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sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
September 15 2014 06:11 GMT
#761
Going to try out Top Maokai as I really don't have a tanky top besides Malph/Nasus, who can both fall into a lot of bad matchups.

Just going to assume considering his passive, going flat HP yellows and Quints are probably ideal on him? And maybe MR blues and MPen reds?
Forever Young
las91
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States5080 Posts
September 15 2014 06:11 GMT
#762
On September 15 2014 13:59 739 wrote:
Seriously, my LeeSin is a retard magnet in solo queue. Doesn't matter how good I will play, how many kills I'll donate to our laners, they're still gonna fail and feed.


Sounds like my Kha'Zix this week, went 0-6 even with decent games throughout lOl
In Inca we trust
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
September 15 2014 06:22 GMT
#763
Ever since Kha'Zix lost his damage reduction on his ult, I think I've gone something like 1-9 on him, I just can't seem to be good with him anymore, like I'm either not getting resets or not doing enough damage with him. I've tried W first builds, E first builds, etc., and nothing just seems to work.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 15 2014 06:29 GMT
#764
On September 15 2014 15:22 Kinie wrote:
Ever since Kha'Zix lost his damage reduction on his ult, I think I've gone something like 1-9 on him, I just can't seem to be good with him anymore, like I'm either not getting resets or not doing enough damage with him. I've tried W first builds, E first builds, etc., and nothing just seems to work.

Just play him like a poke champ in teamfights. Just spam w until you see reasonably low target you can reset on.
liftlift > tsm
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
September 15 2014 06:32 GMT
#765
On September 15 2014 15:11 sung_moon wrote:
Going to try out Top Maokai as I really don't have a tanky top besides Malph/Nasus, who can both fall into a lot of bad matchups.

Just going to assume considering his passive, going flat HP yellows and Quints are probably ideal on him? And maybe MR blues and MPen reds?

I run AP Quints, MPen/ARpen reds, MR blues and Armor yellows.
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-15 06:40:50
September 15 2014 06:40 GMT
#766
On September 15 2014 15:11 sung_moon wrote:
Going to try out Top Maokai as I really don't have a tanky top besides Malph/Nasus, who can both fall into a lot of bad matchups.

Just going to assume considering his passive, going flat HP yellows and Quints are probably ideal on him? And maybe MR blues and MPen reds?

Actually, wouldn't armour yellows be better because he has natural sustain?
chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
September 15 2014 07:02 GMT
#767
not that it's really applicable for most people, but i think this piglet replay starting W on miss fortune does a decent job of illustrating why pros use attack speed runes.

Anakko
Profile Joined August 2012
France1934 Posts
September 15 2014 07:15 GMT
#768
Pretty impressive how at 4.10, he moves in front of a bunch of purple ranged minions to trade agressively, and barely takes any minion aggro in return. How?
TrAce/Cpt Jack for president (or both)
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
September 15 2014 07:21 GMT
#769
nobody is questioning AS quints considering they are worth way more than AD from gold perspective its just the fact they use 4 extra AS glyphs, why 4 and not 5 or 9 then ?
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
September 15 2014 07:54 GMT
#770
On September 15 2014 16:15 Anakko wrote:
Pretty impressive how at 4.10, he moves in front of a bunch of purple ranged minions to trade agressively, and barely takes any minion aggro in return. How?

1) flat armor yellows,

2) MF has VERY high base stats.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 15 2014 08:08 GMT
#771
Maokai's sustain is %HP, so he gets as much EHP from HP as from resistances, contrary to lifesteal or something like Shyvana's passive.

In my last games I've had spells not hitting people though the models clearly collide, and minions my auto kills (not living with a pixel of HP then a mage minion finishes it off) not credit me gold. Wtf's going on Riot? ><"

On September 15 2014 12:36 Kinie wrote:
Just had a game where I went 13/0/17 on Vi. She's definitely not one of the fotm junglers right now, but if you know how to play her, she's pretty good.

Just wait till Trist knocks you away during your ult, or you try to run from that Kha'Zix using Q and because he's right behind you you hit him somehow instead of dashing over that wall and die for it.

