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On October 28 2014 05:24 Seuss wrote:
Rylai's is better/stronger relative to where it was when I stopped playing, but I'd rather grab an early Haunting Guise to abuse penetration and then divert to Athene's/Zhonya's before committing to LT and Rylai's. That said Malzahar is the sort of champion whose itemization choices are fairly varied, and in the right contexts LT is probably strong.
The biggest reason his item choice varies is because he sorta sucks no matter what you build.
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On October 28 2014 05:39 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2014 05:24 Seuss wrote:
Rylai's is better/stronger relative to where it was when I stopped playing, but I'd rather grab an early Haunting Guise to abuse penetration and then divert to Athene's/Zhonya's before committing to LT and Rylai's. That said Malzahar is the sort of champion whose itemization choices are fairly varied, and in the right contexts LT is probably strong.
The biggest reason his item choice varies is because he sorta sucks no matter what you build.
Oh geez come at me son. That's just ignorance.
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On October 28 2014 05:43 Alzadar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2014 05:39 wei2coolman wrote:On October 28 2014 05:24 Seuss wrote:
Rylai's is better/stronger relative to where it was when I stopped playing, but I'd rather grab an early Haunting Guise to abuse penetration and then divert to Athene's/Zhonya's before committing to LT and Rylai's. That said Malzahar is the sort of champion whose itemization choices are fairly varied, and in the right contexts LT is probably strong.
The biggest reason his item choice varies is because he sorta sucks no matter what you build. Oh geez come at me son. That's just ignorance.
Malz just isn't that good. :/ What else is there to say? his builds are all pretty subpar, just because of the constraint of the champion.
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Not sure if I should enlighten you on the glory of the Prophet or let you remain in ignorance.
No bad match-ups, great waveclear, gank-assist, peerless when it comes to shutting down assassins. Yes he's immobile, yes his ult is a channel, that's why he's balanced instead of super OP.
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On October 28 2014 05:54 Alzadar wrote:
Not sure if I should enlighten you on the glory of the Prophet or let you remain in ignorance.
No bad match-ups, great waveclear, gank-assist, peerless when it comes to shutting down assassins. Yes he's immobile, yes his ult is a channel, that's why he's balanced instead of super OP.
i believe that's the definition of sucks.
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Don't read too much into it Alz. Apparently anything that isn't blatantly OP is trash. It's a theme that will never go away
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malz W should be a teleport where he casts the void blob thingy at his destination, then all those hecarim, lee sin rammus etc jungles can go screw themselves.
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Remember when AD Malz was a thing?
Those were the days.
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On October 28 2014 06:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Don't read too much into it Alz. Apparently anything that isn't blatantly OP is trash. It's a theme that will never go away
I mean the real question is, what does malz offer that would suggest he's strong? He's not a good generic pick, and he doesn't have a singular strength that makes him a strong niche pick either.
You could literally just play syndra, and she does everything he does, except better. Oh want single target lockdown? Just fucking blow them up with Syndra instead.
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On October 28 2014 06:10 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2014 06:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Don't read too much into it Alz. Apparently anything that isn't blatantly OP is trash. It's a theme that will never go away I mean the real question is, what does malz offer that would suggest he's strong? He's not a good generic pick, and he doesn't have a singular strength that makes him a strong niche pick either. You could literally just play syndra, and she does everything he does, except better. Oh want single target lockdown? Just fucking blow them up with Syndra instead.
Malz is a absolute tank buster.
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On October 28 2014 06:10 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2014 06:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Don't read too much into it Alz. Apparently anything that isn't blatantly OP is trash. It's a theme that will never go away I mean the real question is, what does malz offer that would suggest he's strong? He's not a good generic pick, and he doesn't have a singular strength that makes him a strong niche pick either. You could literally just play syndra, and she does everything he does, except better. Oh want single target lockdown? Just fucking blow them up with Syndra instead.
Who the fuck cares? It's a very well known fact that I have a soft spot in my heart for the underplayed mids, and I love when people play champs because they like them, not because they're OP.
What elo are you playing at that you absolutely shouldn't play "sub-optimal" mids? Malz can space ebola a wave and walk away, he's got an amazing %hp pool, and a long range, wide silence. They can serve different purposes.
Syndra ult? You can Zhonya and live. Malz ult, you need to get a QSS, which foregoes quite a bit of damage just to survive.
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On October 28 2014 06:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Don't read too much into it Alz. Apparently anything that isn't blatantly OP is trash. It's a theme that will never go away
If it's not optimal it's not viable.
That said, Malz doesn't fit said definition.
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Malz seems uninspiring. I don't think he is weak, but he does have this problem that he got no CC except his ult - not even a slow to protect him.
Yes I know what his Q does, but it won't save him from an all in.
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On October 28 2014 06:17 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2014 06:10 wei2coolman wrote:On October 28 2014 06:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Don't read too much into it Alz. Apparently anything that isn't blatantly OP is trash. It's a theme that will never go away I mean the real question is, what does malz offer that would suggest he's strong? He's not a good generic pick, and he doesn't have a singular strength that makes him a strong niche pick either. You could literally just play syndra, and she does everything he does, except better. Oh want single target lockdown? Just fucking blow them up with Syndra instead. Malz is a absolute tank buster.
If you land your W correctly, but as we saw in the few times he was picked in OGN it's way easier to play OP faceroll champions
League of Mobility means teamfights aren't fought on pools of AoE like the good old Vlad/Kennen/Karthus days
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Since Annie has instant burst, isn't ignite better anyway because if you hit 6 first they're dead?
