you not salty?
liftlift > tsm
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 26 2014 21:34 GMT
#2129
When I get decent games I guess.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 26 2014 21:42 GMT
#2130
On October 27 2014 06:34 Alaric wrote:
When I get decent games I guess.

So never?
liftlift > tsm
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
October 26 2014 22:01 GMT
#2131
do you ever stop bitching about ELO HELL jus wondering
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 26 2014 22:22 GMT
#2132
Where was the Elo hell mention?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
October 26 2014 22:48 GMT
#2133
On October 27 2014 05:36 iCanada wrote:
I never said he wasn't right, I just thought it was statistically possible for the cutoff to be correct abs terrible have played an abnormal amount of mirrors.


It's pretty improbable that it would happen. The variance on these types of events scales with the absolute number not the relative number (also true in general, I haven't come across any that scale by relative value that I can recall)
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 27 2014 01:44 GMT
#2134
Ahahaha, someone gets E'd by Syndra during his Vi ult on Scarra's stream and is "WAT - YOU CAN STOP MY ULT" in all chat.
Such naivete, such innocence. I envy him. :')
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
October 27 2014 02:23 GMT
#2135
On October 27 2014 06:24 Alaric wrote:
When people talk about climbing the ranks, they say "You have only 4 chances of a baddie on your team if you're decent, while they have 5".
They forgot the corollary "they have 5 chances of having a smurf eager to fuck up matchmaking on their side, while you only have 4".

I'm preeeeetty salty right now.

you will get about the same amount of smurfs on your team though. the problem used to be duo q where if you and your duo was legit your team had a 0 percent chance of duo smurf where enemy team has a chance at a diamond smurfing on a silver account duo q boosting someone in gold/plat
Moar banelings less qq
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
October 27 2014 03:24 GMT
#2136
On October 27 2014 11:23 IamPryda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2014 06:24 Alaric wrote:
When people talk about climbing the ranks, they say "You have only 4 chances of a baddie on your team if you're decent, while they have 5".
They forgot the corollary "they have 5 chances of having a smurf eager to fuck up matchmaking on their side, while you only have 4".

I'm preeeeetty salty right now.

you will get about the same amount of smurfs on your team though. the problem used to be duo q where if you and your duo was legit your team had a 0 percent chance of duo smurf where enemy team has a chance at a diamond smurfing on a silver account duo q boosting someone in gold/plat


No, assuming you're not a smurf you're more likely to play against than with smurfs. The end of the season can be really painful for this manner (lots of people buying rankings, lots of people playing alts to get rewards). This is also why they removed MMR penalties for dodging
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
October 27 2014 03:57 GMT
#2137
On October 27 2014 06:02 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 22:18 justiceknight wrote:
i just read some cass guide on TSM site and why most of them has WOTA??

my ideal build is: seraph, deathcap, void, boot, zhonya liandry

The only one updated since the rework says they take WotA so they can 1v1 ADCs without ult. The author MASSIVELY overvalues SpellVamp to the extent of saying to always forgo Void for DCap unless you have SpellVamp quints.

The guide is also pretty outdated in general, doesn't even go over the new kit. If they actually updated anything, I can't find it.

There was a time that wota was only 2k gold (instead of 2.5k) for 80 AP and 25% spellvamp.

If the guide was written at that time, advocating hard for WOTA makes sense.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
October 27 2014 03:59 GMT
#2138
On October 27 2014 12:57 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2014 06:02 Gahlo wrote:
On October 26 2014 22:18 justiceknight wrote:
i just read some cass guide on TSM site and why most of them has WOTA??

my ideal build is: seraph, deathcap, void, boot, zhonya liandry

The only one updated since the rework says they take WotA so they can 1v1 ADCs without ult. The author MASSIVELY overvalues SpellVamp to the extent of saying to always forgo Void for DCap unless you have SpellVamp quints.

The guide is also pretty outdated in general, doesn't even go over the new kit. If they actually updated anything, I can't find it.

There was a time that wota was only 2k gold (instead of 2.5k) for 80 AP and 25% spellvamp.

If the guide was written at that time, advocating hard for WOTA makes sense.

Don't forget that it had 30AP and the spellvamp as an aura.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35165 Posts
October 27 2014 04:11 GMT
#2139
On October 27 2014 12:57 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2014 06:02 Gahlo wrote:
On October 26 2014 22:18 justiceknight wrote:
i just read some cass guide on TSM site and why most of them has WOTA??

my ideal build is: seraph, deathcap, void, boot, zhonya liandry

The only one updated since the rework says they take WotA so they can 1v1 ADCs without ult. The author MASSIVELY overvalues SpellVamp to the extent of saying to always forgo Void for DCap unless you have SpellVamp quints.

The guide is also pretty outdated in general, doesn't even go over the new kit. If they actually updated anything, I can't find it.

There was a time that wota was only 2k gold (instead of 2.5k) for 80 AP and 25% spellvamp.

If the guide was written at that time, advocating hard for WOTA makes sense.

All guides on solomid.net that weren't made in S4 or updated for S4 got deleted, I think. Either way, this guide had S4 masteries and in the matchup section mentioned stuff for Nidalee that didn't exist pre-rework.
SwizzY
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1549 Posts
October 27 2014 04:41 GMT
#2140
i cant get a game without an akali in it, good or bad, so i gotta ban that shit.
Oh and I have lustboys smurf in my division which is kinda cool
All that glitters is not gold, all that wander are not lost, the old that is strong does not wither, deep roots are not reached by frost.
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