On September 15 2014 16:15 Anakko wrote:
Pretty impressive how at 4.10, he moves in front of a bunch of purple ranged minions to trade agressively, and barely takes any minion aggro in return. How?

Did he not take damage, or not take aggro? If you're in range of the minions but your target is out of their aggro range, they won't attack you.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
September 15 2014 08:58 GMT
#772
On September 15 2014 16:15 Anakko wrote:
Pretty impressive how at 4.10, he moves in front of a bunch of purple ranged minions to trade agressively, and barely takes any minion aggro in return. How?


Just like towers in order to take agro both people (the attacker and the attacked) need to be in range of the minions. Twitch wasn't close enough.
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
September 15 2014 09:09 GMT
#773
On September 15 2014 17:08 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2014 12:36 Kinie wrote:
Just had a game where I went 13/0/17 on Vi. She's definitely not one of the fotm junglers right now, but if you know how to play her, she's pretty good.

Just wait till Trist knocks you away during your ult, or you try to run from that Kha'Zix using Q and because he's right behind you you hit him somehow instead of dashing over that wall and die for it.


Listen, as a Vi main, I can't tell you the number of times I've had Trist shoot me back with her ult while I'm ulting, or me getting CCed mid-ult by a Syndra or Lissandra, or DYING mid-ult and STILL having the ult finish (ie., lift into air + ground pound) even if the ult doesn't deal its damage.

Or how her full power Q will go over the wide wall on blue side wraiths into mid (near the turret) but won't go over wide wall on purple side wraiths into mid (near the turret), even though the map is supposed to be symmetrical (mostly).

Or how sometimes you'll be able to Q - AA - E (W passive proc) when you only right click your target once, but other times you only get Q - E.

Probably the dumbest bug I had happen was I was trying to Q away from a Leona, she Zenith Blade'ed onto me as I let the charge go. The E misses my model (she aimed where I was at) but because my hitbox is still in that area the Blade connects. She is pulled along like she is supposed to, lands onto me, all the while the Q channel hits her and throws her in front of me, stopping my movement and her model blocks me from moving for .1 seconds, which is long enough for the Vayne behind her to Q - AA - E me into the wall and kill me.

She is a strong champion, but damn if she doesn't have a TON of bugs, most of them on her Q and ult.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 15 2014 09:29 GMT
#774
Are you sure about the wraiths' wall thing? Since it's a straight dash, she can't jump big walls the way Kass/Ez/Fiddle do (or you "extend" wards), and sometimes you won't pass some walls because you're going diagonally, so even if the wall isn't thick enough by itself, with the angle the amount you have to go through is wider than your jump length.

Been maining Vi till seeing too many Ziggs/Tristana/Lulu/Thresh every team every game made her a liablity more than anything else (plus she isn't strong lategame anyway, unless you've got a bursty comp vs a non-disengage comp). Then again I've switched to Nautilus and his Q shares some bugs with hers (typically what you described with Leona; no need to dash though, just standing behind or to the side, as the hitbox doesn't start in front of them like it should) and I can't pick him early because I have to make sure my team has the common sense of not picking low damage champs afterwards (or Vayne when we have Morgana and they have Lucian+Lulu, that guy was adamant he'd win 'cause he "only had to farm" what a moron ><").
Since stuff like Ahri and Zed becomes popular again, I guess if Tristana is banned and they don't have Thresh or Nami for the disengage I can pick her. On the other hand after having more Nautilus' Q glitch out than work properly (friggin' anchor is inside the wall/the enemy champion's model, why the heck don't I get pulled) I'm wary of having the same happen with hers.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22051 Posts
September 15 2014 10:12 GMT
#775
On September 15 2014 13:04 Complete wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2014 09:23 Gorsameth wrote:
On September 15 2014 08:19 Complete wrote:
2 questions

1) When does World Finals start? It's the only pro LoL I usually end up watching every year :p

2) Does anybody play Swain much? Every guide I've read says R>E>Q>W, but I'm having a hard time with a 16s CD on W for most of the game...I guess I need to be more careful using it...

