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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
August 31 2014 00:08 GMT
#581
Played about 10 matches today. Only won when I was Alistar but my final game I won mid-lane as Orianna vs Cassiopeia who harassed me so hard. I'm starting to feel a lot more comfortable with Orianna but I think my lack of item knowledge is haltering me as I was able to be a massive impact against the enemy team but if I get caught out once, I'm dead.

https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
ArchAngelSC
Profile Joined April 2012
England706 Posts
August 31 2014 00:24 GMT
#582
Sounds more like a positional/map awareness issue than an item knowledge issue.

Remember to always look at your minimap every few seconds. If you can't see members of the enemy team and don't know where they are, make sure you're somewhere safe.
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
August 31 2014 01:17 GMT
#583
On August 31 2014 09:08 Torte de Lini wrote:
Played about 10 matches today. Only won when I was Alistar but my final game I won mid-lane as Orianna vs Cassiopeia who harassed me so hard. I'm starting to feel a lot more comfortable with Orianna but I think my lack of item knowledge is haltering me as I was able to be a massive impact against the enemy team but if I get caught out once, I'm dead.



As mid, rush athenes > Void > Dcap, works every time. D: Dcap over void if you're like super fed or can afford big rod when you go B
Useless wet fish.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
August 31 2014 01:30 GMT
#584
On August 31 2014 10:17 Capped wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2014 09:08 Torte de Lini wrote:
Played about 10 matches today. Only won when I was Alistar but my final game I won mid-lane as Orianna vs Cassiopeia who harassed me so hard. I'm starting to feel a lot more comfortable with Orianna but I think my lack of item knowledge is haltering me as I was able to be a massive impact against the enemy team but if I get caught out once, I'm dead.



As mid, rush athenes > Void > Dcap, works every time. D: Dcap over void if you're like super fed or can afford big rod when you go B


I'll try this now as I'm queuing.

Also, to contribute to a discussion. Is Varus role-confused or what? His abilities are cool and I feel would be awesome with more AP but his passive demands AD. I just tried him in ARAM and I love his Q
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Crusnik
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5378 Posts
August 31 2014 01:46 GMT
#585
No, Varus as an AP is all about his burst, plus, his W scales only a single percent with every 100AP you get, so by spending ~10k gold on Dcap/void/zhonyas or DFG, you'll do a lot of damage, to that single person that you root with your ult, auto 3 times and hit with Q. All told, you'll do maybe 1600 damage, if you're lucky I think.

WIth that same amount of gold spent on AD and attack speed, you'll be able to proc his Blighted Quiver with your E instead, and get 4 procs instead of the 3 you can get normally (Unless that's been patched out...?)

His Q also scales something like 160% of your AD with a full range cast, I've sniped so many kills using that skill. Granted, I haven't played him recently, since I lost interest in LoL compared to dota, especially with all the server issues recently.
Steam: rook492
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-31 02:27:36
August 31 2014 02:22 GMT
#586
On August 31 2014 10:46 Crusnik wrote:
No, Varus as an AP is all about his burst, plus, his W scales only a single percent with every 100AP you get, so by spending ~10k gold on Dcap/void/zhonyas or DFG, you'll do a lot of damage, to that single person that you root with your ult, auto 3 times and hit with Q. All told, you'll do maybe 1600 damage, if you're lucky I think.

WIth that same amount of gold spent on AD and attack speed, you'll be able to proc his Blighted Quiver with your E instead, and get 4 procs instead of the 3 you can get normally (Unless that's been patched out...?)

His Q also scales something like 160% of your AD with a full range cast, I've sniped so many kills using that skill. Granted, I haven't played him recently, since I lost interest in LoL compared to dota, especially with all the server issues recently.


What? Varus W scales 2% per 100ap PER STACK. Absurd scaling.

A single Varus 400 ap full blight proc does 39% of targets max health. He's kind of cool to play AP tankbuster, but he is hard to position and actually plays pretty similar to AD just with burstier damage. He's the ultimate in percent health damage.



