EPT[Patch 4.14] Gnar General Discussion - Page 3
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On August 13 2014 06:09 LaNague wrote: morgana is her Q, always was. The long Q, the weakness without Q and the soul shackles is what defines her. Its not an easy skill to aim, it has a cast time and its pretty slow. Actually when she was popular early in s2 it was her W. AoE comps consolidated themselves as the main playstyle of the period and her R added to that identity, especially alongside picks like Kennen. Later on when she began resurfacing as a support she was defined by her E. It's only now that stuff like Leona and Thresh have receded that her Q's at the helm. I find it interesting in a way. But it also shows how awkward her kit can be (especially W's usage against champions). On August 13 2014 06:25 Embir wrote: Am I see a constant pattern here? I play LoL for about year and a half and I can only see constant cycle of nerfs. It looks like this to me: 1) Some heroes are strong, thus RIOT nerf them to allow new heroes to emerge 2) New heroes emerge (as planned) RIOT nerf them too, to allow next bunch of heroes to emerge 3) repeat ad nauseum all above Seriously are Rioteers fucking idiots? Because it is becoming really frustrating to play this game. After some epic Kha'Zix nerfs i stopped buiyng skins. Now I slowly start to hating learning new champs - why should I invest time to learning new champ if he will be nerfed to the fucking ground?? (hi Rengo). Am I the only one frustrated here? Or, you know, you could try being good enough and knowledgeable enough about a champion that you're able to use him and be proficient with him regardless of buffs or nerfs (obvously barring meta-dependant champions like Vi or Swain, and huge nerfbat hits like Olaf's). Irelia was the 2nd champion I ever bought, I mained her in s2 and stopped playing her in s3 because she wasn't effective enough anymore. Meanwhile I played a bunch of Jax who had a pretty similar playstyle to me, enough that my skills transferred and I could work on him. Now he's been nerfed and strong enough early game champions have emerged to punish him, but I still know Irelia and she's doing rather well in soloQ, so I can keep doing what I've been doing. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On August 13 2014 07:05 Embir wrote: No one can be good at 120+ champions. Period. And what am I mad about? I am mad about constant nerfs, which do more harm then good - as I said in earlier post RIOT doesn't try to balance anything, only force metagame shifts, without looking at actual balance. This is problem. Oh, and sometimes fucks champions really bad this way (hi nerfed to the ground Kha'Zix from some patches ago). Riot is doing a pretty good job at nerfing all the best champions and even the best champions now aren't nearly as broken as the op ones were before. They released a lot of OP champs that made a lot more nerfs necessary though. You shouldn't whine, if want to pick and play only the most OP champions, and then complain when they get nerfed, and they whine riot sucking at balancing? Either you play the champs you like or you play what's OP. If you play the OP shit and keep switching then you have no right to complain, because by definition it was good balancing. Metagame shifts have a lot to do with balance, if you have OP assassins like khazix shit then people play safer AD likes cait and now people start to break out vayne and kog. | ||
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Embir
Poland567 Posts
On August 13 2014 07:12 Slayer91 wrote: Riot is doing a pretty good job at nerfing all the best champions and even the best champions now aren't nearly as broken as the op ones were before. They released a lot of OP champs that made a lot more nerfs necessary though. You shouldn't whine, if want to pick and play only the most OP champions, and then complain when they get nerfed, and they whine riot sucking at balancing? Either you play the champs you like or you play what's OP. If you play the OP shit and keep switching then you have no right to complain, because by definition it was good balancing. Metagame shifts have a lot to do with balance, if you have OP assassins like khazix shit then people play safer AD likes cait and now people start to break out vayne and kog. You don't understand. I am all for nerfs that will even champion selection field. Unfortunately it is not the case with Rioteers, they just can't balance, they can only nerf champions to the ground thus forcing metagame shifts. We don't have situation where 120 champs are equal, they dont even try to achieve this with champions changes. Now we have situation where roughly 20-30 champions are viable, rest are trash - suddenly nerfbat will hit next patch, current top picks will come down the toilet and another narrow closed group of viable picks wil be formed - repeat above with another patch. Look at recent nerfs for Kha Zix - I admit, he was really powerful, but constant patching didn't balanced him, it nerfed him to the ground. | ||
