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Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
August 12 2014 22:06 GMT
#41
I think the 6 points will also mess with last hits in the early levels (like level 1-3), though since this isn't Dota 2 and there's no creep denial, it's not that big of a deal. It's mainly to stop how safe she can harass with AAs and the ball while still getting good last hits.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-12 22:14:19
August 12 2014 22:07 GMT
#42
On August 13 2014 06:09 LaNague wrote:
morgana is her Q, always was.
The long Q, the weakness without Q and the soul shackles is what defines her.

Its not an easy skill to aim, it has a cast time and its pretty slow.

Actually when she was popular early in s2 it was her W. AoE comps consolidated themselves as the main playstyle of the period and her R added to that identity, especially alongside picks like Kennen.
Later on when she began resurfacing as a support she was defined by her E. It's only now that stuff like Leona and Thresh have receded that her Q's at the helm.

I find it interesting in a way. But it also shows how awkward her kit can be (especially W's usage against champions).

On August 13 2014 06:25 Embir wrote:
Am I see a constant pattern here? I play LoL for about year and a half and I can only see constant cycle of nerfs. It looks like this to me:

1) Some heroes are strong, thus RIOT nerf them to allow new heroes to emerge
2) New heroes emerge (as planned) RIOT nerf them too, to allow next bunch of heroes to emerge
3) repeat ad nauseum all above

Seriously are Rioteers fucking idiots? Because it is becoming really frustrating to play this game. After some epic Kha'Zix nerfs i stopped buiyng skins. Now I slowly start to hating learning new champs - why should I invest time to learning new champ if he will be nerfed to the fucking ground?? (hi Rengo).

Am I the only one frustrated here?

Or, you know, you could try being good enough and knowledgeable enough about a champion that you're able to use him and be proficient with him regardless of buffs or nerfs (obvously barring meta-dependant champions like Vi or Swain, and huge nerfbat hits like Olaf's).
Irelia was the 2nd champion I ever bought, I mained her in s2 and stopped playing her in s3 because she wasn't effective enough anymore. Meanwhile I played a bunch of Jax who had a pretty similar playstyle to me, enough that my skills transferred and I could work on him. Now he's been nerfed and strong enough early game champions have emerged to punish him, but I still know Irelia and she's doing rather well in soloQ, so I can keep doing what I've been doing.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-12 22:13:14
August 12 2014 22:12 GMT
#43
On August 13 2014 07:05 Embir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2014 06:58 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On August 13 2014 06:25 Embir wrote:
Am I see a constant pattern here? I play LoL for about year and a half and I can only see constant cycle of nerfs. It looks like this to me:

1) Some heroes are strong, thus RIOT nerf them to allow new heroes to emerge
2) New heroes emerge (as planned) RIOT nerf them too, to allow next bunch of heroes to emerge
3) repeat ad nauseum all above

Seriously are Rioteers fucking idiots? Because it is becoming really frustrating to play this game. After some epic Kha'Zix nerfs i stopped buiyng skins. Now I slowly start to hating learning new champs - why should I invest time to learning new champ if he will be nerfed to the fucking ground?? (hi Rengo).

Am I the only one frustrated here?

Like, the reason you should learn champs is so you can play them all, because that makes you good at the game period and then it doesn't matter if 10 champs out of 120+ get nerfed or buffed in a cycle, you can still play. I think these balance changes are fine. What in particular are you mad about?


No one can be good at 120+ champions. Period.
And what am I mad about? I am mad about constant nerfs, which do more harm then good - as I said in earlier post RIOT doesn't try to balance anything, only force metagame shifts, without looking at actual balance. This is problem. Oh, and sometimes fucks champions really bad this way (hi nerfed to the ground Kha'Zix from some patches ago).


Riot is doing a pretty good job at nerfing all the best champions and even the best champions now aren't nearly as broken as the op ones were before. They released a lot of OP champs that made a lot more nerfs necessary though.

You shouldn't whine, if want to pick and play only the most OP champions, and then complain when they get nerfed, and they whine riot sucking at balancing? Either you play the champs you like or you play what's OP. If you play the OP shit and keep switching then you have no right to complain, because by definition it was good balancing.

Metagame shifts have a lot to do with balance, if you have OP assassins like khazix shit then people play safer AD likes cait and now people start to break out vayne and kog.
Embir
Profile Joined January 2011
Poland567 Posts
August 12 2014 22:21 GMT
#44
On August 13 2014 07:12 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2014 07:05 Embir wrote:
On August 13 2014 06:58 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On August 13 2014 06:25 Embir wrote:
Am I see a constant pattern here? I play LoL for about year and a half and I can only see constant cycle of nerfs. It looks like this to me:

1) Some heroes are strong, thus RIOT nerf them to allow new heroes to emerge
2) New heroes emerge (as planned) RIOT nerf them too, to allow next bunch of heroes to emerge
3) repeat ad nauseum all above

Seriously are Rioteers fucking idiots? Because it is becoming really frustrating to play this game. After some epic Kha'Zix nerfs i stopped buiyng skins. Now I slowly start to hating learning new champs - why should I invest time to learning new champ if he will be nerfed to the fucking ground?? (hi Rengo).

