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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
July 29 2014 07:09 GMT
#1621
On July 29 2014 11:51 Kinie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2014 11:34 zodde wrote:
On July 29 2014 11:28 Kinie wrote:
There better be a new consumable item in the shop called pie, seeing as this will be patch 4.13.

Either that, or Neo needs to call it the PIE patch.


Eh, pi = 3.14 tho?


I know pi = 3.14159, but in l33tspeak 413 would equate to pie.

what a poor save
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-29 07:21:13
July 29 2014 07:21 GMT
#1622
On July 29 2014 15:44 lastshadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2014 10:01 Ryuu314 wrote:
Not to mention that solo queue has merits of its own.

Scrimming is not the only way to practice. It's also been shown in the past that players who never play solo queue and only scrim tend to fall behind fast.



100% agree.
Although junglers should spend the majority of their time watchind vods/theory-crafting/playing single-player(if they need to), rather than doing soloq.

I think this learning method only works if you have a solid understanding of the game already, otherwise you just sit there watch streams/vods/replays and wonder what the hell is going on
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
July 29 2014 07:28 GMT
#1623
On July 29 2014 13:45 Goumindong wrote:
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On July 29 2014 11:43 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
In my opinion Morgana isn't even that strong, she's just annoying to play against if you main support because she negates what you do.


Its more that many supports don't want to play a high damage/poke champion (or don't know about j4) which is what is strongest against Morgana because they don't see them played in LCS. Zyra, and Lux do really well for instance but they're not played in competitive games because their pick potential isn't as strong.

Out of interest, why is J4 good vs Morgana?

Best Morgana counters have to be (IMO of course): Zyra, Annie, Karma and I'll chuck Vel'Koz in there too. All have poke and/or shield burst.

In theory Sona has potential vs Morgana too, but I guess that will be in limbo for a bit.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
July 29 2014 07:41 GMT
#1624
On July 29 2014 16:21 MooMooMugi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2014 15:44 lastshadow wrote:
On July 29 2014 10:01 Ryuu314 wrote:
Not to mention that solo queue has merits of its own.

Scrimming is not the only way to practice. It's also been shown in the past that players who never play solo queue and only scrim tend to fall behind fast.



100% agree.
Although junglers should spend the majority of their time watchind vods/theory-crafting/playing single-player(if they need to), rather than doing soloq.

I think this learning method only works if you have a solid understanding of the game already, otherwise you just sit there watch streams/vods/replays and wonder what the hell is going on


Well, the discussion is about LCS players.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
July 29 2014 08:23 GMT
#1625
On July 29 2014 16:28 JazzVortical wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2014 13:45 Goumindong wrote:
On July 29 2014 11:43 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
In my opinion Morgana isn't even that strong, she's just annoying to play against if you main support because she negates what you do.


Its more that many supports don't want to play a high damage/poke champion (or don't know about j4) which is what is strongest against Morgana because they don't see them played in LCS. Zyra, and Lux do really well for instance but they're not played in competitive games because their pick potential isn't as strong.

Out of interest, why is J4 good vs Morgana?

Best Morgana counters have to be (IMO of course): Zyra, Annie, Karma and I'll chuck Vel'Koz in there too. All have poke and/or shield burst.

In theory Sona has potential vs Morgana too, but I guess that will be in limbo for a bit.

probably bc all physical damage besides E i think, and a spammable shield/slow, and i guess if morg doesnt have flash he can trap her with cataclysm, also the armor shred
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 29 2014 08:43 GMT
#1626
On July 29 2014 10:55 cLutZ wrote:
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On July 29 2014 10:22 Alaric wrote:
Uh, you're the one being too generalistic on that one cLutz. It's like how Karthus fills a niche, or Nidalee fills a niche, but we were still seeing them everywhere at some point.
When the niche in question is popular, or even what defines the meta (as is the current "stall/clear" passive one), then its best champions become "standard", that's a normal thing. Leona isn't even being seen anymore because botlane moved away from the aggressive lane it was, and now the overall "stall, turtle, make picks if you can and otherwise counterinitiate rather than dive" is much better for champions with abilities such as both Thresh's and Braum's E and R. Nami to a lesser extent, because she isn't as tanky and her pick potential is weaker than Thresh's while her protection weaker than Braum's.

Lantern will always make Thresh relevant, sure, but still would you rather have him or Karma to escape from ganks, protect your guy who waveclears from 1500 range away, and focus on picks over teamfights, at the moment?

Except unlike my hypo, the support reality is that they are actually different niches. It is not like Lee and Elise who are basically the same niche, where you can argue they aren't explicitly op, just op do to this jungle meta. Thresh and Braum share little in common other than that they are less strong against Morgana than everyone else. But the majority of those everyone else beat Morgana, or do better against her than the hyper popular champions.


