[Patch 4.16] Azir General Discussion - Page 42
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Noobville17920 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Who is an AP mid that these days commonly doesn't buy Athene/Morello and just goes 2x dorans? Ahri? | ||
Alaric
France45622 Posts
Brand wouldn't want to go Grail, he likes the CDR and needs some mana regen because he isn't cancer Ziggs but if he can get away with double dring into Guise he'll do it. Anyone laning against Zed. Diana. Akali. Viktor (hue). Lissandra. Annie. | ||
lilwisper
United States2515 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19573 Posts
On September 16 2014 08:16 Alaric wrote: Yasuo has 2 passives. I'm very confused whether you are attempting to suggest Yasuo is a warning or a success story. | ||
Alaric
France45622 Posts
The utility alone on this spell is stronger and more broken than entire kits. | ||
Ketara
United States15065 Posts
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On September 16 2014 07:47 Ketara wrote: I LOVE how it starts. Very first line "Azir has two passives" Power creep much? Rita plz. Considering how Poppy's now baseline 50% winrate with no buffs, I don't think there's power creep. | ||
SagaZ
France3460 Posts
On September 16 2014 08:42 obesechicken13 wrote: Considering how Poppy's now baseline 50% winrate with no buffs, I don't think there's power creep. I'm sure that if Poppy was a tall, lightly clothed female with big boobs and high heels she would have dominated the game, would have gotten nerfed on several different occasions and would be a top competitive pick Her kit is disgusting OP, only reason no1 plays her is she's ugly | ||
GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
I wanted to figure out what CDR item he wants, which basically boils down to how much regen does he need. + Show Spoiler + At level 18, spamming Q+W+E all on cooldown with 40% CDR and no mana regen items, Azir runs out of mana in 33.8 seconds. For comparison, Lux (common Athenes requirement champ) runs out in 25 seconds. Kayle (2x dorans into Nashors champ) runs out in 31.36 seconds. Considering that he also probably won't be spamming spells in extended sieges (he'll probably keep soldiers up but won't Q on cooldown or E at all) I don't think he'll be especially needy of mana regen. As such, double dorans into Nashors actually seems good, even though sand soldiers don't get the Nashors Passive. CDR + ASPD is probably still worth. You'll probably still auto as Azir from time to time anyway. I also wanted to look at possible rune options. + Show Spoiler + At level 1, Azir's attackspeed is 0.556 He should have about 22 AP from items/masteries. With AP quints, the DPS of a level 1 sand soldier is: 42.5896 With CDR quints, the DPS of a level 1 sand soldier is: 39.71375 (2.87585 less) At level 2: With AP quints: 45.7588 With CDR quints: 43.399136 (2.359664 less) So the DPS is similar, and will scale better with CDR quints than with AP quints. But you might say Ketara, Azir's Q will be stronger with AP runes! And yes, it will do more damage sure. But its ratio isn't great (0.5), his E ratio is even worse (0.4) and his ult will mostly be used for utility. Plus, critically, CDR quints will allow Azir to Q twice with the same sand soldier from level 3. With AP quints he won't be able to do this till level 5. CDR quints also increase his utility and AA DPS. As for reds, here are DPS numbers against a 42 MR target (common no MR items but MR runes player) Level 1 with ASPD reds: 31.96 Level 1 with split pen reds: 29.111 Based on all that, the build I'd probably try first is Double Dorans into Nashors, with ASPD reds, Armor yellows, MR blues and CDR quints. Q max so you can Q twice with the same soldier. | ||
zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On September 16 2014 09:20 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Damn Ketara you're really tryharding this champ lol It's FUN and for once I actually LIKE THE KIT. Shut up :< | ||
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On September 16 2014 07:51 Chexx wrote: Here is my second [Pro Inside] http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2gi4pc/pro_inside_interview_with_cpt_jack_about_why_he/ Good stuff. I really like the first generation players and always hope they can keep going. Also this article had much less mistakes than the one before. ![]() | ||
obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
Do they have any champions that don't have a damage penalty for hitting both parts of a skill? I think Anivia Q can hit twice for double damage if you let the pass through and detonation connect, but I'm not sure of any others. I feel like it lowers the skill cap on a champion which also allows it to have a more consistent win rate across tiers instead of 53% at challenger and 40% at bronze. | ||
GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On September 16 2014 09:31 obesechicken13 wrote: You know how two Azir soldiers hitting a target with Azir's Q only does 150% damage instead of 200%? Do they have any champions that don't have a damage penalty for hitting both parts of a skill? I think Anivia Q can hit twice for double damage if you let the pass through and detonation connect, but I'm not sure of any others. I feel like it lowers the skill cap on a champion which also allows it to have a more consistent win rate across tiers instead of 53% at challenger and 40% at bronze. Ahri does more damage from hitting the second part. | ||
SagaZ
France3460 Posts
never forget | ||
Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On September 16 2014 09:31 obesechicken13 wrote: You know how two Azir soldiers hitting a target with Azir's Q only does 150% damage instead of 200%? Do they have any champions that don't have a damage penalty for hitting both parts of a skill? I think Anivia Q can hit twice for double damage if you let the pass through and detonation connect, but I'm not sure of any others. I feel like it lowers the skill cap on a champion which also allows it to have a more consistent win rate across tiers instead of 53% at challenger and 40% at bronze. Zed works this way with shadow attacks. So does Heimerdinger rockets. So does Fiora ult. Oh wait, you said DON'T, my bad. Reading comprehension. | ||
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