Am I the only one frustrated here?

Like, the reason you should learn champs is so you can play them all, because that makes you good at the game period and then it doesn't matter if 10 champs out of 120+ get nerfed or buffed in a cycle, you can still play. I think these balance changes are fine. What in particular are you mad about?


No one can be good at 120+ champions. Period.
And what am I mad about? I am mad about constant nerfs, which do more harm then good - as I said in earlier post RIOT doesn't try to balance anything, only force metagame shifts, without looking at actual balance. This is problem. Oh, and sometimes fucks champions really bad this way (hi nerfed to the ground Kha'Zix from some patches ago).


Riot is doing a pretty good job at nerfing all the best champions and even the best champions now aren't nearly as broken as the op ones were before. They released a lot of OP champs that made a lot more nerfs necessary though.

You shouldn't whine, if want to pick and play only the most OP champions, and then complain when they get nerfed, and they whine riot sucking at balancing? Either you play the champs you like or you play what's OP. If you play the OP shit and keep switching then you have no right to complain, because by definition it was good balancing.

Metagame shifts have a lot to do with balance, if you have OP assassins like khazix shit then people play safer AD likes cait and now people start to break out vayne and kog.


You don't understand. I am all for nerfs that will even champion selection field. Unfortunately it is not the case with Rioteers, they just can't balance, they can only nerf champions to the ground thus forcing metagame shifts. We don't have situation where 120 champs are equal, they dont even try to achieve this with champions changes. Now we have situation where roughly 20-30 champions are viable, rest are trash - suddenly nerfbat will hit next patch, current top picks will come down the toilet and another narrow closed group of viable picks wil be formed - repeat above with another patch. Look at recent nerfs for Kha Zix - I admit, he was really powerful, but constant patching didn't balanced him, it nerfed him to the ground.
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
August 12 2014 22:22 GMT
#45
is it just me or is Pobelters stream pretty cool, chill and not full of excuses, blame and flame.
dunno, one of the better pro streams
TL+ Member
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
August 12 2014 22:22 GMT
#46
On August 13 2014 07:03 Goumindong wrote:
Ori losing 6 AD is a pretty big nerf considering a lot of her early game power is tied up in auto attacks. It might not ruin her but its still pretty big

good thing her autos hurt because of her passive and not her fucking 47 ad
Bronze player stuck in platinum
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
August 12 2014 22:22 GMT
#47
they fucking killed AP kog

FUUUUUUUCK WHY
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 12 2014 22:33 GMT
#48
If the AD nerf to Ori was at least partially mitigated by buffing her passive at early levels it'd be okay, but expect many Ori players to all of a sudden not be able to CS
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-12 22:38:25
August 12 2014 22:38 GMT
#49
On August 13 2014 07:22 Nos- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2014 07:03 Goumindong wrote:
Ori losing 6 AD is a pretty big nerf considering a lot of her early game power is tied up in auto attacks. It might not ruin her but its still pretty big

good thing her autos hurt because of her passive and not her fucking 47 ad


Damage is damage yo. If they reduced her passive damage by 6 would you think it was suddenly a material nerf?
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
August 12 2014 22:45 GMT
#50
Remember 500 range Lucian.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-12 22:46:42
August 12 2014 22:46 GMT
#51
On August 13 2014 07:21 Embir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2014 07:12 Slayer91 wrote:
On August 13 2014 07:05 Embir wrote:
On August 13 2014 06:58 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On August 13 2014 06:25 Embir wrote:
Am I see a constant pattern here? I play LoL for about year and a half and I can only see constant cycle of nerfs. It looks like this to me:

1) Some heroes are strong, thus RIOT nerf them to allow new heroes to emerge
2) New heroes emerge (as planned) RIOT nerf them too, to allow next bunch of heroes to emerge
3) repeat ad nauseum all above

Seriously are Rioteers fucking idiots? Because it is becoming really frustrating to play this game. After some epic Kha'Zix nerfs i stopped buiyng skins. Now I slowly start to hating learning new champs - why should I invest time to learning new champ if he will be nerfed to the fucking ground?? (hi Rengo).

Am I the only one frustrated here?

Like, the reason you should learn champs is so you can play them all, because that makes you good at the game period and then it doesn't matter if 10 champs out of 120+ get nerfed or buffed in a cycle, you can still play. I think these balance changes are fine. What in particular are you mad about?