Worlds starts thursday. the finals themselves are sunday 19 oct

check http://euw.lolesports.com/worlds/2014/worlds-2014/schedule/group_a_and_b for more details.

Yo are those times in Taiwan? Cuz that's like...sleep o clock...

:'(

There are roughly 3 parts in the world. US/EU/Asia. You can only be on in any sort of sensible time for 2 of those. In this case its EU and Asia so yes the US gets screwed a bit.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Chemiczny84
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland458 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-15 10:44:11
September 15 2014 10:42 GMT
#776
http://www.esportswtf.com/ didn't see this here, sorry if already posted, nice site to keep track of LCS players in soloQ. For now it looks like Rekkles and Froggen are closest to joining Hai in challenger. Also Soaz definitely most creative when it comes to summoner names XD
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35165 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-15 11:31:08
September 15 2014 11:30 GMT
#777
On September 15 2014 16:02 chalice wrote:
not that it's really applicable for most people, but i think this piglet replay starting W on miss fortune does a decent job of illustrating why pros use attack speed runes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9t_u1TK-8E

Not really. I'm pretty sure that Twitch is using them too, it isn't a new trend, and W active gives literally 10 times the benefit of 4 AS glyphs.

On September 15 2014 13:59 739 wrote:
Seriously, my LeeSin is a retard magnet in solo queue. Doesn't matter how good I will play, how many kills I'll donate to our laners, they're still gonna fail and feed.

That might be part of your issue right there.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
September 15 2014 11:33 GMT
#778
On September 15 2014 20:30 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2014 16:02 chalice wrote:
not that it's really applicable for most people, but i think this piglet replay starting W on miss fortune does a decent job of illustrating why pros use attack speed runes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9t_u1TK-8E

Not really. I'm pretty sure that Twitch is using them too, it isn't a new trend, and W active gives literally 10 times the benefit of 4 AS glyphs.

Show nested quote +
On September 15 2014 13:59 739 wrote:
Seriously, my LeeSin is a retard magnet in solo queue. Doesn't matter how good I will play, how many kills I'll donate to our laners, they're still gonna fail and feed.

That might be part of your issue right there.

Nope. Yesterday same thing, I've actually take every time, I was like 10-2 in mid game and we still lost. Can't carry with Lee, I suck.
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 15 2014 12:06 GMT
#779
On September 15 2014 20:30 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2014 16:02 chalice wrote:
not that it's really applicable for most people, but i think this piglet replay starting W on miss fortune does a decent job of illustrating why pros use attack speed runes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9t_u1TK-8E

Not really. I'm pretty sure that Twitch is using them too, it isn't a new trend, and W active gives literally 10 times the benefit of 4 AS glyphs.

Show nested quote +
On September 15 2014 13:59 739 wrote:
Seriously, my LeeSin is a retard magnet in solo queue. Doesn't matter how good I will play, how many kills I'll donate to our laners, they're still gonna fail and feed.

That might be part of your issue right there.


I think the actual solution is to play a different jungler.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-15 12:17:48
September 15 2014 12:17 GMT
#780
On September 15 2014 19:12 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2014 13:04 Complete wrote:
On September 15 2014 09:23 Gorsameth wrote:
On September 15 2014 08:19 Complete wrote:
2 questions

1) When does World Finals start? It's the only pro LoL I usually end up watching every year :p

2) Does anybody play Swain much? Every guide I've read says R>E>Q>W, but I'm having a hard time with a 16s CD on W for most of the game...I guess I need to be more careful using it...

Worlds starts thursday. the finals themselves are sunday 19 oct

check http://euw.lolesports.com/worlds/2014/worlds-2014/schedule/group_a_and_b for more details.

Yo are those times in Taiwan? Cuz that's like...sleep o clock...

:'(

There are roughly 3 parts in the world. US/EU/Asia. You can only be on in any sort of sensible time for 2 of those. In this case its EU and Asia so yes the US gets screwed a bit.

I think my move to east coast might let me catch the games. Pretty much have to sleep at like 8pm, wake up at 5 and then watch til it's over at work if I can.
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