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[Patch 4.16] Azir General Discussion - Page 42

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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
September 15 2014 23:10 GMT
#821
New hero is pretty unique, thats awesome
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
September 15 2014 23:14 GMT
#822
I am doing some Azir itemization math and I need a reference champion.

Who is an AP mid that these days commonly doesn't buy Athene/Morello and just goes 2x dorans? Ahri?
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-15 23:17:07
September 15 2014 23:16 GMT
#823
Yasuo has 2 passives.

Brand wouldn't want to go Grail, he likes the CDR and needs some mana regen because he isn't cancer Ziggs but if he can get away with double dring into Guise he'll do it.
Anyone laning against Zed.
Diana.
Akali.
Viktor (hue).
Lissandra.
Annie.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
lilwisper
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2515 Posts
September 15 2014 23:17 GMT
#824
I can only imagine how awesome Azir will look in the hands of Hai, Bjerg, Faker.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 15 2014 23:21 GMT
#825
On September 16 2014 08:16 Alaric wrote:
Yasuo has 2 passives.


I'm very confused whether you are attempting to suggest Yasuo is a warning or a success story.
Freeeeeeedom
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-15 23:29:05
September 15 2014 23:28 GMT
#826
Simply that it isn't new. Besides, why would you look at that and not at his ult (and visibly cooldowns and effective range, according to the last clips of the video) when talking about power creep? They even show that it's not that you don't dash through the wall, but that it evens cc you for attempting so!
The utility alone on this spell is stronger and more broken than entire kits.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
September 15 2014 23:31 GMT
#827
Would be really cool if stuff like Unstoppable Force actually pushed the soldiers out of the way and made a hole in the wall.
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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
September 15 2014 23:42 GMT
#828
On September 16 2014 07:47 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2014 07:40 Fusilero wrote:

Azir champion spotlight is out, have fun.


I LOVE how it starts.

Very first line "Azir has two passives"

Power creep much? Rita plz.

Considering how Poppy's now baseline 50% winrate with no buffs, I don't think there's power creep.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
September 16 2014 00:04 GMT
#829
On September 16 2014 08:42 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2014 07:47 Ketara wrote:
On September 16 2014 07:40 Fusilero wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqH4AA-KEgQ
Azir champion spotlight is out, have fun.


I LOVE how it starts.

Very first line "Azir has two passives"

Power creep much? Rita plz.

Considering how Poppy's now baseline 50% winrate with no buffs, I don't think there's power creep.

I'm sure that if Poppy was a tall, lightly clothed female with big boobs and high heels she would have dominated the game, would have gotten nerfed on several different occasions and would be a top competitive pick
Her kit is disgusting OP, only reason no1 plays her is she's ugly
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
September 16 2014 00:09 GMT
#830
Yeah, that's why Tristana's so popular. She's just so hot.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-16 00:57:07
September 16 2014 00:10 GMT
#831
So, here's a little bit of preliminary math for people wanting to screw with Azir when he comes out:

I wanted to figure out what CDR item he wants, which basically boils down to how much regen does he need.

+ Show Spoiler +

At level 18, spamming Q+W+E all on cooldown with 40% CDR and no mana regen items, Azir runs out of mana in 33.8 seconds.

For comparison, Lux (common Athenes requirement champ) runs out in 25 seconds.

Kayle (2x dorans into Nashors champ) runs out in 31.36 seconds.


Considering that he also probably won't be spamming spells in extended sieges (he'll probably keep soldiers up but won't Q on cooldown or E at all) I don't think he'll be especially needy of mana regen.


As such, double dorans into Nashors actually seems good, even though sand soldiers don't get the Nashors Passive. CDR + ASPD is probably still worth.

You'll probably still auto as Azir from time to time anyway.



I also wanted to look at possible rune options.

+ Show Spoiler +

At level 1, Azir's attackspeed is 0.556
He should have about 22 AP from items/masteries.

With AP quints, the DPS of a level 1 sand soldier is: 42.5896
With CDR quints, the DPS of a level 1 sand soldier is: 39.71375 (2.87585 less)

At level 2:
With AP quints: 45.7588
With CDR quints: 43.399136 (2.359664 less)

So the DPS is similar, and will scale better with CDR quints than with AP quints.


But you might say Ketara, Azir's Q will be stronger with AP runes! And yes, it will do more damage sure.

But its ratio isn't great (0.5), his E ratio is even worse (0.4) and his ult will mostly be used for utility.

Plus, critically, CDR quints will allow Azir to Q twice with the same sand soldier from level 3. With AP quints he won't be able to do this till level 5. CDR quints also increase his utility and AA DPS.


As for reds, here are DPS numbers against a 42 MR target (common no MR items but MR runes player)

Level 1 with ASPD reds: 31.96

Level 1 with split pen reds: 29.111



Based on all that, the build I'd probably try first is Double Dorans into Nashors, with ASPD reds, Armor yellows, MR blues and CDR quints.

Q max so you can Q twice with the same soldier.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
September 16 2014 00:19 GMT
#832
did anyone catch flame or any of the other korean progamers streaming on azubu today?
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
September 16 2014 00:20 GMT
#833
Damn Ketara you're really tryharding this champ lol
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
September 16 2014 00:24 GMT
#834
On September 16 2014 09:20 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Damn Ketara you're really tryharding this champ lol


It's FUN and for once I actually LIKE THE KIT.

Shut up :<
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
September 16 2014 00:24 GMT
#835
In fairness, this champ looks super badass. Tryhard away.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-16 00:26:19
September 16 2014 00:25 GMT
#836
On September 16 2014 07:51 Chexx wrote:
Here is my second [Pro Inside]
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2gi4pc/pro_inside_interview_with_cpt_jack_about_why_he/

Good stuff. I really like the first generation players and always hope they can keep going.

Also this article had much less mistakes than the one before.
Off-season = best season
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-16 00:31:28
September 16 2014 00:31 GMT
#837
You know how two Azir soldiers hitting a target with Azir's Q only does 150% damage instead of 200%?

Do they have any champions that don't have a damage penalty for hitting both parts of a skill? I think Anivia Q can hit twice for double damage if you let the pass through and detonation connect, but I'm not sure of any others.

I feel like it lowers the skill cap on a champion which also allows it to have a more consistent win rate across tiers instead of 53% at challenger and 40% at bronze.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
September 16 2014 00:48 GMT
#838
On September 16 2014 09:31 obesechicken13 wrote:
You know how two Azir soldiers hitting a target with Azir's Q only does 150% damage instead of 200%?

Do they have any champions that don't have a damage penalty for hitting both parts of a skill? I think Anivia Q can hit twice for double damage if you let the pass through and detonation connect, but I'm not sure of any others.

I feel like it lowers the skill cap on a champion which also allows it to have a more consistent win rate across tiers instead of 53% at challenger and 40% at bronze.


Ahri does more damage from hitting the second part.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
September 16 2014 00:49 GMT
#839

never forget
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-16 00:56:13
September 16 2014 00:54 GMT
#840
On September 16 2014 09:31 obesechicken13 wrote:
You know how two Azir soldiers hitting a target with Azir's Q only does 150% damage instead of 200%?

Do they have any champions that don't have a damage penalty for hitting both parts of a skill? I think Anivia Q can hit twice for double damage if you let the pass through and detonation connect, but I'm not sure of any others.

I feel like it lowers the skill cap on a champion which also allows it to have a more consistent win rate across tiers instead of 53% at challenger and 40% at bronze.


Zed works this way with shadow attacks.

So does Heimerdinger rockets.

So does Fiora ult.


Oh wait, you said DON'T, my bad. Reading comprehension.
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