In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
August 31 2014 02:28 GMT
#587
NA's imploding.... Again...
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
August 31 2014 02:29 GMT
#588
On August 31 2014 11:22 sob3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2014 10:46 Crusnik wrote:
No, Varus as an AP is all about his burst, plus, his W scales only a single percent with every 100AP you get, so by spending ~10k gold on Dcap/void/zhonyas or DFG, you'll do a lot of damage, to that single person that you root with your ult, auto 3 times and hit with Q. All told, you'll do maybe 1600 damage, if you're lucky I think.

WIth that same amount of gold spent on AD and attack speed, you'll be able to proc his Blighted Quiver with your E instead, and get 4 procs instead of the 3 you can get normally (Unless that's been patched out...?)

His Q also scales something like 160% of your AD with a full range cast, I've sniped so many kills using that skill. Granted, I haven't played him recently, since I lost interest in LoL compared to dota, especially with all the server issues recently.


What? Varus W scales 2% per 100ap PER STACK. Absurd scaling.

A single Varus 400 ap full blight proc does 39% of targets max health. He's kind of cool to play AP tankbuster, but he is hard to position and actually plays pretty similar to AD just with burstier damage. He's the ultimate in percent health damage.




Tl;dr AP Varus is kind of cool but don't try it if you're still struggling to learn the game
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Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
August 31 2014 02:29 GMT
#589
On August 31 2014 11:28 Kinie wrote:
NA's imploding.... Again...

Yep. Just wanted to get my FWOTD from a bot(on hotel internet atm). Games not starting =(
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
August 31 2014 02:33 GMT
#590
On August 31 2014 10:17 Capped wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2014 09:08 Torte de Lini wrote:
Played about 10 matches today. Only won when I was Alistar but my final game I won mid-lane as Orianna vs Cassiopeia who harassed me so hard. I'm starting to feel a lot more comfortable with Orianna but I think my lack of item knowledge is haltering me as I was able to be a massive impact against the enemy team but if I get caught out once, I'm dead.



As mid, rush athenes > Void > Dcap, works every time. D: Dcap over void if you're like super fed or can afford big rod when you go B


[image loading]

I didn't do especially well as I won then lost mid but your build worked (mostly because Nasus wrecked later on)
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
August 31 2014 02:50 GMT
#591
I'd recommend getting dcap then void after grail since you want to be able to waveclear better and void doesn't really do that much for you against minions.
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
August 31 2014 02:55 GMT
#592
On August 31 2014 11:33 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2014 10:17 Capped wrote:
On August 31 2014 09:08 Torte de Lini wrote:
Played about 10 matches today. Only won when I was Alistar but my final game I won mid-lane as Orianna vs Cassiopeia who harassed me so hard. I'm starting to feel a lot more comfortable with Orianna but I think my lack of item knowledge is haltering me as I was able to be a massive impact against the enemy team but if I get caught out once, I'm dead.



As mid, rush athenes > Void > Dcap, works every time. D: Dcap over void if you're like super fed or can afford big rod when you go B


[image loading]

I didn't do especially well as I won then lost mid but your build worked (mostly because Nasus wrecked later on)


Yeah, that shits cookie cutter on any non-unique AP mid. Which is 97.5% of them.

Riot doing a good job of taking all the fun out of the games itemization.
Useless wet fish.
Neverhood
Profile Joined August 2009
United States5388 Posts
August 31 2014 02:58 GMT
#593
Fuck I just wanna take advantage of the double IP but servers are rip as usual
Jaedong :D
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
August 31 2014 03:05 GMT
#594
What problems are the servers having now? Lizardsquad is apparently dead, so shouldn't be any DDoSing.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Crusnik
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5378 Posts
August 31 2014 03:12 GMT
#595
On August 31 2014 11:22 sob3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2014 10:46 Crusnik wrote:
No, Varus as an AP is all about his burst, plus, his W scales only a single percent with every 100AP you get, so by spending ~10k gold on Dcap/void/zhonyas or DFG, you'll do a lot of damage, to that single person that you root with your ult, auto 3 times and hit with Q. All told, you'll do maybe 1600 damage, if you're lucky I think.

