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Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
October 01 2014 20:39 GMT
#701
On October 02 2014 05:36 ArchAngelSC wrote:
Is it just me or is Rammus taunt super bugged right now?

I've just started playing him (have 3 games now) and 90% of the time when I taunt someone who doesn't have tenacity it feels like it's only taunting them for about 1 second instead of 2.25

There are some bugs where the taunted person just keeps going where he was going instead of attacking you but I don't know about anything that would cut the taunt short. Maybe the shunpo/leapstrike during taunt bug is still in? Not sure.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
ArchAngelSC
Profile Joined April 2012
England706 Posts
October 01 2014 20:43 GMT
#702
On October 02 2014 05:39 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2014 05:36 ArchAngelSC wrote:
Is it just me or is Rammus taunt super bugged right now?

I've just started playing him (have 3 games now) and 90% of the time when I taunt someone who doesn't have tenacity it feels like it's only taunting them for about 1 second instead of 2.25

There are some bugs where the taunted person just keeps going where he was going instead of attacking you but I don't know about anything that would cut the taunt short. Maybe the shunpo/leapstrike during taunt bug is still in? Not sure.

Naa they start attacking me that's fine. It just feels wayyy shorter than it should be.

I'm going to try and time it tomorrow to see if I'm right.
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
October 01 2014 20:44 GMT
#703
On October 02 2014 04:58 Gahlo wrote:
Today's PBE changes:

Ezreal

Rising Spell Force (Passive) increases Ezreal's attack speed by 6 seconds up from 5 seconds
Mystic Shot (Q) AD ratio increased to 1.1 from 1.0


Tristana

Attack speed per level lowered to 2.5% from 4%
Rapid Fire (Q) Duration lowered to 5 seconds from 7 seconds
Rapid Fire (Q) attack speed bonus increased to 30/50/70/90/110 from 30/45/60/75/90


Lucian

Relentless Pursuit (E) [seems to now have a mana cost again]


The cycle of buff and nerf continues. Riot will nerf; Riot will buff.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-01 20:47:09
October 01 2014 20:46 GMT
#704
As weak as Ez is right now, I still think he's plenty strong right now. I would really hate to see him being used a generic pick again, since I feel his kit is easily op'd when his numbers are in line, and his design works much better as a niche pick in a teamcomp that can't peel for him. Not a fan of unwarranted buff to him
liftlift > tsm
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 01 2014 20:51 GMT
#705
Unless you specifically need poke, Lucian is the new Ezreal because he does well in almost all lanes since his laning is so strong, and later he's super safe thanks to his low cd dash, while having much more damage than Ezreal.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 01 2014 20:52 GMT
#706
On October 02 2014 05:51 Alaric wrote:
Unless you specifically need poke, Lucian is the new Ezreal because he does well in almost all lanes since his laning is so strong, and later he's super safe thanks to his low cd dash, while having much more damage than Ezreal.

That's a problem of Lucians numbers being too high, and thus the generic lucian picks.
liftlift > tsm
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
October 01 2014 20:54 GMT
#707
Is there quantitative data on whether the game is more balanced/diverse than before? I feel like if anything, as players (Koreans) have gotten better at the game (everyone else copies Koreans), we will just have less pick diversity because league's design lends itself to reductive optimal play. And because of this we just go in circles, for example, with top ADCs and their itemization (let's support ADC item diversity by turning the BT->TF route into IE -> Shiv!)

This is just speculation and confirmation biases when remembering anecdotal evidence however.
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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
October 01 2014 20:58 GMT
#708
Well, roughly 50% of the champion pool has been picked in Worlds so far this year.

How much of the champion pool was picked in Worlds last year?
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Thermia
Profile Joined August 2010
United States866 Posts
October 01 2014 21:08 GMT
#709
It's because items are just giant statsticks in almost all cases which leads to whichever kit that makes the best use of the stats being far and away superior to other kits. It's also why most kits are extremely generic and similar; because certain things (such as gapclosers) are almost 100% necessary since there is hardly any way at all to itemize for utility. Since basically everything scales with these statsticks that also grow exponentially in power the more of them you have, snowballing is a real problem and will never truly be addressed as long as riot doesn't change their itemization philosophy. There will always be some mathematically correct build to maximize damage/survival/whatever, and a corresponding set of champs that take advantage of that the most.
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35162 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-01 21:19:11
October 01 2014 21:18 GMT
#710
On October 02 2014 05:58 Ketara wrote:
Well, roughly 50% of the champion pool has been picked in Worlds so far this year.