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Paljas
Germany6926 Posts
dunno, one of the better pro streams | ||
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
On August 13 2014 07:03 Goumindong wrote: Ori losing 6 AD is a pretty big nerf considering a lot of her early game power is tied up in auto attacks. It might not ruin her but its still pretty big good thing her autos hurt because of her passive and not her fucking 47 ad | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
FUUUUUUUCK WHY | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On August 13 2014 07:22 Nos- wrote: good thing her autos hurt because of her passive and not her fucking 47 ad Damage is damage yo. If they reduced her passive damage by 6 would you think it was suddenly a material nerf? | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On August 13 2014 07:21 Embir wrote: You don't understand. I am all for nerfs that will even champion selection field. Unfortunately it is not the case with Rioteers, they just can't balance, they can only nerf champions to the ground thus forcing metagame shifts. We don't have situation where 120 champs are equal, they dont even try to achieve this with champions changes. Now we have situation where roughly 20-30 champions are viable, rest are trash - suddenly nerfbat will hit next patch, current top picks will come down the toilet and another narrow closed group of viable picks wil be formed - repeat above with another patch. Look at recent nerfs for Kha Zix - I admit, he was really powerful, but constant patching didn't balanced him, it nerfed him to the ground. They don't really nerf them to the ground though, khazix is still better than like 50-60 other champions lol i think champ selection is better than it has ever been in most cases maybe top lane is a bit weird still but in solo q theres a lot less shit that is must ban that there has ever been | ||
GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On August 13 2014 07:21 Embir wrote: You don't understand. I am all for nerfs that will even champion selection field. Unfortunately it is not the case with Rioteers, they just can't balance, they can only nerf champions to the ground thus forcing metagame shifts. We don't have situation where 120 champs are equal, they dont even try to achieve this with champions changes. Now we have situation where roughly 20-30 champions are viable, rest are trash - suddenly nerfbat will hit next patch, current top picks will come down the toilet and another narrow closed group of viable picks wil be formed - repeat above with another patch. Look at recent nerfs for Kha Zix - I admit, he was really powerful, but constant patching didn't balanced him, it nerfed him to the ground. You sound like an intelligent and reasoned authority on the subject of game balance. Indeed, Kha'Zix was "nerfed to the ground" so hard he was only picked 3 times in 7 games in the EU LCS summer playoffs last week. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
in 5's as an assassin if that doesn't say enough LOL | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
if you want to be lazy just type Q que is some sort of abomination | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
Gnar - Zzzzzzz Kass - RIP Kog - Why kill AP kog while trying to nerf AD kog. Maokai - About where I expected the nerfs to be. His laning is still fine with the almost free Q, R usage isn't quite as free though. Ori - Was this REALLY necessary? She bullied melee's, but most of her ranged matchups were fine. Syndra - Why untargetable instead of invulnerable? | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On August 13 2014 08:01 JimmiC wrote: Everyone QQ's when there champ is not top pick status any more, doens't mean you can't play them in solo Que. If you only want to play champs considered top tier every game then sure you're going to have to learn new champs every patch, but if you just play the chapms you like. It's fine. And almost everything is playable in solo que so stop all the fucking crying! With me, regarding Ori, I just think she is a necessity for the pro scene so long as they don't want Lulu to be a strong midlaner. She seems to be the only stable champion of her "archetype" for the lane, and I think it is a good archtype to have. It doesn't seem (to me at least) that they are doing this nerf with the hopes that Lulu/Janna/Zyra are going to be good midlane utility mage options and be able to compete with her for that position. Instead it seems like they are saying "its her turn for an adjustment" without understanding that she currently is serving as one of the only competitive champions that fills an important niche (if you value team and positional diversity). That said, I think she is still good, and I will still play her lots. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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