Yasuo takes Exhaust because early/midgame he's more about dps and that buys him time to reach his 3rd Q or fill up his shield, Karthus to keep people in range/hit Qs more easily and because he's squishy, I assume it'd be the same for Cassiopeia (easier to hit Qs, before the rework she'd have the damage to kill you anyway, not as much the case now from what I heard).
You could easily take exhaust on Orianna too, it's been popular on her for awhile (more than Barrier/Heal). Lux/Xerath take Barrier because they're more pokey and not in range to Ignite you anyway if they're on the offensive, but if they could use Exhaust in these cases they'd prob like it over Barrier (especially Lux with her shield). Ziggs takes Heal for the same reasons regarding Ignite.
I had ~130 MR and maxing W second on J4, fairly farmed/high in levels too (I got most of the early kills, not on purpose and it made our Corki rage and refuse to help at dragon because he didn't get the gold, common sense  ) and I kept getting dunked by Cassiopeia. Even in the last fight she killed me in around 7 seconds through ~2876 HP (shields included) and 134 MR, with just sorcs/rylai/WotA/Liandry's/Seraph's, and she didn't even have 400 stacks. That's... some pretty heavy damage, over 300 dps (so > 600 before reduction).
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On October 28 2014 06:22 Zess wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2014 06:17 Gahlo wrote:On October 28 2014 06:10 wei2coolman wrote:On October 28 2014 06:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Don't read too much into it Alz. Apparently anything that isn't blatantly OP is trash. It's a theme that will never go away I mean the real question is, what does malz offer that would suggest he's strong? He's not a good generic pick, and he doesn't have a singular strength that makes him a strong niche pick either. You could literally just play syndra, and she does everything he does, except better. Oh want single target lockdown? Just fucking blow them up with Syndra instead. Malz is a absolute tank buster. If you land your W correctly, but as we saw in the few times he was picked in OGN it's way easier to play OP faceroll champions League of Mobility means teamfights aren't fought on pools of AoE like the good old Vlad/Kennen/Karthus days
Is this where, for whatever explicable reason, the League community goes "Skillshots don't do anything if they don't connect." and then stop playing good skillshot reliant champions?
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I'd say Malz would do better in League of bruisers when people want to dive his team but he's all "NOPE". With the current meta and popular picks you want to kill the enemy marksman instead because he's doing most of the contribution, even in midgame unless you're running an assassin, so Malz can't do that: people don't want to dive his team, they just want to kill them without getting jumped on.
Kinda same deal with Galio. Sure if you get Tristana, Lucian or Twitch so the enemy team is forced to dive you he's good for that, but if they're on the enemy team not so much.
Also Tristana/Twitch aren't that great atm because outside of Twitch's stealth for catches/assassination post-laning they don't hold a candle to the popular midgame marksmen (eg. Corki and Lucian who's an omni-marksman anyway), and their lull is exploitable by the currently popular assassins (like Zed, Syndra and Ahri—'cause Riot went out of their way to make her manaless and be sure she'll get picked again, after she goes under 80% picked/banned for 2 straight months, zomg).
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On October 28 2014 06:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2014 06:10 wei2coolman wrote:On October 28 2014 06:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Don't read too much into it Alz. Apparently anything that isn't blatantly OP is trash. It's a theme that will never go away I mean the real question is, what does malz offer that would suggest he's strong? He's not a good generic pick, and he doesn't have a singular strength that makes him a strong niche pick either. You could literally just play syndra, and she does everything he does, except better. Oh want single target lockdown? Just fucking blow them up with Syndra instead. Who the fuck cares? It's a very well known fact that I have a soft spot in my heart for the underplayed mids, and I love when people play champs because they like them, not because they're OP. What elo are you playing at that you absolutely shouldn't play "sub-optimal" mids? Malz can space ebola a wave and walk away, he's got an amazing %hp pool, and a long range, wide silence. They can serve different purposes. Syndra ult? You can Zhonya and live. Malz ult, you need to get a QSS, which foregoes quite a bit of damage just to survive.
You don't need to get a QSS vs Malz ult though, because you have a team, and Malz ult becomes useless in teamfights pretty quickly. Plus I never said not to play Malz, I just said he sort of sucks, and that there's no clear build path because he sucks, not because there requires niche situations that you need to build Malz a certain way.
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I'm with wei here. Why play any mid that isn't Annie when you can just play Annie. That said, Malzahar has a really cool champion design so I'd probably play him if I played more mid.
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On October 28 2014 06:26 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2014 06:22 Zess wrote:On October 28 2014 06:17 Gahlo wrote:On October 28 2014 06:10 wei2coolman wrote:On October 28 2014 06:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Don't read too much into it Alz. Apparently anything that isn't blatantly OP is trash. It's a theme that will never go away I mean the real question is, what does malz offer that would suggest he's strong? He's not a good generic pick, and he doesn't have a singular strength that makes him a strong niche pick either. You could literally just play syndra, and she does everything he does, except better. Oh want single target lockdown? Just fucking blow them up with Syndra instead. Malz is a absolute tank buster. If you land your W correctly, but as we saw in the few times he was picked in OGN it's way easier to play OP faceroll champions League of Mobility means teamfights aren't fought on pools of AoE like the good old Vlad/Kennen/Karthus days Is this where, for whatever explicable reason, the League community goes "Skillshots don't do anything if they don't connect." and then stop playing good skillshot reliant champions?
Good straw man hyperbole
I guess Syndra doesn't have any skillshots
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