WIth that same amount of gold spent on AD and attack speed, you'll be able to proc his Blighted Quiver with your E instead, and get 4 procs instead of the 3 you can get normally (Unless that's been patched out...?)

His Q also scales something like 160% of your AD with a full range cast, I've sniped so many kills using that skill. Granted, I haven't played him recently, since I lost interest in LoL compared to dota, especially with all the server issues recently.


What? Varus W scales 2% per 100ap PER STACK. Absurd scaling.

A single Varus 400 ap full blight proc does 39% of targets max health. He's kind of cool to play AP tankbuster, but he is hard to position and actually plays pretty similar to AD just with burstier damage. He's the ultimate in percent health damage.





Really? I thought it was only 1% per stack, my bad. Like I said though, I haven't played League in a while, and the last time I played, I keep getting shoehorned into support/semi-carry roles.

Guess I need to play a ranked game sometime to avoid decay though...
Steam: rook492
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
August 31 2014 03:14 GMT
#596
On the Soraka rework:

Soraka converts 20% of her Bonus Magic Resists and Bonus Armor into Abililty Power.


So apparently this means that if you buy thornmail, it only gives you 80 armour instead of 100 and the other 20 turns into AP...? Why is this a thing?
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
August 31 2014 03:16 GMT
#597
probably because there is no way to rework soraka into a playable character without making her tank version too strong. So its an okay way to detract from building her tanky but meh.
I come in for the scraps
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
August 31 2014 03:18 GMT
#598
On August 31 2014 11:22 sob3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2014 10:46 Crusnik wrote:
No, Varus as an AP is all about his burst, plus, his W scales only a single percent with every 100AP you get, so by spending ~10k gold on Dcap/void/zhonyas or DFG, you'll do a lot of damage, to that single person that you root with your ult, auto 3 times and hit with Q. All told, you'll do maybe 1600 damage, if you're lucky I think.

WIth that same amount of gold spent on AD and attack speed, you'll be able to proc his Blighted Quiver with your E instead, and get 4 procs instead of the 3 you can get normally (Unless that's been patched out...?)

His Q also scales something like 160% of your AD with a full range cast, I've sniped so many kills using that skill. Granted, I haven't played him recently, since I lost interest in LoL compared to dota, especially with all the server issues recently.


What? Varus W scales 2% per 100ap PER STACK. Absurd scaling.

A single Varus 400 ap full blight proc does 39% of targets max health. He's kind of cool to play AP tankbuster, but he is hard to position and actually plays pretty similar to AD just with burstier damage. He's the ultimate in percent health damage.




I always want to try Varus on hit AP style and build him similar to Kayle. Nashor's would be in in there, maybe even a Wit's End for some hilarity. I never have to guts to do it though. I do really like Varus, he's my go to when I have to ADC.
Crusnik
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5378 Posts
August 31 2014 03:26 GMT
#599
On August 31 2014 12:14 GolemMadness wrote:
On the Soraka rework:

Show nested quote +
Soraka converts 20% of her Bonus Magic Resists and Bonus Armor into Abililty Power.


So apparently this means that if you buy thornmail, it only gives you 80 armour instead of 100 and the other 20 turns into AP...? Why is this a thing?


Not sure I follow, I read that as it taking 20% of the bonus values and using that as bonus AP. Do other skills work that way and I just never noticed or is it a new mechanic/poorly worded?
Steam: rook492
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35165 Posts
August 31 2014 03:34 GMT
#600
On August 31 2014 12:26 Crusnik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2014 12:14 GolemMadness wrote:
On the Soraka rework:

Soraka converts 20% of her Bonus Magic Resists and Bonus Armor into Abililty Power.


So apparently this means that if you buy thornmail, it only gives you 80 armour instead of 100 and the other 20 turns into AP...? Why is this a thing?


Not sure I follow, I read that as it taking 20% of the bonus values and using that as bonus AP. Do other skills work that way and I just never noticed or is it a new mechanic/poorly worded?

It's probably just poor wording.
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