Doesn't change the fact that to "address" Morgana you say we should "fix" them, when I'm arguing that they are themselves but a part of a wider symptom.

Also Lulu support actually does pretty well against Morgana, especially early on, it's just that she's being hogged by the solo laners now.
Sona and Karma do well too but (surprise!) they aren't exactly good in the current meta, they simply don't have the impact necesary (Karma) or are teamfight champions reliant on a very long cooldown (Sona).
Zyra could fit the meta too but she gets blown up by a couple spells, contrary to Thresh/Braum (and Leona when people still tried going aggro). Note how something like Ziggs can both shape the supports needed (protection) while also weeding them out (2 Qs and an ult to kill a squishy).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-29 09:20:32
July 29 2014 09:20 GMT
#1627
these liss buffs look huge, inb4 she becomes perma ban
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
July 29 2014 09:36 GMT
#1628
On July 29 2014 16:28 JazzVortical wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2014 13:45 Goumindong wrote:
On July 29 2014 11:43 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
In my opinion Morgana isn't even that strong, she's just annoying to play against if you main support because she negates what you do.


Its more that many supports don't want to play a high damage/poke champion (or don't know about j4) which is what is strongest against Morgana because they don't see them played in LCS. Zyra, and Lux do really well for instance but they're not played in competitive games because their pick potential isn't as strong.

Out of interest, why is J4 good vs Morgana?

Best Morgana counters have to be (IMO of course): Zyra, Annie, Karma and I'll chuck Vel'Koz in there too. All have poke and/or shield burst.

In theory Sona has potential vs Morgana too, but I guess that will be in limbo for a bit.

Ignores Black Shield with ult. Can Flag-n-Drag while snared.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
July 29 2014 09:53 GMT
#1629
On July 29 2014 18:20 kongoline wrote:
these liss buffs look huge, inb4 she becomes perma ban

Maybe. She'd be really good in a rengar comp if you could pick up a zilean or kayle as well.

Doesn't change her weakness at sieging though, unlike a number of other picks.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
July 29 2014 10:37 GMT
#1630
This LMQ drama is crazy. Reminds me of SlayerS and Jessica.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Bam Lee
Profile Joined June 2012
2336 Posts
July 29 2014 10:58 GMT
#1631
On July 29 2014 15:42 lastshadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2014 13:45 Goumindong wrote:
On July 29 2014 11:43 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
In my opinion Morgana isn't even that strong, she's just annoying to play against if you main support because she negates what you do.


Its more that many supports don't want to play a high damage/poke champion (or don't know about j4) which is what is strongest against Morgana because they don't see them played in LCS. Zyra, and Lux do really well for instance but they're not played in competitive games because their pick potential isn't as strong.



jarven should never be played support, ever...
Morgana's 'best' counter is probably annie.
In order for a champion to become support it has to meet a ton of criteria or hit very specific criteria that other champions can't offer without compromising themselves.


Could you explain why you believe that annie is the best counter instead of another poke support champ?
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
July 29 2014 12:40 GMT
#1632
On July 29 2014 19:58 Bam Lee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2014 15:42 lastshadow wrote:
On July 29 2014 13:45 Goumindong wrote:
On July 29 2014 11:43 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
In my opinion Morgana isn't even that strong, she's just annoying to play against if you main support because she negates what you do.


Its more that many supports don't want to play a high damage/poke champion (or don't know about j4) which is what is strongest against Morgana because they don't see them played in LCS. Zyra, and Lux do really well for instance but they're not played in competitive games because their pick potential isn't as strong.



jarven should never be played support, ever...
Morgana's 'best' counter is probably annie.
In order for a champion to become support it has to meet a ton of criteria or hit very specific criteria that other champions can't offer without compromising themselves.


Could you explain why you believe that annie is the best counter instead of another poke support champ?

Annie is super strong vs Morgana since you can bait out her shield with Q (you can get the last stack with shield mid-air if Morg doesn't shield), timing shield vs Tibbers is also very very very hard. Additionally Annie's super high attack range makes it very easy to harass and bully around their botlane.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
July 29 2014 12:41 GMT
#1633
On July 29 2014 11:51 Kinie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2014 11:34 zodde wrote:
On July 29 2014 11:28 Kinie wrote:
There better be a new consumable item in the shop called pie, seeing as this will be patch 4.13.

Either that, or Neo needs to call it the PIE patch.


Eh, pi = 3.14 tho?


I know pi = 3.14159, but in l33tspeak 413 would equate to pie.



413=aie? I dont see how 4 would be p?
hi
The_Unseen
Profile Joined March 2011
France1923 Posts
July 29 2014 13:10 GMT
#1634
On July 29 2014 21:41 Sponkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2014 11:51 Kinie wrote:
On July 29 2014 11:34 zodde wrote:
On July 29 2014 11:28 Kinie wrote:
There better be a new consumable item in the shop called pie, seeing as this will be patch 4.13.

