EPT[Patch 4.17] Soraka/Viktor General Discussion - Page 4
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MooMooMugi
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On September 25 2014 13:07 MooMooMugi wrote: Tristana was barely hit by this patch but fuck nidalee she deserved them Yeah, scary thing is I still feel like she is probably in a really good place to the point hwere she can probably keep doing what she does now with the right matchup. Hopefully these changes give her some actual losing matchups aside from like Pantheon or Xin. lol. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
I think Garen's problem is that he has this very passive style where he often wants to slow things down and use his passive to regenerate a bit of health. I think Garen needs a partial reset on his passive on his Q and/or W to make his laning phase a bit more active instead of just pressing Q and charging at people. | ||
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kongoline
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On September 25 2014 13:13 Sufficiency wrote: Garen's laning phase is absolutely TERRIBLE (except maybe against Nasus). Garen is far better in mid/late game because of his W steroids and R execute. He is really annoying to play against especially if you don't have the right team against him (e.g. you got a Leona MF lane vs a freaking Garen). I think Garen's problem is that he has this very passive style where he often wants to slow things down and use his passive to regenerate a bit of health. I think Garen needs a partial reset on his passive on his Q and/or W to make his laning phase a bit more active instead of just pressing Q and charging at people. I'd agree with this. It is kind of awkward to be like "Yo hold on team, I need to get my passive." But that would be my only gripe. As far as immoble bruisers go, he is the one I'd rather have at the 15 minute mark and on over pretty much anyone else. Trouble is, lots of players can't play champions without a jump because so many of the champs now a days do. I mean, Its definitely a handicap, but I think he can overcome it just by how absolutely awesome his W Steroid is. He gets so incredibly tanky with just a couple items and combined with his R execute means he doesn't get to the "irrelevant because absolutely 0 damage" state like a lot of tanks do when they overly tanky. He can have like Banshees + Sunfire + Aegis + Offensive items and be the tankiest champion in the game while the Tank line on the other team has the same gold and all defensive items. Means he can like dive, chase an AD carry out of a fight while tanking a team with his two Defensive items giving him 3k HP, 200 MR+Armor because of the extra 20% damage mitigation from items and the flat 6 second 30% damage reduction on all damage post damage mitigation screen while his team cleans up. All the while he does consistent AoE damage, has a huge damage execute, and peels pretty well with his rather large Silence and movespeed boost. Garen is fine imo. Just different than before. Before he was a win lane lose game champ, now he is a lose lane win game champ. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On September 25 2014 13:17 kongoline wrote: inb4 they throw in random darius buffs just as they release new skin They wanted a (small) rework with Darius such that passive has 10 stacks; with 10 stacks you can R and devastate anyone, but getting 10 stacks is (fairly) difficult. They might also take out the passive DoT and the passive penetration from E. So as Darius you can build all tank and still be super good (get 10 stacks instant R anyone to death... if you can survive that long) and probably also get rid of some of his snowballing elements. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On September 25 2014 13:28 iCanada wrote: I'd agree with this. It is kind of awkward to be like "Yo hold on team, I need to get my passive." But that would be my only gripe. As far as immoble bruisers go, he is the one I'd rather have at the 15 minute mark and on over pretty much anyone else. Trouble is, lots of players can't play champions without a jump because so many of the champs now a days do. I mean, Its definitely a handicap, but I think he can overcome it just by how absolutely awesome his W Steroid is. He gets so incredibly tanky with just a couple items and combined with his R execute means he doesn't get to the "irrelevant because absolutely 0 damage" state like a lot of tanks do when they overly tanky. He can have like Banshees + Sunfire + Aegis + Offensive items and be the tankiest champion in the game while the Tank line on the other team has the same gold and all defensive items. Means he can like dive, chase an AD carry out of a fight while tanking a team with his two Defensive items giving him 3k HP, 200 MR+Armor because of the extra 20% damage mitigation from items and the flat 6 second 30% damage reduction on all damage post damage mitigation screen while his team cleans up. All the while he does consistent AoE damage, has a huge damage execute, and peels pretty well with his rather large Silence and movespeed boost. Garen is fine imo. Just different than before. Before he was a win lane lose game champ, now he is a lose lane win game champ. Yes but he loses lane way too hard, because he is unusually sensitive against pokes and particularly DoTs. You have to be absolutely retarded to lose lane against a Garen as Teemo, Pantheon, Nidalee, or Darius (well Garen can actually win against Teemo but the other three are nightmares). You can literally walk into lane as Garen with the expectation that you will get 0 CS unless the wave is pushed toward your tower. I don't think there exists harder match ups in the entire game. I think his passive needs a bit of help so he can at least reasonably lane against the champions above - he will still suck against them, but hopefully not in an overwhelmingly lopsided way. | ||
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sharky246
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kongoline
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
Ravenborn LeBlanc looks like a really cool skin, sucks that LB is such a crap nowadays. Underworld Wukong is pretty meh :\ Time for Celestine Soraka ! | ||
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schmutttt
Australia3856 Posts
On September 25 2014 14:29 kongoline wrote: so tl is fine with endorsing hots (refering to the sheth interview and how many positive comments it gets) meanwhile lol is still portrayed as shitty game for unskilled kids, hypocrisy at its finest wat | ||
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
this is confusing only because they've been openly bias for a long time | ||
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Goragoth
New Zealand1065 Posts
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
On September 25 2014 15:36 739 wrote: Ok, EUW is up already, I'm in ranked yolo queue with my first Soraka after rework game ! Holy shit, new Soraka feels so good. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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asymptotech
United States295 Posts
On September 25 2014 15:45 Goragoth wrote: I'm bad at this game so I might be really wrong but the Garen change looks huge to me. 2.0% max health per second with only a 4 second cooldown on his passive at lvl 16 sounds nuts to me. Warmogs is 1.0% max health per 5 seconds (so only 0.2% per second). The important thing of note is not the regen numbers but level 16. It trivializes this in many ways because level 16 means the following things in most games: a) It's already over. Maybe not literally, but one team is either waiting for everyone to surrender or hoping someone on the other team disconnects or throws so hard they dislocate their shoulder. or b) The teams are relatively even with decent vision. In these cases it is extremely rare that fights breakout more often than ults are available. That's more than enough time to regen from the base let alone a passive. I do like the concept of having Garen be the front line of a siege that can act like they have Baron, even when they don't, if he's the only one taking real damage/poke because at that new rate he can literally heal up between minion waves. But the viability of a specific set of theoretical circumstances vs the reality of most games seems pretty disconnected to me. | ||
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
Feels pretty strong, I've just managed to win 4v5 game where our mid Xerath fed 2 kills to Ahri and ragequitted at level 4, we still won, cause Soraka stronk as fck. | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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Ryuu314
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