How much of the champion pool was picked in Worlds last year?

http://lol.gamepedia.com/Season_3_World_Championship/Statistics#Picks_and_Bans_Statistic
60 pick and/or banned, Ziggs only banned.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
October 01 2014 21:21 GMT
#711
Goes even lower is we discount the mineski pain train and TSM's teemo shenanigans
Glorious SEA doto
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
October 01 2014 21:35 GMT
#712
Looks like 61/113 for the entire tournament

http://lol.esportspedia.com/wiki/Season_3_World_Championship/Infograph/Picks
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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-01 21:42:59
October 01 2014 21:41 GMT
#713
Seems similar to me, since a couple of the 2013 picks were blatant troll picks (TSM Teemo and the Ziggs ban)


You know what I think is really funny about Worlds this year? There have been SO MANY changes to mid lane since S3, and yet the Worlds mid lane champion pool is still fairly identical. Zed, Ahri, Syndra, Orianna, Fizz. And all of those were nerfed in S4 too. We've just added Yasuo.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35162 Posts
October 01 2014 21:44 GMT
#714
On October 02 2014 06:41 Ketara wrote:
Seems similar to me, since a couple of the 2013 picks were blatant troll picks (TSM Teemo and the Ziggs ban)


You know what I think is really funny about Worlds this year? There have been SO MANY changes to mid lane since S3, and yet the Worlds mid lane champion pool is still fairly identical. Zed, Ahri, Syndra, Orianna, Fizz. And all of those were nerfed in S4 too. We've just added Yasuo.

+Xerath.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 01 2014 21:45 GMT
#715
Ziggs was already stupid good in s3. It's just he wasn't in the meta which was more assassins centered (the Corki buffs didn't help obviously since stalling wasn't as necessary).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
October 01 2014 21:53 GMT
#716
On October 02 2014 06:41 Ketara wrote:
Seems similar to me, since a couple of the 2013 picks were blatant troll picks (TSM Teemo and the Ziggs ban)


You know what I think is really funny about Worlds this year? There have been SO MANY changes to mid lane since S3, and yet the Worlds mid lane champion pool is still fairly identical. Zed, Ahri, Syndra, Orianna, Fizz. And all of those were nerfed in S4 too. We've just added Yasuo.

Some champions just have really good kits. People are still picking/banning Lee Sin despite years of nerfs. Also Thresh.
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Kenpark
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany2350 Posts
October 01 2014 22:16 GMT
#717
On October 02 2014 06:53 xes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2014 06:41 Ketara wrote:
Seems similar to me, since a couple of the 2013 picks were blatant troll picks (TSM Teemo and the Ziggs ban)


You know what I think is really funny about Worlds this year? There have been SO MANY changes to mid lane since S3, and yet the Worlds mid lane champion pool is still fairly identical. Zed, Ahri, Syndra, Orianna, Fizz. And all of those were nerfed in S4 too. We've just added Yasuo.

Some champions just have really good kits. People are still picking/banning Lee Sin despite years of nerfs. Also Thresh.


Well Riot brought them back on purpose. Both Zed and Ahri received small buffs, just to bring them back into comp. play. These are also a bunch of the best designed heroes in the game. Who wants so see Xerath vs Lulu instead of Ahri vs Zed mid.
IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
October 01 2014 22:18 GMT
#718
On October 02 2014 06:41 Ketara wrote:
Seems similar to me, since a couple of the 2013 picks were blatant troll picks (TSM Teemo and the Ziggs ban)


You know what I think is really funny about Worlds this year? There have been SO MANY changes to mid lane since S3, and yet the Worlds mid lane champion pool is still fairly identical. Zed, Ahri, Syndra, Orianna, Fizz. And all of those were nerfed in S4 too. We've just added Yasuo.

no gragas though..... rip fat man and I believe riven mid was pretty common but I don't recall much syndra in season 3
Moar banelings less qq
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
October 01 2014 22:33 GMT
#719
Syndra was played at last years worlds?? mabye if a lot of bans otherwise I don't recall, also TF was a lot better then
Carrilord has arrived.
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-01 23:15:15
October 01 2014 23:14 GMT
#720
On October 02 2014 07:16 Kenpark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2014 06:53 xes wrote:
On October 02 2014 06:41 Ketara wrote:
Seems similar to me, since a couple of the 2013 picks were blatant troll picks (TSM Teemo and the Ziggs ban)


You know what I think is really funny about Worlds this year? There have been SO MANY changes to mid lane since S3, and yet the Worlds mid lane champion pool is still fairly identical. Zed, Ahri, Syndra, Orianna, Fizz. And all of those were nerfed in S4 too. We've just added Yasuo.

Some champions just have really good kits. People are still picking/banning Lee Sin despite years of nerfs. Also Thresh.


Well Riot brought them back on purpose. Both Zed and Ahri received small buffs, just to bring them back into comp. play. These are also a bunch of the best designed heroes in the game. Who wants so see Xerath vs Lulu instead of Ahri vs Zed mid.

Curious, I'd be interested in hearing why you think Ahri is well designed. I get Zed.

On October 02 2014 07:33 Slusher wrote:
Syndra was played at last years worlds?? mabye if a lot of bans otherwise I don't recall, also TF was a lot better then

I don't remember her being picked either. She only really rose to prominence after the LB nerf. Before that, she was a niche pick at best.
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