Either that, or Neo needs to call it the PIE patch.


Eh, pi = 3.14 tho?


I know pi = 3.14159, but in l33tspeak 413 would equate to pie.



413=aie? I dont see how 4 would be p?


Come on Sponkey, just let it slide, have mercy on the poor guy
I got five reasons for you to shut up
Arevall
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden1133 Posts
July 29 2014 13:23 GMT
#1635
On July 29 2014 22:10 The_Unseen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2014 21:41 Sponkz wrote:
On July 29 2014 11:51 Kinie wrote:
On July 29 2014 11:34 zodde wrote:
On July 29 2014 11:28 Kinie wrote:
There better be a new consumable item in the shop called pie, seeing as this will be patch 4.13.

Either that, or Neo needs to call it the PIE patch.


Eh, pi = 3.14 tho?


I know pi = 3.14159, but in l33tspeak 413 would equate to pie.



413=aie? I dont see how 4 would be p?


Come on Sponkey, just let it slide, have mercy on the poor guy


I'm surprised nobody called him out regarding the equal sign
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
July 29 2014 14:08 GMT
#1636
On July 29 2014 22:10 The_Unseen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2014 21:41 Sponkz wrote:
On July 29 2014 11:51 Kinie wrote:
On July 29 2014 11:34 zodde wrote:
On July 29 2014 11:28 Kinie wrote:
There better be a new consumable item in the shop called pie, seeing as this will be patch 4.13.

Either that, or Neo needs to call it the PIE patch.


Eh, pi = 3.14 tho?


I know pi = 3.14159, but in l33tspeak 413 would equate to pie.



413=aie? I dont see how 4 would be p?


Come on Sponkey, just let it slide, have mercy on the poor guy



There's only mercy for those without sins.
hi
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 29 2014 14:10 GMT
#1637
--- Nuked ---
The_Unseen
Profile Joined March 2011
France1923 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-29 14:47:15
July 29 2014 14:47 GMT
#1638
On July 29 2014 23:10 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2014 09:02 IMoperator wrote:
On July 29 2014 08:39 nafta wrote:
On July 29 2014 08:31 IMoperator wrote:
I'm not talking about specific strategies for each team though. I'm talking about in general, scrimming will help waaaaaaaay more than dicking around in solo queue and playing CS:GO will.

Like vayneauthority said, it just comes down to them getting money, not actually caring about being good.

And what exactly stops said guys from scrimming if they stream?Dig/tsm turned off streams and they can easily do it for next 6/7 hours which is enough.

The "just practice more nooblords" is retarded.Not everyone improves from just playing for 10+ hours.If it was that easy everyone would be doing it.

how do you get better at something, ANYTHING? you practice. Practicing more = getting better. It's really simple.



Untrue, it depends how you practice, Practice doesn't make perfect, it makes permanent!


And thus we learn the Germans have been lying all along
I got five reasons for you to shut up
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
July 29 2014 14:55 GMT
#1639
Holy shit this explanation by RiotLyte why low priority ques don't work is so bad, I haven't thought a rioter was so out of touch with his posting subject since they made that post 2 years ago on their reasoning behind 3 bans.
Carrilord has arrived.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-29 14:56:04
July 29 2014 14:55 GMT
#1640
On July 29 2014 23:10 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2014 09:02 IMoperator wrote:
On July 29 2014 08:39 nafta wrote:
On July 29 2014 08:31 IMoperator wrote:
I'm not talking about specific strategies for each team though. I'm talking about in general, scrimming will help waaaaaaaay more than dicking around in solo queue and playing CS:GO will.

Like vayneauthority said, it just comes down to them getting money, not actually caring about being good.

And what exactly stops said guys from scrimming if they stream?Dig/tsm turned off streams and they can easily do it for next 6/7 hours which is enough.

The "just practice more nooblords" is retarded.Not everyone improves from just playing for 10+ hours.If it was that easy everyone would be doing it.

how do you get better at something, ANYTHING? you practice. Practicing more = getting better. It's really simple.



Untrue, it depends how you practice, Practice doesn't make perfect, it makes permanent!


Probally the biggest misconception out there. Repeating the same flawed action is not going to make that action become flawless, it will always be flawed. Feel a lot of these teams are putting in crazy hours but aren't actually doing things productively or efficiently. There's no point practicing 13 hours a day if by doing so you retain only 5 hours of actual productive practice and the rest isn't processed or helping you.

On July 29 2014 23:55 Slusher wrote:
Holy shit this explanation by RiotLyte why low priority ques don't work is so bad, I haven't thought a rioter was so out of touch with his posting subject since they made that post 2 years ago on their reasoning behind 3 bans.


What do you expect. Anything involving Dota or Valve is completely shunned regardless of merit.
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