No one can be good at 120+ champions. Period.
And what am I mad about? I am mad about constant nerfs, which do more harm then good - as I said in earlier post RIOT doesn't try to balance anything, only force metagame shifts, without looking at actual balance. This is problem. Oh, and sometimes fucks champions really bad this way (hi nerfed to the ground Kha'Zix from some patches ago).


Riot is doing a pretty good job at nerfing all the best champions and even the best champions now aren't nearly as broken as the op ones were before. They released a lot of OP champs that made a lot more nerfs necessary though.

You shouldn't whine, if want to pick and play only the most OP champions, and then complain when they get nerfed, and they whine riot sucking at balancing? Either you play the champs you like or you play what's OP. If you play the OP shit and keep switching then you have no right to complain, because by definition it was good balancing.

Metagame shifts have a lot to do with balance, if you have OP assassins like khazix shit then people play safer AD likes cait and now people start to break out vayne and kog.


You don't understand. I am all for nerfs that will even champion selection field. Unfortunately it is not the case with Rioteers, they just can't balance, they can only nerf champions to the ground thus forcing metagame shifts. We don't have situation where 120 champs are equal, they dont even try to achieve this with champions changes. Now we have situation where roughly 20-30 champions are viable, rest are trash - suddenly nerfbat will hit next patch, current top picks will come down the toilet and another narrow closed group of viable picks wil be formed - repeat above with another patch. Look at recent nerfs for Kha Zix - I admit, he was really powerful, but constant patching didn't balanced him, it nerfed him to the ground.


They don't really nerf them to the ground though, khazix is still better than like 50-60 other champions lol
i think champ selection is better than it has ever been in most cases
maybe top lane is a bit weird still but in solo q theres a lot less shit that is must ban that there has ever been
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
August 12 2014 22:47 GMT
#52
On August 13 2014 07:21 Embir wrote:
You don't understand. I am all for nerfs that will even champion selection field. Unfortunately it is not the case with Rioteers, they just can't balance, they can only nerf champions to the ground thus forcing metagame shifts. We don't have situation where 120 champs are equal, they dont even try to achieve this with champions changes. Now we have situation where roughly 20-30 champions are viable, rest are trash - suddenly nerfbat will hit next patch, current top picks will come down the toilet and another narrow closed group of viable picks wil be formed - repeat above with another patch. Look at recent nerfs for Kha Zix - I admit, he was really powerful, but constant patching didn't balanced him, it nerfed him to the ground.

You sound like an intelligent and reasoned authority on the subject of game balance. Indeed, Kha'Zix was "nerfed to the ground" so hard he was only picked 3 times in 7 games in the EU LCS summer playoffs last week.
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-12 22:49:07
August 12 2014 22:48 GMT
#53
thats pretty much to the ground when he was one of the best champs in the game lel
in 5's as an assassin if that doesn't say enough LOL
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
August 12 2014 23:01 GMT
#54
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-12 23:02:56
August 12 2014 23:02 GMT
#55
its queue
if you want to be lazy just type Q que is some sort of abomination
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
August 12 2014 23:08 GMT
#56
With Zed on the come back it's time to break out my Mordekaiser yet again.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
August 12 2014 23:28 GMT
#57
Patch thoughts

Gnar - Zzzzzzz
Kass - RIP
Kog - Why kill AP kog while trying to nerf AD kog.
Maokai - About where I expected the nerfs to be. His laning is still fine with the almost free Q, R usage isn't quite as free though.
Ori - Was this REALLY necessary? She bullied melee's, but most of her ranged matchups were fine.
Syndra - Why untargetable instead of invulnerable?
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
August 12 2014 23:32 GMT
#58
no bad matchups and is the strongest mid and late ap carry overall yeah seems fine
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
August 12 2014 23:41 GMT
#59
On August 13 2014 08:01 JimmiC wrote:
Everyone QQ's when there champ is not top pick status any more, doens't mean you can't play them in solo Que. If you only want to play champs considered top tier every game then sure you're going to have to learn new champs every patch, but if you just play the chapms you like. It's fine. And almost everything is playable in solo que so stop all the fucking crying!

With me, regarding Ori, I just think she is a necessity for the pro scene so long as they don't want Lulu to be a strong midlaner. She seems to be the only stable champion of her "archetype" for the lane, and I think it is a good archtype to have. It doesn't seem (to me at least) that they are doing this nerf with the hopes that Lulu/Janna/Zyra are going to be good midlane utility mage options and be able to compete with her for that position. Instead it seems like they are saying "its her turn for an adjustment" without understanding that she currently is serving as one of the only competitive champions that fills an important niche (if you value team and positional diversity).

That said, I think she is still good, and I will still play her lots.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
August 12 2014 23:43 GMT
#60
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